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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 29 2011 09:47 GMT
#60
/in
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 05 2011 20:33 GMT
#300
On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember?
+ Show Spoiler +


1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ


UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3


this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 05 2011 20:52 GMT
#302
On June 06 2011 05:37 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember?
+ Show Spoiler +


1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ


UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3


this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.

This post can be treated like it never happened,You know? What are Your thoughts on freeloader bandwagon? Who's Your scum suspect #1?


I don't have a scum suspect on day1. It's too early to judge anyone.
It's just not reasonable to randomlynch someone in the first round, before we got to know each other a little bit.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:17:00
June 05 2011 22:16 GMT
#309
On June 06 2011 06:13 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember?
+ Show Spoiler +


1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ


UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3


this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.


This list is meant to pressure people into posting. It's meant to highlight the people that are lying low and "lurking". I expect mafia, esp in a game with so many inexperienced users, to try to remain innocuous and not garner much attention on the early game. A townie would not feel as much pressure and wouldn't care about this list. You, however, seem really concerned about getting off this list.

You say its too early to judge anyone especially before we get to really know anyone. But how do you expect us to judge you if your posts are meaningless (unless you dont want us to judge you)? How you post and your response to accusations and early votes are the only means we have to go on. Currently your posts as Kurumi states are pure fluff. They tell us nothing about you and seem like you're just trying to just accomplish your post quota without saying anything.




and that's bad because? I don't get your point. If someone wants to expose himself, he may do so. I won't, because if I do so, either Mafia shoots me at night, or town lynchs me at day - depending on what I am, or what you guys think I am.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 05 2011 22:36 GMT
#312
okay I didn't know I have to vote... sorry for that.
But since I have to, I voted monsterDrakar.

I voted for him because he voted against theawesomeall with a poor reason. I think theawesomeall -with his list - is obviously a scary player for mafiosi and other people that don't want to be in the spotlight. At first, I was a bit shocked too, when I saw my name at the lurkerlist. But now I think it's the right move to really start this. So I think monsterDrakar is scum and wants to undermine the credibility of someone who puts some facts on the table.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 06 2011 12:31 GMT
#399
guys this is getting really complicated with these XXL posts :D
i'll draw a mindmap of all this when i am at home. when does the night beginn?
(typing this from my iphone)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 06 2011 23:06 GMT
#556
Guys, basically you stated two points against rookie:

1. He wanted to know whether there are strategies, more experienced players usually use in former games. That doesn't mean he's mafia just because he wants to know the strategy. Anyone needs these informations. blues needs it, to know who to check/heal; mafia needs it to know who to frame/kill and the greens have to know the strategy to lynch correctly... So I think this doesn't mean anything

2. He has been quiet since this post. Well, some of us just don't have the time to be active in this thread 24/7. I spend my whole day in university learning taxlaw. That doesn't make anyone suspicious.

I heard every possible argument against and in favor already for anyone in here.
If someone posts and analyses much he's suspicious, because he tries to be a good townie - on the other hand if someone is really quiet he's suspicious because he is no good townie...
If someone votes aggressively against someone, he's suspicious because he wants to kill - if he doesn't vote he's suspicious because he doesn't want anyone to get lynched.
Moreover we got reds and blues, both don't want their roles to be known, so everyone pretends to be a green townie... It's a mess...
I just want to say, that we have to be careful with soft-points like activity etc.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 06 2011 23:26 GMT
#563
yes I can explain myself. I judged over monsterDrakar too quick. I am used to the sc2 mafia, where everything has to be very quick and most votes happen to be intentional...
Despite of that, I will stick to my vote, since monsterDrakar obviously won't be lynched and I really don't know who to vote for, as I described in my last post.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 07 2011 12:25 GMT
#679
On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on.


i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia.
if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be.

