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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 01 2011 23:25 GMT
#1241
On July 02 2011 08:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 08:11 GMarshal wrote:
On July 02 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
No one trusted VE anyway GM...

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But people were listening to him, no one doubted his report on Visc.

So tell me, how does your argument that I am scum based on wanting to lynch the DT stand now? Does it look... weaker?

What are the arguments for me being scum now? Other than defending Drazek, which I will admit was a blunder on my part.

Again, I'm cool with confirm shooting me tomorrow, but at least this makes the majority of the arguments against me null and void.


My arguments remain the same man.

If you honestly believed that we should lynch the DT first, why not just actually push for it.

Note though, if you actually read through this day, I've both accused you with what I consider a pretty reasonable analysis, and then pointed out several points in your defense.

I am much more interested in what you think about the current lynch targets. Youngminii and Sinani201.

I was going to push for lynching the DT, but then the entire town jumped on me, and I was tied up with other things at the time, so I said "fuck it" and just left the thread. It was that or an angry insulting rant, while those are fun and everything, I didn't want to ruin all my work for a good town atmosphere by shitting up the thread. So I just wrote a furious post defending my stance, deleted it without posting and left to do other things. Was it the best attitude? No, but seeing how pissed I was (not just at you guys, at the universe in general), I wasn't going to be able to argue without risking getting modkilled for flaming. It wasn't worth it, so I said whatever, I'll take the lynch.

I prefer YM over Sinani201 at the moment, based on the fact that there's still a GF out here somewhere, and I am convinced he is in the veteran list, that list is slowly narrowing down, I'm actually pretty sure one of us three that vied for thread control early on is scum, and I know I'm not, so its you or YM. I don't have a strong case against you (yet, maybe, I haven't gone back and read your posts as a whole again) and YM seems to me to not be playing anything like XLII, so I think there is an above 50% chance he is scum. However what is the most current case on 201? I need to take a look at him again
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 01 2011 23:26 GMT
#1242
wait i'm just reading ~opZ~'s posts
are you claiming vigi then? x_x

and you're claiming the hit on VE? nice shot but
why haven't you shot GM yet?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 01 2011 23:28 GMT
#1243
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514

that's basically what we have on 201.

But I don't think it matters, YM is hanging tonight.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 23:28 GMT
#1244
Mr. Wiggles looks pretty bad based on his defense of VE. It's not possible for mafia to have shot VE, all mafia hits are accounted for (Sandroba, Chaos13, Varpulis). If a vigi killed one of those, just claim.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 01 2011 23:28 GMT
#1245
I think that was a joke syllo
Computer says mafia
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 01 2011 23:29 GMT
#1246
On July 02 2011 08:26 gtrsrs wrote:
wait i'm just reading ~opZ~'s posts
are you claiming vigi then? x_x

and you're claiming the hit on VE? nice shot but
why haven't you shot GM yet?

...I don't need to answer why I haven't shot GM yet. I didn't want to shoot GM. It was that simple. I'm not sold on him being scum. Now stop asking me about it. I've claimed VIG already. I've claimed hitting VE. I hit Scum with my hit. Are you telling me hitting Veteran is better than hitting Scum?

You people are ridiculous. I didn't waste me hit and you question me for it. The Comp Vig can hit him tomorrow.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 01 2011 23:30 GMT
#1247
no it wasn't a joke

i had forgotten that sandroba died "today" because he died yesterday, so i wasn't counting scum hits properly

the real-time mechanic mixed with the fact that we aren't ACTUALLY in real-time (48 hr days or w/e) is really fucking with me. that's the second time i've confused times in this game

it would have been a really good ploy by mafia if that's what had happened though!
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 01 2011 23:31 GMT
#1248
On July 02 2011 08:17 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 08:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On July 02 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote:
On July 02 2011 08:08 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On July 02 2011 08:02 Palmar wrote:
Looks like I actually missed a person on my potential leader chart day 1.

I really like your style syllogism.

And yes, it's totally insane. let's hear his report tomorrow.

The cool part? He _doesn't_ tell us who he is investigating and he doesn't tell us the results until we're into the 6h before the lynch period, so he can't have his mafia buddies off the investigated person before we can call him out on the lie.

But not tonight

Tonight there shall be someone else hanging.

I really would like you to stop posting....and possibly die. But I was more concerned in hitting 100% scum, not 70%....I think someone who can argue convincingly should take a look at you. Like YM, or Jackal. I can't.

But you've wanted us to wait for VE for a while, and wanted me to hit GM all day. Fuck that.


Go back to day 1 and check why VE was up for this whole thing anyway.

(what's that, was it my aggressive push and analysis towards him that got him to fake that roleclaim in the first place?)

But anyway, nice shot Opz.

Good point...I was with you too tho...He was spamming. It was bugging me. What's it to you?!

I just haven't seen you posting like you were at VE since then. Time draining my memory away. No one's been pressuring, and I've been away most of the day.

Atleast now, I think I'll be left alone about this lurking shit -_-....*afk next 32 hours*


Thanks for popping by and shooting him

And yes, I've totally left VE alone because it's my firm belief that forcing people to spin a web of lies is a great way of catching scum, thus we were okay with gambling on him staying alive.

You're either scum or a word that rhymes with it..

Anyways - Confirmed scums votes:
Viscera Eyes' - Drazerk - Kenpachi
Drazerk's - Sinani206 - Hiro Protagonist
Kenpachi's - Drazerk - GMarshal
DropBear' s - Sinani201 - Sinani206 - Drazerk

So far with the exception of Drazerk they all have voted for a confirmed scum.

