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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:07 Chezinu wrote: So is this what we have so far? RebirthOfLeGenD ilovejonn GMarshal sandroba Amber[LighT] LSB deconduo Caller Palmar BloodyC0bbler Fishball Radfield Chezinu VisceraEyes Scamp GGQ Jackal58 Kurumi But I don't think you are town  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On July 08 2011 08:07 Ace wrote: soon. ™ | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day ? ![[image loading]](http://images.epilogue.net/users/raist/hellspawn.jpg) Chezinu, Vanilla Townie has been lynched Send in your Night Actions now. Night 5 will end tonight at 8 PM ET assuming I get all night actions in on time. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Someone needs to write a book on how to read Chezinu. Ilovejonn/JeeJee is going down tomorrow. I don't care who dies tonight, he's the one that gets lynched. | ||
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Palmar
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Kurumi
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
3 will be alive tomorrow, it's going to be lylo for us. JeeJee or Palmer.... It's hard to really say JeeJee is scum so it would have to be the person playing his role from the start. I'm going to go through some of ILJ's posts... | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Well, here's what's going to happen. I am going to vote for palmar tomorrow, and palmar is going to vote for me. Whoever of Amber/citi is left will decide the game with their vote. Now, I can't change what has been said in the past. Certain things ILJ has said, while true, were phrased in a very suspicious way. For example, the first thing that comes to mind is how he phrased that he knew Scamp's body was gone -- he said something like "I get lucky sometimes". To me that reeked of a not-well-thought-out fake role. While kind of true, it was phrased really poorly, so I can't blame you at all for suspecting me. Likewise, immediately the plan I thought of for today's day was the following: Lynch Palmar -- if he's telling the truth, we can easily lynch chezinu after since there's no 'night' as such If he's lying, we just nailed a mafia, and gg. But I didn't mention it because obviously I am a high candidate for suspicion and that would make me more suspicious if anything a la "nice try mafia", all the while it's completely true. If there's any doubt in your mind that I'm not mafia, then let me make the best case I can against Palmar. Not even sure what I'm going to find yet since I didn't really expect this but I'll do my best. If there's no doubt whatsoever, and you'll lynch me no matter what I say, then I'm not gonna bother and ggwp Palmar, looks like I subbed in to a bad place :< So, amber/citizen, would you seriously consider a case made by me or dismiss it as ramblings of a mafia? @Amber, my exact role name is Forensic Scientist. Any and all question I will be happy to answer, hopefully much clearly than ILJ. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Accusing you based on something you did not say, but subbing into end-game is probably really, really hard, especially as mafia. And yes, the window to confirm me came and went with LSB shooting Kurumi, now we cannot lynch me and still lynch you. Whoever is left alive will just have to hammer it. I think I've played very pro-town this entire game, probably the only scum that got caught on an attempt at analysis was me accusing Sandroba. I don't know, with you in (I think you are a stronger player than ILJ) the entire thing gets turned upside down. And we had ILJ pretty much figured out. But yes, what will happen is that the remaining person of citi.zen and amber will hammer it. I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
With that said though, feel free to accuse me based on whatever ILJ has said (no matter how weird it is) since we're the same person as far as you're concerned. Maybe I can shine a light into what exactly ILJ meant and why it sounded scummy and how I would have phrased it instead since I am now him -.^ | ||
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citi.zen
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Palmar if it's all the same to you don't hammer your vote on me right away. | ||
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Palmar
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JeeJee
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On July 09 2011 00:53 JeeJee wrote: Listen, if a single townie votes for someone other than a mafia, it's insta-loss, right? What do you have to lose by waiting for a bit? I am not hammering my vote on you right away anymore so calm down for a bit. I need to re-read the thread first... You can re-read the thread. I have done it more than once, always reaching the same conclusion that ILJ was scummy as hell. He's gotten by on the fact that he confirmed LSB, which is pro-town, but not enough to clear him. I am town and I am voting for you, take all the time you need to re-read, defend and cast your vote, but I'm voting for you. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