i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used...
arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 07 2011 12:44 GMT
#683
exactly. DTs should check these three guys that jumped on the bandwagon at the exact same time. kurumi and these other guys. someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. but searching posts with my iphone is super painful. at least i still don't trust jackal. i think his excuse "bad the first days" means: dont lynch me i'll get valuable for you.
noone wanted to lynch him, so why should he defend himself like this? explain yorself, jackal!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 07 2011 12:56 GMT
#689
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 07 2011 21:45 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 21:25 supersoft wrote:
On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on.


i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia.
if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be.

i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used...
arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations

Don't really care what you're buying. How the hell would mafia know he was a medic?



i never said, that mafia knew that he was a medic. my theory was they wanted to draw votes away from freeload. your credibility will continue to fade away even more, if you keep avoiding the facts and just tell irrelevant things like that mafia couldn' knew tgat he was med. mafia at least knew that he wasn't mafia.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 07 2011 16:09 GMT
#705
as the third medic, i'll heal kuru anyway. ooooops
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 08 2011 21:40 GMT
#872
I going to vote for iGrok now. I believe he's scum. For several reasons.


First reason:
I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now.

To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day:

Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok.

Now to the differences between these three players:

Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches.

Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid...

iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi.

___________________________

iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF.

Second reason

This shit convinced me
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want Trust me that it's smart and good:

No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players.

The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.

iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.

Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though.

Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players.

Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 08 2011 21:46 GMT
#874
CjrNinja, Xedat and freeloader, go vote iGrok. I expect you guys to be town.
_______________

CjrNinja was the first one who accused lafali

Xedat is just a nice guy

and freeloader is obviously the noobtownguy. If he were mafia, he'd be pretty intelligent with his first post, but I don't think so :-D
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 08 2011 22:07 GMT
#876
On June 09 2011 06:55 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 06:40 supersoft wrote:
I going to vote for iGrok now. I believe he's scum. For several reasons.


First reason:
I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now.

To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day:

Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok.

Now to the differences between these three players:

Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches.

Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid...

iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi.

___________________________

iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF.

Second reason

This shit convinced me
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want Trust me that it's smart and good:

No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players.

The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.

iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.

Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though.

Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players.

Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear.



So, he is the most passive, which could also mean he is a blue and then later in another post, you try to get other people to bandwagon with You. Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue, but u do have good analysis of those players. Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum!


i didn't think of that possibility that he's blue to be honest.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 08 2011 22:14 GMT
#877
But I don't think he's blue. If he was blue, somebody else must be the leading mafioso. I don't believe, that there is no mafia member that tries to influence the town. Can't be all lurkers.
I named the other two persons, and I believe I am still correct with my accuse.

It's not like I say he must be GF because he said: "blablabla"
I say he's GF because the other two that come to my mind are in my eyes innocent.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 08:17 GMT
#940
i read some parts of amazings wall of text and I don't buy his story. he defends himself an igork and accuses jackal. kurumi and some other obvious townies are named as such, but only because hes right about these guys doesn't mean he's not lying abot himself and igork.
__________________

i suggest to lynch igork first. if he was mafia we may lynch amazing afterwards.
reason for that: igork is much more likely the GF than amazing. and if GF is gone, our DT checks will be 100% accurate and not completely useless as they are right now.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#941
On June 09 2011 17:09 Xedat wrote:
My vote stays on amazingxkcd.
I read through 80% of it and what is strange to me is that he calls everyone that is under slight suspicion scum, additionally he says pyo and jackal are scum. But then, not a word on iGrok? Really? Why analyze the posting of most players but leave the most discussed about with nothing at all.
Also, Drazerk and Jimboo, I am not forgetting about you. Say something or the streets around you will be painted crimson.


our vigi can shoot amazing. we have to get rid of the GF and amazing is not the gf.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 08:38 GMT
#944
yes and i am convinced that i gorks lynch and turn-out to be mafia would give us a ton of informations + Dt checks would be accurate since i think if hes scum hes also GF.

amazing not so much... except for his XXL post, there was nothing viable before he was accused to be scum...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 19:50 GMT
#969
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 20:58 GMT
#984
On June 10 2011 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)

Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.


Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.

On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:
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On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.


What's the goal of your post? seriously, are you feared that you could be the next? Why does it bother you, if Kurumi pressures ppl that don't deliver an explanation for their votes?

On June 10 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum

Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.


exactly. Scum wants to bandwagon quietly, when it's already too late to shift the process.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 09 2011 21:09 GMT
#986
On June 10 2011 05:30 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)


Hmm, so if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched?


interesting question. if the lynch target doesn't end up voting (and gets modkilled), does the next highest voting get lynched?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 04:50 GMT
#1066
you guys just suck. when i went to bed iGork was leading the votes.
then this arrogant idiot jackal came along talking shit + iGork kept QQing... and all of the sudden you fools lynch the DT. nice!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 04:55 GMT
#1067
good for us the mods counted the votes wrongly ;-) amazing isn't dead. iGork is.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 05:07 GMT
#1069
On June 10 2011 03:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vote Tally:

iGrok 10
Pyo
Gtrsrs
Sprungjeezy
Kurumi
Supersoft
omgCRAZY
Xedat
Kairo
monsterDrakar
TranceStorm

Amazingxkcd 8
Treadmill
grush57
Xedat
Kairo
Teamsolid
Impervious
Cherubael
Alderan
CjrNinja
35spike1

Jackal58 1
Amazingxkcd

Jimbooo 1
Heist

iGrok is leading the lynch with 10 votes. A little over 9 hours remain.


it was counted at first. You can't just uncount, if you first counted it. How should Xedat know, that in the final post it won't count?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 05:29 GMT
#1079
On June 10 2011 14:21 aprudds wrote:
XKCD-13
Treadmill
grush57
teamsolid
Impervious
cherubael
Alderan
35spike1
TheAwesomeAll
blackone
aprudds
iGrok
Munk-E
Senj

iGrok-11
Pyo
gtrsrs
Sprungjeezy
Kurumi
supersoft
CjrNinja
omgCRAZY
Xedat
Kairo
Drazerk
freeloader625

Did a recount, can someone check it?


yes it's wrong:

igork

1 Pyo
2 gtrsrs
3 Sprungjeezy
4 Kurumi
5 supersoft
6 CjrNinja
7 omgCRAZY
8 Xedat
9 Kairo
10 monsterDrakar
11 TranceStorm
12 Drazerk
13 reeloader625

amazing

1 Treadmill
2 grush57
3 Impervious
4 cherubael
5 Alderan
6 35spike1
7 TheAwesomeAll
8 blackone
9 aprudds
10 iGrok
11 Munk-E
12 Senj
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 09:57 GMT
#1112
i will burst out all my thoughts a second before the night finishes.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 10 2011 14:18 GMT
#1144
On June 10 2011 22:18 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 22:00 Jackal58 wrote:
If you are a vigilante put your gun away. We may very well need you later in the game.

Are you trying to save yourself?

Ever since you've got painted as the next target at the top of the list.


what list are you talking about?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 09:10 GMT
#1198
On June 11 2011 16:37 gtrsrs wrote:
scratch that. i think the case against Vain is actually stronger and more well-analyzed and more people feel that he is mafia than grush57. gonna go ahead and pressure ##vote: Vain instead


Vain didn't vote against amazinxdc.
iGrok was too valuable as GF for the mafia. They probably all voted against amazinxdc. therefor we have to kill these obvious scums from first.

my suggestion is either TheAwesomeAll or aprudds just by their votingbehaviour. I'll go through their posts later, maybe someone could help me out there a little.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 09:25 GMT
#1199
also this guy is very suspicious to me cherubael
I'm going to vote for him.


