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On July 01 2011 03:23 Lanaia wrote:Let me preface this post by saying Kurumi is my favourite for the post with the Hello Kitty picture. <3 Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 01:19 chaos13 wrote:On July 01 2011 00:37 GMarshal wrote:
I approve. However I would have liked for that bullet to have hit me instead. Why, because you're just a goon? Even if you are a veteran and taking a hit would confirm you, it's better to kill a mafia than confirm a townie. You're not making any sense to me GM. You're playing a more pro-town game than almost anyone, and yet every now and then you post something like this that just doesn't make sense. However, I doubt a mafia would call a vigi shot to them. I agree with chaos13 here. GM's play is making my head spin because of this play of his. I don't think he should have said anything and should have waited until a vig hit, and then possibly said something? I don't know, but I know I don't like what he's done here. And I don't like how he's constantly talking about it. It feels really damn wifom-y to me. I'm not going to give a list of people I think should be vigged or protected. Those who should be protected are probably obvious. I have this crazy sensation that sinasi206 or however you spell it is scum. I will have to reread him in isolation though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10062251
I don't care if he's acted pro-town. GM is way too good at this game to do what I described in this short analysis.
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Okay, changed my mind. I'll wait to see how supersoft plays.
On July 01 2011 03:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 03:23 Lanaia wrote:Let me preface this post by saying Kurumi is my favourite for the post with the Hello Kitty picture. <3 On July 01 2011 01:19 chaos13 wrote:On July 01 2011 00:37 GMarshal wrote:
I approve. However I would have liked for that bullet to have hit me instead. Why, because you're just a goon? Even if you are a veteran and taking a hit would confirm you, it's better to kill a mafia than confirm a townie. You're not making any sense to me GM. You're playing a more pro-town game than almost anyone, and yet every now and then you post something like this that just doesn't make sense. However, I doubt a mafia would call a vigi shot to them. I agree with chaos13 here. GM's play is making my head spin because of this play of his. I don't think he should have said anything and should have waited until a vig hit, and then possibly said something? I don't know, but I know I don't like what he's done here. And I don't like how he's constantly talking about it. It feels really damn wifom-y to me. I'm not going to give a list of people I think should be vigged or protected. Those who should be protected are probably obvious. I have this crazy sensation that sinasi206 or however you spell it is scum. I will have to reread him in isolation though. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10062251I don't care if he's acted pro-town. GM is way too good at this game to do what I described in this short analysis.
I never said I still think he's town.
I read your post and I agree with it. Especially the toe-dipping analogy. I feel it really fits.
As you've said, I also think he should be shot, but it really bothers me that he's actively seeking it out. If he isn't shot today, I'll probably vote for him.
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On July 01 2011 03:39 Lanaia wrote:Okay, changed my mind. I'll wait to see how supersoft plays. Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 03:33 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 03:23 Lanaia wrote:Let me preface this post by saying Kurumi is my favourite for the post with the Hello Kitty picture. <3 On July 01 2011 01:19 chaos13 wrote:On July 01 2011 00:37 GMarshal wrote:
I approve. However I would have liked for that bullet to have hit me instead. Why, because you're just a goon? Even if you are a veteran and taking a hit would confirm you, it's better to kill a mafia than confirm a townie. You're not making any sense to me GM. You're playing a more pro-town game than almost anyone, and yet every now and then you post something like this that just doesn't make sense. However, I doubt a mafia would call a vigi shot to them. I agree with chaos13 here. GM's play is making my head spin because of this play of his. I don't think he should have said anything and should have waited until a vig hit, and then possibly said something? I don't know, but I know I don't like what he's done here. And I don't like how he's constantly talking about it. It feels really damn wifom-y to me. I'm not going to give a list of people I think should be vigged or protected. Those who should be protected are probably obvious. I have this crazy sensation that sinasi206 or however you spell it is scum. I will have to reread him in isolation though. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10062251I don't care if he's acted pro-town. GM is way too good at this game to do what I described in this short analysis. I never said I still think he's town. I read your post and I agree with it. Especially the toe-dipping analogy. I feel it really fits. As you've said, I also think he should be shot, but it really bothers me that he's actively seeking it out. If he isn't shot today, I'll probably vote for him.