From my point of view, if you're hellbent on mashing a vote, you're leaving it up to town to decide (if you're mafia) -- this doesn't really seem to be how 3 people lylo plays out. Usually mafia convinces one townie to vote for the other then jumps on it. Maybe I can't even convince myself of this suspicion in which case I'll vote for you since I know I'm townie, and we'll see what happens. All I ask you is to wait, can you do that please? Especially if amber dies tonight. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On July 03 2011 08:37 ilovejonn wrote: I'm going to confirm this claim to be true. LSB is not scum, nor am I. The plan I had today since we lynched RoL, was to check his dead body to confirm if Fishball was actually Cop or not, thus confirming him and myself as town. However, my plan wasn't really necessary as it seems like someone could reveal roles on Day posts, and I also did not expect THREE kills. I am the Forensic Scientist, basically I can check the roles of dead people. Why am I so sure LSB isn't lying? Because he said he mimic'd RoL checking a dead body. I had investigated deconduo's body and he revealed to be a Vigilante. I also found out on that same check that Scamp's body was missing. RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner. I was confused as to why Scamp's body was missing, but if my speculations are correct, RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them. I also checked GGQ on Night 0, he returned Busy Paramedic and town aligned. The only people I haven't checked are GMarshal, and Scamp. But I know there are more coroner's left. Caller has kept on saying Fishball and BC are scum, and then they died. Obviously he is trying to justify his kills just by repeatedly saying they are scum and he was certain since it's no flip that he'll be safe. But as we can see Fish and BC didn't flip scum. My vote is going to be on Caller today. ##Vote: Caller Let's pick this apart: 1. I'm going to confirm this claim to be true. LSB is not scum, nor am I. Notice the immediate mention of "I am not scum." Scum typically manipulate situations to appear more town. Townies don't need to legitimize their actions, they know they're town. Keep this thought in mind, as it's for this reason that I was so mad about the immense lying of pro-town players throughout the game. 2. I am the Forensic Scientist, basically I can check the roles of dead people. Okay you were right about your role name, but basically this isn't a good claim. This is not what your role does. Your role is more of a watcher role, not a detective role. You can read more about the forensic scientist here, but basically your role includes "target[ing] a dead player and learn[ing] who targeted them during the game." Checking roles is for the cops, you wouldn't know roles or alignment. Watcher roles are also a very good claim for mafia because these roles work well for town OR mafia aligned players, unlike a pro-town godfather or a mafia virgin. When I did a little research about the virgin role it didn't seem very "ace like" to give the mafia team this role. This role has 0 benefit to them and just creates more of a mess for them to clean it up. They need to lynch a mafia to get a no-kill night? That's when they do their best work! They're going to sacrifice one person for 0 gain? Or if that player accidentally gets lynched the mafia team is penalized for not helping him? Yah okay. 3. Why am I so sure LSB isn't lying? Because he said he mimic'd RoL checking a dead body. I had investigated deconduo's body and he revealed to be a Vigilante. I also found out on that same check that Scamp's body was missing. RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner. The real answer is because you're scum and he wasn't lying. Okay lie no. 1: You "knew about" 3 people in 2 night phases: Deconduo, Scamp, and RoL. Lie no. 2: Deconduo was a vigilante. Maybe, but you're a watcher role, and this was discussed to death. Lie no. 3: "I also found out on that same night that scamps body was missing." You can't tell us his role, but you know that his body was missing? That's not what your role does. It basically can check roles, right? Lie no. 4: Your scum buddy RoL told you about Scamp because he really might be the janitor, or coroner, who cares what it's called. He claimed Coroner himself when he called Caller a jackass. Lie no 5: Your dead body check once again revealed a role. What's nice is we don't really know what that role was because it wasn't visible. Now I'm wondering why Ace would have the watcher check roles of dead people when the town police officer just needs to stay alive past night 2. That makes your ability worthless after night 2. 4. I was confused as to why Scamp's body was missing, but if my speculations are correct, RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them. I also checked GGQ on Night 0, he returned Busy Paramedic and town aligned. Lie no. 6: Your speculations? You were told what happened. RoL proly masterminded this retarded stunt 5 days ago and he's probably laughing at how no one caught this clusterfuck yet. You checked someone on Night 0?! Do you know what a forensic scientist does?! I'm not an expert by any means but I've watched enough CSI to know that in order for an investigation to occur, a crime needs to be committed. How the hell did you even check any dead bodies before anything happens? I can't believe no one caught this. Lie no. 7: "You checked GGQ on Night 0." He probably is a medic. You probably also didn't need to worry about anything because the town can't really account for his role. I'm going to re-iterate that your role is not an investigative role. You're a watcher. This never happened. Your ability most likely started on Night 1, when you could actually use it. Lie no. 8: "RoL's dead body check returned as Mafia Janitor and not mafia Coroner." VS "RoL's role can clean up dead bodies therefore not allowing people like me to check them." If he cleans up dead bodies then he's a janitor. I bet he cleaned up GGQ on Night 0, and Deconduo on Night 1. Remember, Deconduo got modkilled, so it would have been a really good idea for him to clean up that body to confirm his vigi claim. This would have legitimized a LOT of pro town players. This is also how you knew this information. You probably did watch people, but they weren't these two. 5. The only people I haven't checked are GMarshal, and Scamp. But you knew that Scamps body went missing? I hope town makes the right move and takes out ILJ//JeeJee. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
We just need citi.zen to understand the same thing. | ||
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