On June 11 2011 11:36 Pyo wrote:
I was going to do a post by post analysis of everyone that didn't vote for iGrok, but I'm just too lazy and only got through half of the list. Here are my analyses on some of them in case I die tonight. Nothing super conclusive here, but hopefully someone can use it to compare with their own notes:

Lurkers/low post counts:
Aril
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - kurumi
day 2 - jackal58

doesn't like voting for freeloader

defends accusation by cherubael

says he won't be on tomorrow and is voting ahead of time

makes a huge long list of random people - a ridiculous post combining "this will get me killed" and a huge long list of people, some of which are confirmed townies

sets up a script to parse posts - again says "yay for getting mafia killed because only a stupid confirmed townie would post this"

Munk-E
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1 - lafali
Day 2 - amazingxkcd

analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll

goes after lafali

long analysis of amazingxkcd

cherubael
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1 - freeloader
Day 2 - amazingxkcd

agrees with accusation of freeloader

again agreeing with accusation of freeloader

further aggression against freeloader; aggression toward Aril when he defends freeloader

aggression against 35spike

says case against xkcd is stronger than case against iGrok; aggression against supersoft; appologizes for inactivity

all around overly aggressive to everyone. I've sort of rethought my original position on him. he's probably not mafia (it would be odd for them to go around attacking everyone).

blackone
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1 - freeloader
Day 2 - amazingxkcd

admonishes iGrok for haikus

analysis of freeloader; doesn't really reach any conclusion

points out that the voting for rookie is stupid

defends treadmill from kurumi accusation (don't remember context so can't interpret)

points out my errors in logic, says i might be scummy for trying to get the possibly existent 3rd target to keep quiet

confused by kurumi saying random shit

explaining vote for amazingxkcd after kurumi harasses him

more detail on why xkcd - says iGrok is probably GF, but case against xkcd is stronger


others:
Alderan
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - rookie
day 2 - xkcd

Defends freeloader as misguided town

again assess freeloader as just being new

explains that what kurumi does is not good

says that xkcd's first post is bad (stating the premise of the game)

points out xkcd's aggressive defense

list of suspicious people - first accusation of xkcd; also identifies grush as suspicious

formatting clarification

responds to iGrok's advice

declares his vote for xkcd; points out a contradiciton by iGrok

joke post

attempt to convince others not to vote for freeloader

welcomes impervious to the game

disagrees with TranceStorm

response to being called scum by jackal

isn't convinced rookie is blue-fishing

warns rookie that he'll get lynched if he doesn't defend himself

isn't convinced rookie is scum, but still votes for him for lack of a better target

disagrees with impervious about protecting experienced people under suspicion as mafia are likely to keep anyone under suspicion alive

suggests that if we have a medic that medic should decide for themselves who to protect

says that it is not jackal's fault that everyone bandwagoned rookie

again advocates lynching xkcd

advocates voting for xkcd, but keeping an eye on jackal and iGrok

explains vote for rookie as having missed the blue-tell

says xkcd should repost analysis of iGrok

"oh fuck" in response to xkcd flipping blue

"Wow..." in response to iGrok flipping GF

teamsolid
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - freeloader
day 2 - jackal58

thinks freeloader is suspicious, but warns against latching onto random posts and picking at tiny details; says mafia would likely be people that are lurking

suggests dt check for senj because of bandwagoning on rookie

comments on only 2 dying

praises GGQ's dying words; says only person we have solid evidence on is xkcd. Acknowledges that iGrok could be GF, but would be a big loss to town if he was town; thinks mafia would be lurking

seconds impervious's defense of iGrok (later post says he meant to quote heist's defense of iGrok); says that he doesn't think that any of iGrok's posts are suspicious. (CONTRADICTION: if they aren't suspicious, why do you acknowledge that iGrok could be GF).

