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I was actually planning to wait until day, but I realize now what is going on here. I can fulfill all of amber's questions until daybreak I suppose.
Note: I'll refer to ILJ as myself or ILJ interchangeably since we're the same person really
1. Nothing to say here -- I claim townie presumably because I feel that this check confirms me as such. It's pretty common, "I'm town-aligned, here's why"
2. Nope, I'm afraid that is indeed what my role does. It is indeed called Forensic Scientist, and I indeed check the roles and alignments of dead people. I'm essentially the townie opposite of Mafia Janitor. With a quick google search, FS doesn't seem to be that common of a role name. This reminds me of my railing on citi.zen in WaW1 mafia for claiming PGO "wrongly". He must be amused by what's happening now, I'm sure. Karma, you could call it.
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Lie #1 -- This is indeed odd. Let me explain, as ILJ did a shitty job claiming he gets 'lucky'. Getting 'lucky' is kind of true. Both the Janitor and I deal with the 'graveyard', aka the collection of dead people. If a body is moved out of the graveyard, we both will know that. This body move is temporary as I confirmed when checking Scamp some nights later. It has nothing to do with the night action I decide to do, it's just a by-product of my role: I know if anything weird happens to dead people.
Lie #2 -- Okay. So not really a lie then, just an unconfirmable statement?
Lie #3 -- You're right, I basically check roles and alignments of dead people. Check in my Lie #1 rebuttal for how the 'graveyard' thing works.
Lie #4 -- Not sure what you're implying here? Either way I checked Scamp later as I said and he flipped VT
Lie #5 -- Once again I'm not a watcher. And that last concern is very much true. In fact it partially led me to have the suspicion of citi.zen that I do now. Note that he claimed all revelations after night 2 will be revealed, while they actually started on night 2 -- after the Janitor has died. A good claim indeed, but perhaps he's not the one that's revealing roles. Perhaps the person that's hiding roles is dead.
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Lie #6 -- I was told Scamp's body is missing -- that's it. Again, see Lie #1 for an explanation of the 'graveyard'.
I did not check someone on Night 0, ILJ is wrong. This role checks during the day, he must have messed up and that sure as fuck isn't helping my case. I suppose he meant he checked someone that died during night 0. Later ILJ claimed that he checks during the day as well; a dumb contradiction to make on purpose. RoL surely isn't capable of being a mastermind, let's be real. Citi.zen on the other hand...
Lie #7 -- No sir, I'm afraid that is indeed my role, and GGQ is indeed a Busy Paramedic. It's your word against mine on what my role does, and I'm afraid my word holds more weight. Again I'm having flashbacks of WaW1 and me arguing with citizen over "PGO", heh. I think he's thoroughly amused by how this is turning out. Of course in that scenario my argument was better, because PGO is a common enough role to have a standard meaning, whereas FS doesn't seem to be.
Lie #8 -- Yes he's a Janitor. I don't really see a contradiction here, and the rest is your suspicions.
5.
Indeed I did know Scamp's body was missing, again see Lie #1 for the explanation of the 'graveyard'.
Any further questions? Anything I unanswered in an unsatisfactory way? I'd be happy to answer anything else.
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Oh Palmar
You can't be mafia can you? You soft-claim your role on day 2, before any mafia has died. You start the wagon on sandroba, and persist in it. Much unlike Radfield/Citi.zen, you're actually doing shit this game. And you decide to open up a 3 person lylo situation by hammering out a vote -- not at all mafia like.
Compared to radfield/citizen who is only "confirmed" because of his claim -- a dodgy claim as I pointed out. Can't you just consider for a moment, the reason roles are being revealed is not because of him living, but because of RoL dying?
Remember how RoL took a hit from LSB's mimic? Mafia must have a scum doc, n'est pas?
When people were bitching about Chezinu, and you brought up the wagon on sandroba, which started to gain traction, what did citizen propose?
On July 05 2011 08:09 citi.zen wrote:
How about we lynch Chez and shoot Sandroba? They are the two scummiest players left + a mafia pairing that makes sense. In a game without a RB there would pretty much have to be a GF and Chez is a great candidate. I will not forgive myself if I give up on him!
Shoot sandroba indeed. With a scumdoc, not really a big threat and paints suspicion on any vigilante claiming to make the hit. Of course after you and kurumi (confirmed town) completely shut him down, he changes his tone.
Is there really no shred of doubt in you whatsoever?