If that is a strategy they agreed upon the remaining scum team lies within here:
Hiro Protagonist
Sinani206
sinani201
GMarshal
Palmar

You have to go look at who they all voted for and do some extrapolation from there. But they all become a common theme.
Life can only kill you once.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 01 2011 23:32 GMT
#1249
actually come to think of it

if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim

not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 01 2011 23:34 GMT
#1250
On July 02 2011 08:23 gtrsrs wrote:
mafia shot viscera
i'm calling it right now

also surprise surprise GMarshal pops back in from his real life dilemma to try to start a late bandwagon

my scumbell lost some of its confidence when i pushed for a lynch on Xedat on a scumtell i was 100% sure of and he flipped green

was hyaach's case really decent? really? i don't think so. all he did was highlight my short posts and go LOOK SCUM. i retain that i haven't done anything remotely scummy this game and all my actions have been pro-town

note that i'm not counter-accusing him. i don't think he's scum, just overeager townie

anyways i'm 100% sure GMarshal is scum, still. he's trying to prod me into insulting him so i get modkilled. it's exactly the same way aprudds got me riled up in SNMMIV and derailed the town. GMarshal was the moderator so he is just trying to repeat the same tactic. but where aprudds was just misreading something, GMarshal is doing it intentionally to derail town.

*yawn*


I'm not going to argue about the honesty of my claims about problems in real life, theres no point. I did just spend approximately the last 6 hours arguing with scum... I mean bureaucrats... over the phone, so I may be a touch temperamental. However I *do* have a few minutes now I can dedicate to mafia now, and I decided I would. You have my most *profound* apologies for trying to play in a game I said I would play in, next time I will fit my schedule around your rigorous demands of not being called out for doing nothing for the town.

If I wanted to bait you, I'd have you raging by now, but gentlemen don't try to get other people modkilled, and I consider myself a gentleman

Please, for my amusement, point out a "pro-town" action you have made. Any such action will do.

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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
July 01 2011 23:35 GMT
#1251
On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote:
actually come to think of it

if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim

not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case

LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics:

Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 01 2011 23:36 GMT
#1252
This game has taught me not to presume the scum team isn't awful. It's amazing that they managed to get two of their players on the main wagons on day 1 and then pulled a gambit which basically relied on there being only 1 DT in a 30 player game. Further, they apparently didn't even bother checking if the DT claim and the "guilty check" made any sense in the context of the thread.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 01 2011 23:37 GMT
#1253
On July 02 2011 08:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote:
actually come to think of it

if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim

not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case

LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics:

Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member?


With 5 hits out there its *blatantly* obvious you are faking Opz. I mean you must be the scum aligned vigilante, or the serial killer, trying to gain town cred. ~Opz just lowered the scum KP by one, if he is mafia then he has balls of steel.

That is all.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 01 2011 23:38 GMT
#1254
On July 02 2011 08:37 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 08:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote:
actually come to think of it

if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim

not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case

LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics:

Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member?


With 5 hits out there its *blatantly* obvious you are faking Opz. I mean you must be the scum aligned vigilante, or the serial killer, trying to gain town cred. ~Opz just lowered the scum KP by one, if he is mafia then he has balls of steel.

That is all.


lol
Computer says mafia
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 01 2011 23:40 GMT
#1255
I've been about as useful as tits on a boar this game.

Sorry guys, but it's Canada Day, and I just got home to finish reading this thread and I'm going out again. GJ to our mafia killers and all that.

Voting youngminii for now, Wiggles and GMarshal are next candidates for me, but of course we have plans for GMarshal and so on. Any of them could be godfather, I'd rank them YM-GM-Wiggles in terms of likeliness in my head at this point.

I fully expect to be on the lurker list again tomorrow... apologies to the players and hosts for my poor activity.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 01 2011 23:41 GMT
#1256
On July 02 2011 08:36 syllogism wrote:
This game has taught me not to presume the scum team isn't awful. It's amazing that they managed to get two of their players on the main wagons on day 1 and then pulled a gambit which basically relied on there being only 1 DT in a 30 player game. Further, they apparently didn't even bother checking if the DT claim and the "guilty check" made any sense in the context of the thread.

That's the reason I don't see GM or Wiggles as scum. Also the main reason I see our self proclaimed town father as scum.
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 01 2011 23:44 GMT
#1257
On July 02 2011 08:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 08:36 syllogism wrote:
This game has taught me not to presume the scum team isn't awful. It's amazing that they managed to get two of their players on the main wagons on day 1 and then pulled a gambit which basically relied on there being only 1 DT in a 30 player game. Further, they apparently didn't even bother checking if the DT claim and the "guilty check" made any sense in the context of the thread.

That's the reason I don't see GM or Wiggles as scum. Also the main reason I see our self proclaimed town father as scum.


Hi Jackal

It's Brother Leader and Guide of the Town btw. Don't fuck up my title.
Computer says mafia
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
July 01 2011 23:45 GMT
#1258
There are 3mafia kills today.
DropBear was killed by a vig
Kenpachi died to Varp's bomb.
Varp died (2nd mafia kill)
Lania died to Lurker list bomb.
Sandroba died (first mafia kill)\
Chaos13 (3rd mafia kill)
Thailand is my new obsession
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 01 2011 23:46 GMT
#1259
Rofl, this game is ridiculous!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 01 2011 23:53 GMT
#1260
Also

On June 30 2011 10:20 youngminii wrote:
Also, huge /facepalm on town for forcing a DT roleclaim.

Did you seriously think VisceraEyes was playing scummy? Think very carefully and reflect upon these words:

He is not the one that played badly. YOU are.


ances*
Computer says mafia
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