brings up Ver's guide; says xkcd's post was good and analyzed people well; says he doesn't think xkcd is mafia anymore because why would mafia waste time making epic long postl decides to look into jackal more

further defends xkcd; points out that some think xkcd is DT

says a jackal post is scummy, defends xkcd, votes for jackal because he thinks xkcd is DT

says he was right about xkcd being DT (good read btw - I actually missed the discussion on xkcd possibly being a DT)

says jackal is top of his list; suspicious of Sprungjeezy, me, 35spike for "discrediting" xkcd; says later votes for xkcd are suspicious if iGrok flips GF

says I suck ;(

responds to me wondering why xkcd didn't save himself (turns out he shouldn't have had to, but w/e)

senj
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - rookie44
day 2 - amazingxkcd

defends freeloader

defends iGrok because iGrok is the only one to provide analysis so far

is suspicious of Jimbooo because of arguments brought up by TranceStorm

bandwagons on rookie after Jackal's misread

defends his rookie vote timing (given that xkcd is blue, i guess it could be a coincidence)

defends voting for rookie

apologizes for inactivity

long analysis post about Jimbooo and him being indecisive about voting during day 1, but doesn't explicitly accuse him but points out his indecision - ironic given that the post itself is him being indecisive.

pointing out that Jimbooo has disappeared from TL

responds to Kurumi asking if we should vigi shoot grush

responds to kurumi and TranceStorm

says he is still voting for Jimbooo, but is worried that he'll get modkilled so will analyze xkcd and iGrok

finds it weird that both iGrok and xkcd defend themselves; notices a slight contradiction between iGroks's statements; but as of this point it looks as if an iGrok lynch is inevitable

complains about tdAdonis's lack of posting.

encourages xkcd to defend himself

explains why he is voting for xkcd - "His day 1 activity, especially the first post and then several after attacking others for making fluff first posts are my basis here"

"Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about anyone this game." Probably refering to all three of his accusees (rookie, jimbooo, xkcd)

heist
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - amazingxkcd
day 2 - Jimbooo

thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious

confusion about rolecounts

confusion cleared up

justifies making an inactives list

diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners

advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense

posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk

criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat)

"mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie"

bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum

clarifies formating from previous post

really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd

noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well.

declares that he's gunning for jimbooo

his expreience

defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred)

says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived.

long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him.

it's clear heist really doesn't like me.

says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue

supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 17:46 GMT
#1227
On June 12 2011 00:01 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
Vain didn't vote against amazinxdc.
iGrok was too valuable as GF for the mafia. They probably all voted against amazinxdc. therefor we have to kill these obvious scums from first.


while the bolded part is true, you're insinuating that vain voted against iGrok, which is also not true. he voted to kill Jackal, which means we can't ignore him completely.


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
my suggestion is either TheAwesomeAll or aprudds just by their votingbehaviour. I'll go through their posts later, maybe someone could help me out there a little.


i think it would be unwise to split our attention amongst several possible candidates and instead focus on the two LIKELY candidates for lynch.

something's a bit fishy about this post. noted.


feel free to note whatever you want.

Mafia lost their GF just so barely, that i don't think, that any mafioso didn't try to get amazingxdc lynched instead. They could have saved iGrok, and the game would have been pretty tough for town.
That's my reason, why I think Vain is not the best choice for todays lynch.

my primarysuspects are cherubael, grush57, TheAwesomeAll and aprudds. All voted amazingxdc and in the first round all of them voted for obvious townies. + All of them defended iGrok and attacked amazingxdc. + All of them made only useless posts.



supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 17:47 GMT
#1228
On June 12 2011 02:44 Kurumi wrote:
Could someone elaborate why Pyo is cleared?


he was the first person who voted iGork. Why should mafia start a potential bandwagonlynch of their GF?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 22:59 GMT
#1246
On June 12 2011 04:24 grush57 wrote:
Alright, Time to get Serious, the most suspicous people right now are me(:O), aprudds, Treadmill, and Vain.

First off, Aprudds.

Looking throughout his posts, he had no analysis, 90% of it saying nothing or saying ovbious things and restating what others said. All 1 or 2 liners, he is basically what I was doing.
Scum? Probably, not 100% sure so would be best as a dt check/vig.

Second, Treadmill.