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alright then I give up, unless amber sees anything in my argument and gets palmar to reconsider.
gg wp mafia
nostradamus powerz:
amber dies
palmar hammers me
citizen follows up
8.05pm game is over
citizen flips scum, probably doc
come at me mafias.
T-3.5 hours
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You see, it's a valiant defense, but really, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants and ready to lob your head off.
Important posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762¤tpage=11#204
BC calls ILJ out for being lol
On June 29 2011 02:57 Caller wrote:
also, ilovejonn is mafia
RoL's Analysis: I used this to grab Sandroba... it's how he says things.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10036095
Exactly what I'd do. Accuse my fellow scum, but make sure I suggested lynching town.
On July 01 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote:
I think I made it pretty clear that I think VisceraEyes is scum. It made sense that RoL was also scum since he refused to lynch VisceraEyes, thus that made you DT for real. Caller also defended VisceraEyes and was the main reason he did not get lynched day1 AND has being claiming a fuckton of roles and getting away with it. I'm actually not even bothering to respond to all his shit since 90% of it are lies. I'm 100% confident he's either SK or Scum. As for LSB I'm not sure anymore, but I felt like he was town all game. ilovejonn I have no clue to be honest.
More scum having null read on someone that was very much up for scrutinity at the time.
On July 01 2011 12:11 ilovejonn wrote:Sorry I had work the whole day and a meeting, was very busy since tmr is Canada Day. I've caught up with the thread but honestly skipped a few of the last few pages because it was just Caller and Fishball shouting at each other. I'll be back when Day comes. And for the record Ace says I didn't vote in the vote count, but I did. Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 23:25 ilovejonn wrote:
##Vote: RebirthofLegend
I was already suspicious of him from the vote switch and excuse, + his hit claim right after Night post seems to just be causing confusion for the town.
Extra emphasis... "look guys, I DID help you kill mafia".
On July 01 2011 17:29 citi.zen wrote:
As it happens, I also like Fishball's scum list of VisceraEyes, LSB and ilovejonn. I would add sandroba and Kurumi to it - both have done little more but spam filler posts since the start of the game.
citi.zen telling you you're scum.
On July 05 2011 07:27 Kurumi wrote:
Let's look,Fishball strongly believes that LSB is scum..
LSB shot RoL Night 1. RoL did not lie about his role and I think he DID NOT lie about his medic protect. Medic is either mafia or we have something cool over here.
So let's do this.
ilovejonn claimed to check GGQ's body on Night 0.. He got killed by mafia.
Night ??? Check was deconduo,who was obvious Vigilante... but there's a treat: he SPECIFIES that GGQ was town alligned,but does not give that information about decon..
Night ??? Check was Scamp,and his body was missing.. Now the fun part.
Somehow between those he checked RoL's body which turned out to be Mafia Janitor...
So let's think a bit. Both Scamp and GGQ were mafia kills. They could EASILY hide those bodies. Why didn't they hide both? One-shot ability? Why Scamp? If Mafia would indeed have Mafia Janitor they had cleaned up GGQ's body easily. So You know how it goes? RoL was Mafia Coroner. He gave ilovejonn his checks to back up the claim. ilovejonn is scum. He does not specify when the check happened. He tries to frame LSB. He tries to convince us that Mafia Janitor existed.
##vote ilovejonn
VOTE HIM,WE ARE CLOSE TO VICTORY GUYS,MAFIA IS BETWEEN CHEZ AND SANDROBA NOW
Kurumi telling you you're scum.
So, here is a list of the people who have told you you're scum.
Chezinu, Caller, Fishball, citi.zen, Palmar, Kurumi, Amber
Really, the only way forward for me at this point is to go with you. I wanted to lynch you day one. I also wanted to lynch Radfield, but that one never took off at all.
I want you to die because a lot of better players than me say you should die. And because I thought you were scum anyway.
Sorry for using "you" liberally, when I'm mostly talking about your predecessor. You have actually put up an admirable defense.
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Humour me for a moment: if you suddenly rolechecked me and saw that I was indeed townie;
between yourself, amber and citi.zen, who would you call as the last mafia?
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Note that radfield = citizen
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radfield.
Jackal isn't dumb enough to leave behind a message like "Amber is 100% townie" if he's not damn fucking sure.
And I am not mafia, for obvious reasons.
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So how would you explain his claim and what transpired in the game?
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his claim makes sense if you consider who originally played the role (lol, radfield always dies night 2)
That's the sorta thing I'd expect.
I have no meta on him, never played with either of them before, but apparently Radfield's town play looks very much like it did this game (I didn't believe it so I checked PYPI). I just glanced over some of radfield's posts withouth much context, but he was doing the same blanket-statement-style that he did in this one.