If he doesn't get shot then yes, I think he should hang.
Whatever happens, GM needs to die.
I was hoping a one-shot vigi would realize the urgency of shooting him, and then confirming it if GM is a veteran.
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On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him.
Do an analysis of me plz!!!
PRETTY PLZ!!!!
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On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him.
About who TAA checked, I don't think it was Drazerk. The reason for this is that TAA made a post somewhere, saying that if GM were mafia he is the GF, and also, importantly, that DTs should check Drazerk.
This is important, because a DT who had just checked and confirmed someone as scum would push harder for their lynch, not ask for other detectives to waste a check on him.
He also asks for someone to shoot GM in the same post.
So, what I'm thinking is that he checked GM, who returned vet, but still thought his play was scummy enough for him to be mafia. So, he kept pushing for him, and starting calling him the GF, while asking for a shot on him, which would incidentally prove or disprove him to be town, similar to the situation we're in now.
This make sense?
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I'm also going to stick my vote on GM for now, until he gets shot and can prove his alignment. Will change then.
##Vote: GMarshal
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hey guys
first of all i agree with mr. wiggles' most recent posts
TAA didn't check draz, he def checked GM and wanted viscera to check draz (i expanded on that a couple pages ago)
also,
my mom just got taken to the emergency room
i'm gonna go visit her there, i don't know how long i'll be. hopefully back tonight, probably back tomorrow. if she ends up staying at the hospital longer than a day i'll ask for a sub probably
until then, since he hasn't been shot yet
##vote: GMarshal
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On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Do an analysis of me plz!!!
PRETTY PLZ!!!!
Don't ruin my fun ~OpZ~. It's much more fun to see how the others on that list react to my FoS than you asking me for an analysis.
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hi, i am in for Sinani206 :-)
i'll read the thread and contribute later.
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On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!!
This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target.
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On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target.
That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it.
Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit.
My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else.
I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar.
I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always.
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On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target. That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always.
sry. Clarity.
GM should of just claimed he was vig hit at the start of the game and tried to draw the scum hit. But he's apparently a nub vet. Sad face.
And I dunno if I believe VE yet. I suppose we should wait til the 6 hours and make him state Varpulis' role....And Honestly....I don't care how varpulis feels about being role claimed for by VE. Varp should only verify if VE is right, and not state whether or not he likes the idea of his role being publicly said by someone else. If he says he is okay with it, he is likely just a townie and makes VE's possible guess that much easier.
Although if he was MH, or medic, I see the problem.....@_@ Where's a bus drivet when you need one?
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On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target. That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always.
I don't trust YM, read up and see I suggested him for a DT check.
And once again, I want to kill GMarshal. I want him dead and I stand by that notion. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But I outlined my reasons quite clearly in my analysis of his actions around and after the Drazerk lynch.
But sure, you can come guns blazing at me. I'm at my best when under heavy pressure, that's why I'm putting myself in the driver's seat for this town.
If you think Youngminii is scum, why don't you actually do something useful and try to prove to the rest of us he's scum? Same thing if you think I am scum. The first part of the Day should be all about figuring out who we are going after.
If YM is scum, and you called it, but never got even close to getting him lynched, that doesn't make you right, it simply makes you a bad townie.
Being right and being smart is useless if you can't actually turn that knowledge into something.
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On July 01 2011 04:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target. That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always. I don't trust YM, read up and see I suggested him for a DT check. And once again, I want to kill GMarshal. I want him dead and I stand by that notion. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But I outlined my reasons quite clearly in my analysis of his actions around and after the Drazerk lynch. But sure, you can come guns blazing at me. I'm at my best when under heavy pressure, that's why I'm putting myself in the driver's seat for this town. If you think Youngminii is scum, why don't you actually do something useful and try to prove to the rest of us he's scum? Same thing if you think I am scum. The first part of the Day should be all about figuring out who we are going after. If YM is scum, and you called it, but never got even close to getting him lynched, that doesn't make you right, it simply makes you a bad townie. Being right and being smart is useless if you can't actually turn that knowledge into something.
Yes, yes...It's the lack of tact and sadly my failure of communicating that give me problems. I suck at pressing matters. Last game I had BC pegged from day 1, and shraft too. I posted about shraft even, but I didn't keep going, it was ignored by many.