His explanations on why he thought xcd was scum. Then, his defence and explanation about him being "pals" with iGrok and thinking xcd was scum.After that, saying gtsrs not to ask questions? And later saying only 8 mafia. Facepalming for lynching xcd. More about the wrong vote count, and then saying that xcd probably checked Kurumi,(which I think can all be agreed upon is true).
And that was all which was recent. Before, he was defending iGrok, which was all wrong and saying why he thinks xcd is scum.
Is he scum? I'm not really sure. I mean sure he was wrong about iGrok and xcd, but a lot of us made that mistake too, and atleast Treadmill provided explanations and didn't lurk like a lot of us. So, I think he is townie.(Maybe Vet)

Third, Vain.

Alright, so he is pretty much avoiding mafia. Took me forever to find his profile for post history. But, he was posting in various other threads in TL. Latest post was 1000 something and before was 600 and then 500 posts in the XL thread. The latest post was him stating what happened basically and saying Kurumi is town(which i agree with) and about jackal defending lafali(intentionally or not). Saying Jackal or iGrok have to be mafia(which was right), explained everything etc. Not a scummy post at all. Later post.. says crap, shouldn't of voted rookie, lost all medics. Other post... Agreeing with Impervious about jackal being mafia... analyzing rookie, saying he spams and is scummy, anazlyses post by post. wasn't sure about iGrok being town or mafia, and questioning Kurmi being town.
Scum? Well, he is/was avoiding the heat from everyone else, but all his posts are town like and include analysis, and it looks like they were all right. But then again, if he is scum he would know exactly who would be town/mafia. Would probably good for a DT check.

Me?

Well, all my posts have been 1-2 liner posts that say absolutely nothing and are verry scummish, especially for not explaining my votes, and contradicting myself. And yes gtsrs, I am now scrambling to save myself, just like anyone else would. First time for an actual towny post, but could be result of my noobiness. Sorry for my posts before, and I'll try to act my role from now on. The choice is up to you if you think I'm town based on this post and my posts or if I'm scum trying to save myself. I hope this satisfies all of you who wanted me to post something that contributes, and I hope you make the right choice of killing de scummz.

Man, I feel accomplished writing all this(lol) but I hope this is good enough, because It doesn't feel up to par to the rest of your's.



hahaha, so everyone is innocent on that list? please! you don't have to save your scumbuddys. But thank you very much for that list!
We aren't stupid.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 23:31 GMT
#1249
it's colorful?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 23:36 GMT
#1251
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum.
Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 12 2011 13:59 GMT
#1265
okay we need a statement from treadmill/Grush. This information changes everything.

Treadmill is probably innocent. He was the first who voted on amazingxdc, so his vote wasn't supposed to start a conter-bandwagon to the iGrokthing.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 13 2011 04:59 GMT
#1324
2 mafioso and 18 townies
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#1366
when does the night end? it's now 25 hours
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 14 2011 07:52 GMT
#1374
mhm alderan and munk-E should be todays target. sadly i'll write an exam at 7/16... until then i can't contribute too much...
i also think that theblackone is an idiot, but he's town.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 12:09 GMT
#1390
there is probably no vigi left over...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 14:01 GMT
#1392
i don't know and i don't count on that.
i think munk-e is currently the most scummy person.
but we must not lose track even if he's innocent. the dead mafiosi gave us very much informations. but we have to realize, that they probably try to mislead us by accusing each other.
For now we have to stick to the plan, to lynch the amazibgxdc-voters first!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 17:58 GMT
#1400
On June 16 2011 02:38 blackone wrote:
Munk-E is on that list.


Dude, we know that... That's the reason for us to vote him. And you are on that list, too. But as I said before, I think you're just a little bit slow and not mafia.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 18:05 GMT
#1403
On June 16 2011 02:57 gtrsrs wrote:
i have lost a ton of interest in this, mafia just gg already
i'll just be sheeping from now on unless i see something really fishy
##vote: Munk-E


same here. That mafia was exciting the day we lynched iGrok and fought for that lynch... Now we got him and nearly all of his pals... not that big of a deal anymore... I want to play a new one. Unfortunately I am stuck in this!

