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On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
@GM
At any rate, 201 is correct, Palmar DID /out before the game started. He'll either be Mod-killed or replaced before Day 2, I totally forgot.
Aside from adding LSB to the vet list, which Wiggles already suggested, I have no problems with your list. :D
NOW
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying?
Chaos13 asked for it as a reference for later in the game, and I decided it could be used for some discussion as well, but I think its best saved as a tool for later in the game/ a resource for newer players. Like medics who have no idea who is who may want to glance at it and pick from the vets to protect. It also puts pressure on us "vets" to post more/be active as if we don't *everyone* will know something is off. It should also make the mafia hesitant to fire into the top of the list, as its will put more pressure on the players there, and theres probably at least two mafia there.
However I would wait for near the end of day 2 to look at it again, check who is left alive there, go over their posts and see what they are actually pushing. If only 2-3 are left then take a really, really close look at what their goals and contributions are.
Its a little bit of wifom for the mafia, a resource for new players and a tool for later in the game. For now we should probably talk about something else, unless there is something about it in particular you want to talk about.
So, which of the active posters so far strikes you as disrupting the town the most ? if you can't come up with one, which has the most vacuous/fluffy posts?
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@GM Okay, now you are just being silly. Considering this setup you know mafia won't lurk, because lurkers are at an extreme dissavantage regarding everything. If new mafia players lurk, I'm all fine and dandy with it, since our DTs can quickly confirm/nail them. They are unlikely to be chosen GF AND if I read the op correctly only one GF is possible this game.
Despite me saying VIGS DO NOT SHOOT LURKERS UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM I'm sure people will do it and I guarantee you they will all flip town. Do not ecourage them. You are border line pushing mafia objetives now.
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EVENT!
LSB has been found shot in the face with a knife.
LSB the townie has died.
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I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.
Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people.
I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but....
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Sorry, I couldn't help but lol. That was so random.
Vigi hit or mafia?
I think if it was scum, they might as well have used all KP and killed 3 people?
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ebwop: Never mind, I doubt it was vigi. They only have one bullet, and the compulsive vigi's cant shoot until Day 2.
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LOLWUT
That was completely unexpected, I've never played a nightless game before. I'm going to assume that it was a scum hit?
The mafia were clearly trying to blue snipe and LSB seemed as if he was creating a plan. This leads me to believe the scum misinterpreted this as a Vet (no not experienced player, I mean the actual role) trying to make a good plan/trap to catch scum. My guess? The mafia roleblocked him and killed him hoping he was a Vet or at least a blue.
If the above is true, then this is a best case scenario for us as it means no other blue role will be roleblocked today.
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Also, this means the medic should wait until the very end of this day, but not tomorrow, to save someone. Let me illustrate:
Since someone is already dead, your save today won't count for jack. If you save someone 1 minute (okay you can be a little more relaxed on this lol) before the end of the day, then your save will overlap to tomorrow and you get to save another person as soon as your first save expires.
Catch my drift?
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On June 28 2011 15:33 sandroba wrote:
@GM Okay, now you are just being silly. Considering this setup you know mafia won't lurk, because lurkers are at an extreme dissavantage regarding everything. If new mafia players lurk, I'm all fine and dandy with it, since our DTs can quickly confirm/nail them. They are unlikely to be chosen GF AND if I read the op correctly only one GF is possible this game.
Despite me saying VIGS DO NOT SHOOT LURKERS UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM I'm sure people will do it and I guarantee you they will all flip town. Do not ecourage them. You are border line pushing mafia objetives now.
All lurkers are traitors. They are lynch fodder for the mafia. I don't give a damn if they flip green, red or purple, they compromise the ability of the town to win. If you are on the lurker list you deserve to die. I will not allow traitors to hold our victory hostage. I'd much rather be at lylo with no lurkers than not at lylo with 25% of the town being inactive.
I'm actually of the opinion that DTs shouldn't be using lurker checks, lurkers should just be exterminated plain and simple. This transcends this game, I'm sick and tired of town lurking and screwing me over. I'm establishing good meta for all the other games.
You may disagree with me, but I predict that DT checks confirming lurkers is only going to encourage the lurkers to lurk more, I mean what incentive does a bored, confirmed townie have to contribute?