And my problem with YM is that I ALWAYS THINK HE IS SCUM. Every time he posts I want to find him and strangle him.
And if you are mafia, of course you would want to kill GMarshal.
I don't post a lot, I work 7 to 3 almost every day. The post I made earlier, saying to vote for him if you think he's scum? I was at work on my break when I posted it. I'm sorry it wasn't lengthy. If a vig would like to lurker hit me, he better do it today. I told you all I thought the game would start a few days further out, and that my activity would increase afterward.
Kenpachi, where art thou? Lemme know if you're around. You too Jackal.
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I'm cool with confirming or denying Viscera's check.
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GM your play since you claimed vet has been way too anti-town to not consider you as a lynch. You've been creating so much damned confusion in this thread plus you're fattening it up with all this spammy "SHOOT ME NAOW" nonsense instead of doing what every pro-town player should: HUNTING SCUM. Mix that with the fact that the logic you're using is poor.
"Okay guys I'm veteran vigi shoot me now and claim so that Mafia have a free blue-kill."
You're calling so much attention to yourself by forcing Town discussion on you instead of hunting.
If you are scum you're pulling a risky move here, but I think it's a risk that GM is willing to take.
Of course, anyone with a gun who has common sense wouldn't point it at a person BEGGING to be shot. You're using this tactic so that you can go back and say "Look guys, why would any scum ask to be vigi'd?"
You're doing more damage to Town than good, and I don't buy this bullshit act of yours.
I would also like to bring this to attention:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=46#907
WTF is up with this list YM ?? You've listed AT LEAST 7 people on there as scum yet you provide next to no explanation. For example, how the hell am I "newbie or scummy"?
Make up your fucking mind. As far as I can tell, all you did was create a list and throw random names on there, so if one of them *happen* to flip scum you can quote yourself and say "LOOK GUYS I TOLD YOU!!!!"
I also find your indecisiveness really scummy as well. All this "Maybe scum Maybe town" BS isn't helping at all.
With that said, if you find any of my behavior scummy I dare you to bring a case against me.
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EBWOP: I might as well say it now since I'm pretty positive someone's going to bring it up in the future.
The hidden reason why I switched to VE was because I thought I saw a blue hint from Palmar.
Sadly I was wrong 
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On July 01 2011 05:13 Cthsazsa wrote:EBWOP: I might as well say it now since I'm pretty positive someone's going to bring it up in the future. The hidden reason why I switched to VE was because I thought I saw a blue hint from Palmar. Sadly I was wrong
I'm not the subtle kind of guy, I usually say things quite straight out.
Never look for breadcrumbs, clues or hints in my posts. I will not use those unless I have a really good reason to.
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Hiro Protagonist:
This is someone who's mostly fallen off the radar, except for the last couple pages, and who actually had a fair bit of pressure on him day 1, making the fact he's been mostly forgotten a little weird.
He basically starts day 1 off by agreeing with GM and parroting the shoot lurkers sentiment.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
His next contribution is a list, which is basically a non-contribution, as anyone who's played more than a couple games here is capable of making one. As well, there is no reasoning with it, just names.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, chaos, he is a list:
GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:
DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis
Everyone else I have no experience playing with.
GM calls him out on his posting of rehashed ideas, and here is his defense:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 04:55 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:43 GMarshal wrote:He only has 7 posts, but I'll only include those that successfully brought something new to the table to discuss. They are all in the spoiler + Show Spoiler +That was easy. Each and every one of his posts masquerades as having content, without really including anything worthwhile. It takes no stances and interestingly enough brings up mild opposition to LSB's plan. This isn't necessarily damning, but I want hiro to start taking definite stances. I want so see which lynch he would advocate today, and what he thinks about pretty much everything. This "posting just to get by" is bad for the town, and he isn't going to get away with it. Yes this case is not extremely solid, but the PBP I originally wrote was all "no content" and "fluff" comments, which would have made my case longer than necessary for clarity, in essence hiro needs to give us more so we can actually assess his alignment, as reading over his posts reveals nothing. Hi Gmarshal! So you think my posts so far have no content? fluff? putting a pressure vote on me? OK, I can dig that. My defense is an easy one: everyone of my first 7 post where in the first 2 hours of the game, in which I: * encourage town not to lurk, not to spam, or there will be consequences.* made a list of players that are vets and should be put under scrutiny (thats why KenP was on it, and I put mine up before yours GM, but yours was better written i must say). How does one be pro-town in the beginning of the game? why, by creating a good town atmosphere! I did just that. So did you. Your opening post was just what I wanted to say, but you said it first, so I just agreed with you. Then I went to bed, woke up, and went to work. now I am here again, and I will contribute like a good townie should: scum hunting. I have some leads(*cough Syllogism *cough), and I will make a post about it in a bit. keep your votes on me if you think I wont follow through ^__^
Basically plays up his posts as doing something more than they were. I also laughed at the bolded bit as again, it is essentially echoing GM's first post in the thread. Also note that Hiro promises scum-hunting from himself. Notes a suspicion of syllogism with no reasoning.