It's pretty obvious. Town will continue to lynch these guys:

1. Munk-E
2. Alderan
3. aprudds
4. Treadmill

If there is still a mafioso left then, we lynch 5. Vain

Mods, please speed things up. We don't need 24 hours night and 48 hours dayphases. 12 hours each is more than enough in this state of the game... There comes nothing new to the table...
Hopefully we have some blues left, they could speed this up...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 18:07 GMT
#1404
On June 16 2011 03:02 blackone wrote:
EBWOP: just because you don't read more than one post in a row.


oh lord, you voted amazongxdc who was so obviously innocent...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 18:18 GMT
#1405
Does anyone know whether there is a med left for us?
I mean was someone healed after all our medics died?

If that's the case, a DT, that is on the iGrokvoted-list could reveal himself and speed things up by telling who he's going to check. So the remaining DTs (if there is more than one) don't doublecheck...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 18:31 GMT
#1408
On June 16 2011 03:23 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 03:07 supersoft wrote:
On June 16 2011 03:02 blackone wrote:
EBWOP: just because you don't read more than one post in a row.


oh lord, you voted amazongxdc who was so obviously innocent...

True. Doesn't change anything though.


okay I admit it, you're very smart, very handsome and absolutely not slow, dumb and useless.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 18:56 GMT
#1411
yes I just wanted you to confirm this once more, I didn't know whether you told the truth back then.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#1418
On June 16 2011 04:28 Treadmill wrote:
Since we DO have a third medic, if we have another DT they should definitely come forward and tell us what they've seen, as we can easily keep him alive. No GF should make their checks a lot better, though there is still a miller.

@supersoft: any particular reason you don't have blackone on your list too?


yes. I posted it twice. He seems suspicious, but he doesn't care at all.
Moreover he's posting only useless crap. Consequently I don't think he's mafia. And the other guys on that list are more suspicious in my opinion and defend themselves and accuse others... He doesn't fir in the pattern.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#1419
On June 16 2011 05:08 omgCRAZY wrote:
Will probably check Alderan


Since Alderan is the second most scummy person on my list I strongly agree with you. Check this guy. If he's innocent, we lynch the third guy :-)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:12 GMT
#1420
And if there is another DT that remained in the dark, please check our dear friend Treadmill :-)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:21 GMT
#1421
okay guys, sorry for the spam, but i just had a new idea. We don't lynch Munk-E.
Why should we lynch him, since he's a confirmed mafioso?
We better lynch someone who hasn't been checked yet. Obviously we raise our chances to get the mafia one round earlier if we reduce the targets.

Therefor i recommend you to lynch Alderan instead!

##unvote
##vote: Alderan

This plan is ofc useless if the Mafia loses their single KP that is left if we reduce them to only one man.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:44 GMT
#1426
On June 16 2011 06:36 Kurumi wrote:
Just before people start running in circles and shouting "WAT U MEAN KURUMI LLOLOLOOL"
This guy wants us to mislynch or at least spare his scum buddy for this day.


lol no i actually started the Munk-E lynchthing.

that idea to spare munk-E for now is just to speed things up. And if you'd think about it, you will see that it does in fact work.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:45 GMT
#1427
I see this is too complicated. We stick to my old plan and do it step-by-step.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#1429
On June 15 2011 05:27 omgCRAZY wrote:
##Vote: Drazerk


On June 15 2011 16:17 omgCRAZY wrote:
##Unvote: Drazerk
##Vote: Alderan


On June 16 2011 05:01 omgCRAZY wrote:
##Unvote: Alderan
##Vote: Munk-E


Why did you switch to Alderan and not to Munk-E since I already voted him?
...

something is scummy here... This may be the last try of the Mafia to get back into this!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 16 2011 12:10 GMT
#1464
I don't know where all the hate for Kurumi comes from. Everyone has his own playstyle. I like Kurumis style. He is unpredictable and that's not a bad thing in mafia.
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