Everyone else seemed to be pretty content with his town posting
I have no idea bout the hit on rol, but I guess that'll just have to be revealed.
I'm answering questions because you're nice, but I'm not changing my mind.
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So despite him being mafia, you still think he has a reveal-roles-after-night-2 role? Honestly I find it pretty odd; I mean if I were mafia and had that role on my team, I'd try and make sure it never gets used, since no-flip is so much more powerful.
And yes I realize we're dealing in hypotheticals; still it's interesting. I sure wish amber could join in.
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On my phone, laughing to myself at the airport at the memories of waw1. What I could not believe was how gullible the town was, eating up all these complicated role stories you guys were cooking up every single day.
The funny thing is JeeJee himself brings that up just as he once more tries to make the whole conversation revolve around " what could be" if we make... "creative" role assumptions. Go read waw1 - you will see exactly what I mean.
My read is simple: JeeJee came in trying to throw Palmar under the buss. Read the previous page: he directly asks me/amber if we would consider a case against Palmar. I post I will be traveling. He instantly does a 180 turn and decides to go after me instead. Then the story telling begins.
Nice try, but no cigar. You lose regardless of who you kill tonight.
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So tell us what you discovered the last few nights. I don't recall him telling us anything since that claim. Everything seems convenient.
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Interesting how ilj thought his role worked at night and now you're saying that this role activates during the day. This is fascinating
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Okay remember my role acts during the day. ILJ was wrong when he said he checked during night 0.
In fact, he later claims he checks during the day -- what a dumb contradiction to make on purpose!
Here's the relevant quote:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2011 10:42 ilovejonn wrote:
Do I really have to explain my role again. I check dead people and sometimes I get additional information if I'm lucky. Also I use my ability during the day.
Day1 - check GGQ; Busy Paramedic, you also notice someone else has been looking at the body. Town aligned.
Day 2 - check deconduo; Your check returns A Town Vigilante. You also notice Scamp's body is missing.
Day 3 - check RoL; You check the dead body and notice an ID tag on it: RebirthofLegend was the Scum Janitor
And I don't know why LSB is like wait for who I checked, I told you I'm pretty much useless now since Roles are revealed and thus I don't really have a point of checking dead people.
Days 1-3, ILJ has already said who he checked -- GGQ, Deconduo, RoL
Day 4 I guess he didn't check anyone -- right about here Ace asked for a replacement.
I sub in Night 4.
Day 5 I only had 2 options to check: GM and Scamp. Scamp's body was missing so I wondered if I could check it -- I could! The 'missing' was temporary. I checked it to maybe find out why it was missing. He flipped VT.
Come daybreak, I plan on checking GM for completeness' sake.
So here's where we are:
+ Show Spoiler [Dead Players] +
GMarshal shot Night 0 I will check when daybreak, probably VT?
GGQ shot Night 0 Busy Paramedic
deconduo modkilled Day 1 Vigilante
Scamp shot Night 1 Vanilla Town
RebirthofLegend lynched Day 2 Mafia Janitor
BloodyC0bbler, Vanilla Townie killed Night 2
VisceraEyes, Vanilla Townie modkilled Night 2
Fishball, Cop killed Night 2
Caller, Vigilante lynched Day 3
Jackal58, Vanilla Townie killed Night 3
sandroba, Scum Lawyer lynched Day 4
LSB, Jack Of All Trades killed Night 4
Kurumi, Vanilla Townie killed Night 4
Chezinu, Vanilla Townie lynched Day 5
I subbed in night 4, and see that the role is indeed what he claimed it is.
What an odd role, if citi.zen isn't lying. According to citizen's claim, all flips are revealed after day 1 (starting with, and including night 2). That makes my role so utterly useless in such a short while. How does that make sense?
Keep the questions coming, anything I answer unsatisfactorily, please let me know.
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EBWOP:...all flips are revealed after day 2** (starting with, and including .. etc)
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Day 6 ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iOnUk_WuH7E/TDXkXYDHslI/AAAAAAAAAWg/p-cqTZb1pJU/s1600/prisoners-dilemma.jpg)
Amber[Light] the Mason has been butchered
With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch.
Day 6 ends whenever majority is reached.
Still alive:
citi.zen
JeeJee
Palmar
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Ok... You decided Palmar is more likely to play the "if pigs could fly then what would we know about gravity?" game. Good luck.
##Vote: JeeJee
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EPT