Its not a mafia objective, its a preventive measure. When do we decide that the lurkers have "become a problem"? When we hit lylo and its already to late? Or when a Mafia fakeclaims a check on one of them at lylo and wins?
I know you may disagree with me, but after seeing the town get raped in XLII I'm simply unwilling to show tolerance to lurkers. I want to shoot them so our DTs can actually assess *threats* with their checks.
Its a controversial position, and I expect to take flack for it, but we have a bunch of lurker exclusive KP, we may as well use it. If I'm successful then the Lurker List will always be empty and there won't be an issue.
Again, let me emphasize, if you say all lurkers are probably town, mafia will make sure to have at least one lurker. The rest of the lurkers are lynch fodder for any charismatic mafia who needs a mislynch. "worst" case scenario for mafia a dt has to claim to avoid a mislynch, or the lynch pusher falls under mild suspicion.
Also I don't expect we have enough KP to *actually* exterminate the lurkers, I just want to terrorize the lurkers into being active contributing members.
Feel free to disagree, but I feel like the mafia *want* the lurkers spared, so they can mislynch later. I for one have no issue killing them, and will shed no tears.
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 at LSB dying
He was obviously town the moment he started proposing a plan to abuse dt roles. Scum would not usually be that ballsy.
I won't conjecture as to what other reasons the mafia might have for killing him.
And YM assuming RB is a far stretch. Just assume that the RB is still out there, any further conjecture is wifom
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On June 28 2011 15:49 youngminii wrote:
Also, this means the medic should wait until the very end of this day, but not tomorrow, to save someone. Let me illustrate:
Since someone is already dead, your save today won't count for jack. If you save someone 1 minute (okay you can be a little more relaxed on this lol) before the end of the day, then your save will overlap to tomorrow and you get to save another person as soon as your first save expires.
Catch my drift?
Scratch this, I was operating under the assumption that mafia only had 1KP. I don't know why, complete fail by me.
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I just noticed I used disagree like 4-5 times in my last post.
3 am is such a nice time of day 
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I almost said something about that GM, as you seem like the type to diversify your vocabulary.
Who do YOU feel is disrupting town so far?
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/confirm, will read when home from school
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OK, I'm very convinced GM is scum right now. The fact that LSB died is plain and simple. The moment he proposed his plan he was confirmed town, as no mafia would ever propose a plan like that.
The reason I think he is mafia is because
1) He ninja'ed me and identified it, and as such we know he is capable of doing it (I don't think any other player realise this yet, amongst the active)
2) He claimed to have thought of the plan, but as scum he obviously did not mention it until LSB did.
3) He's pushing vigs to shoot lurkers, when clearly mafia won't be there.
4) YM is posting completely anti-town stuff about blues. Mafia still has 2 kp left so LOL at medics not protecting people today. Also RB doesn't do shit to vigilante. The fact that GM did not catch on this can only mean 1 of the 2: YM is also scum with GM or YM is tripping hard and GM knows he's town and must maintain his position earlier of YM being town to not rise any suspicion. Either way GM is scum.
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United States22154 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:06 VisceraEyes wrote:I almost said something about that GM, as you seem like the type to diversify your vocabulary. Who do YOU feel is disrupting town so far?
Right now, I don't feel like anyone is disrupting per-se, YM's many fingers seem to have calmed down, which were something I felt was disruptive. However I have yet to notice anyone pushing a scum agenda, at least as far as active disruption goes.
Fluffyness wise hiro's post on lurkers strikes me as being remarkably similar to mine.
I am now going to sleep ^_^
I would take it as the essence of kindness if the mafia would be so considerate as to at least wait till I get up tomorrow to kill me.
Oh, and at all the people who have yet to post:
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@Sandroba
GM fully admits to subscribing to a controversial stance that he'll catch flack for. Don't you think he'd be toning it down a bit on the lurker-hunt if he were scum?
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EBWOP: by vigilante I mean veteran
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@Visc Not really, that's the only way he can remain looking good while pushing mafia objectives.
DTs not using their lurker check and Vigs shooting into lurkers right away? Yeah right.
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I mean, the thing is he's right in theory. They have to trade in their 1 DT check for their 2 lurker checks unless I'm mistaken. That's 1 less DT check town has in its arsenal, right?
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