Now, this is a little funny:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 07:42 hiro protagonist wrote:
##Vote syllogism
You still have not given me a reason not to vote for you. I am willing to believe you when you say all of your posts are not fluff and are pro-town, but none of your posts tells me who you think are scum, or what your opinion on anyone is. time for you to step up. Tell me who YOU think is scum. Give opinions on other lynch candidates. Do this, and I will move my vote off you. On June 29 2011 08:03 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town. He hasn't stuck his neck out on anything or given an opinion. His post so far are like the first level of a video game: tutorials. Dont get me wrong, helping out the newer players is fine (I would consider myself a newer player) but where half way though day 1, and its time to move on to finding scum. He has not done that.
He starts to press syllo pretty hard, but now it's not because he's scum. So, somewhere between here and his last couple posts, he changes his mind on syllo from being scummy, to just posting pro-town and not giving opinions. Also note the delicious irony in his reasons for voting syllo. He calls him out for not giving concrete opinions on anything, while posting generic town advice, which is actually a good description for Hiro's own posting up until that point. Again, he avoids saying that he thinks syllo is scum anymore, while saying that town needs to find scum, which apparently he has not done either.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 08:12 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 08:09 aprudds wrote:On June 29 2011 08:05 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 29 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote:
So let's see Hiro, 3 hours ago you made a post promising you had some "leads" and would make a case on me (when in fact, there was already a bad case/wagon which you never improved) and go "scum hunting". Now 3 hours later you still haven't made a case, jump on the said stupid and easy wagon, vote for me citing my lack of opinions so far being your sole reason despite this being your first complete non-fluff post. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy?
Around 15 people haven't even voted yet and most of them haven't expressed any suspicion yet. See the problem? no problem, glad your here. who do you think is scum? Wouldn't the proper response here be to express your own thoughts instead of deflecting it to someone else? Don't you think not even attempting to say anything just makes you look like a scummy fool? My whole reason for voting for him is so I could get an opinion off of him. Why else would I ask?
Syllo actually calls out Hiro for his contradictory posting, and instead of addressing it, he just calls out syllo some more. Then, when asked to give his own opinions again, he deflects it by saying he wants to get an opinion from syllo.
After this, syllo gives some kind of opinion, and Hiro takes his vote off very easily, before reading up on TAA's analysis and hopping on Drazerk, again with no reasoning of his own, just agreement with what's been posted. After page 28, he's completely disappeared, which leaves me surprised for why he's not on the lurker list.
So to sum up:
- Parrots the ideas of others in the thread while adding nothing new
- Posts with little content and when called out, plays them up to be something more than they are
- Promises scum-hunting and never follows through
- Goes from a weird "I think Syllo is scum" to "Syllo isn't posting content" to "I just want his opinion", when successively called out on his hypocritical posting and pressure
- Pressures Syllo for his opinions and infers he is scummy from not posting any, while refusing to post any himself
- Hops on the Drazerk analysis easily (again with no reasoning of his own) and disappears
Verdict: Probable Scum
He's disappeared since page 28, so I'm hesitant to actually take much action at this point. If he ever shows up again, I'd like to see his defense and get his opinions, or else we can just shoot him when he shows up on the lurker list Day 3, if he isn't modkilled. I think he's likely to flip scum, but I wouldn't waste a lynch or vig shot on someone who hasn't posted for so long.
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