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On May 31 2011 05:48 Varpulis wrote: you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. Oh ok well I don't have a real problem with that except we probably don't actually learn much from it and it would super clutter up the thread One thing we can be sure of tho is that mafia probably has a ton of weird kp roles. Considering the mafia kp is permanently set at 1 with 33 people. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:57 bumatlarge wrote: Are we picking people based on past history or are we going to base it on the current game? IIRC, this inevitably leads us to making "townie-lists". After PYPI, I don't really feel like thats a great idea. But for the sake of discussion I'm all for it, since I think you are focusing more on what people are saying rather then the lists themselves. I'll nominate you and myself. You nominating yourself for all the valuable batman jokes you have made so far :p Also what exactly is being nominated are you saying you and and BC are being the 2 most pro town so far? | ||
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The mafia will either kill amber out of fear of what his blue role is or we will at least get some use out of it if we wait a couple days. | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:35 Jackal58 wrote: Or was that Kav DocH took out on day 1 I don't remember. It was Kav. Did node say that we can tell what roles we gave after day2? If so we can just have whoever gave them the roles say what they are once they feel the time is right. It would be a complete waste to dt check amber or palmar just to try and figure out exactly why they post strangely. Dts use your checks on people you actually think are scum don't use them just to try and figure peoples roles out. Anyway I guess BC seems most pro town right now but I am slightly wary of Bum. Simply because he nominated himself to the list before he had actually posted anything to help the town. Obviously this is nothing even close to solid but it is something that seems like a bit of a red flag to me. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:46 bumatlarge wrote: Oh now your just pulling my leg, are you actually chaoser? Are people secretly smurfing or something? tnkted, one thing I've learned, people who call me town do not usually have a good track record of being town. Chaos is not chaoser. He is from another mafia site this is his 2nd mafia game on tl. | ||
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On May 31 2011 11:00 tnkted wrote: This is precicely the same plan I posted. The following people acted in a scummy way in response to it: If that is the same plan you posted why did you feel you needed to write 5 paragraphs and post it again after him? I don't have a problem with the plan (which was just common sense) but I have a problem with you writing out a long post to appear pro town, while not actually contributing anything, right after bum put a little pressure on. | ||
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On May 31 2011 13:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He is there as he was a member of a mafia team directly coached by me. As such I interacted with him on a fairly decent level to know what he is capable of. One does not have to be a massively known vet to be good. Yea I don't disagree with that just wanted to know your reasoning since db hasn't posted in the thread or been mentioned yet. | ||
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I am sure there are mafia who are talking a lot but most of them are probably playing like I have so far (very limited activity).The town is in such a disorganized mess that most of the mafia will just sit back and watch. So I agree with something node said earlier. Dts check the lurkers/ people we can't get reads of. Vets like barundar who are not contributing should be focused on. kurumi is very likely town (he played exactly like this in xxxix as town and lurked much more in pypi as mafia) do not shoot him just because he is annoying. Kurumi for the love of god put some effort into your posts. I honestly skip 2/3 of what you write because it is almost unreadable. Anyway like I said focus hard on lurkers because this is the perfect environment for mafia to just hide in. Oh also I know node already said it but chaos is actively trying to contribute to the town he is an asset don't kill him. | ||
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I would assume we probably do so I believe sinani and I think we should use a kp on him. Or we tell bum we will lynch him if he doesn't kill sinani? | ||
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kill sinani bum | ||
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So I think it is safe to assume he is telling the truth. In that case we should take the trade and have bum kill him that way we don't have to use any of our kp to do it down the line. | ||
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On June 02 2011 17:05 Barundar wrote: Wait what? Who the fuck are you? I searched on your name and the last post was on page 28. If you want to bring weak fingerpointing like that you have better done your homework, I bet you haven't even read half my posts. Nice job parroting Node as well btw.[/QUOTE] lol barundar I even said in my post people who had been lurking like I had. And it wasn't weak finger pointing. Did I call you scum? No I said people should pay close attention to the people lurking (especially the vets) because in the current environment it would be very easy for mafia to lurk without being notice. Little bit of an overreaction if you ask me. | ||
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There is no point in cluttering the thread so I won't discuss it again unless there is something specific that needs to be addressed about it. | ||
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For sinanis role I meant it to be if he died at anytime he could revive. Which is why I asked him if he could only be lynched last night. I was giving him an out to claim that and have mafia maybe shoot him. But I checked the wording and it says if you die that night you can pick someone to revive. So not sure if bc talking means lynch will work or not. | ||
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I mean I wanted him to claim he could only use his power if he were lynched to draw the mafia shot. | ||
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I have changed my mind on us killing sinani to revive bc. The main reason I have changed my mind is because I think there is a good chance we have no medic type roles. Node was by far the most pro town veteran left so for him not to have been protected either our medics are completely incompetent or we don't have any. If we have no medics and we revive bc he will be alive 1 day before he is killed. But as long as sinani is alive we have a close to confirmed townie (really the only plausible way for sinani to be mafia is if I am also mafia and we both lied about what his role actually does) who the mafia can't kill. That is only going to get stronger the longer the game goes on. | ||
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#Fistpound: Palmar | ||
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But yea I would be fine with palmar shooting tdl as well. We can always have GM sacrifice kurumi we don't have to have all the vigs shoot at him. | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote: His roleblock was false You morons. SK CAN SHOOT EVEN IT WAS ROLEBLOCKED Roleblocked SK can shoot? Well right now all we know is that either you or bum is lying since you both are claiming different things. Another good reason for gm to sacrifice you because if you flip SK then we have a confirmed red in bum. | ||
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On June 05 2011 14:48 bumatlarge wrote: Great, so get off my ass for getting roleblocked you silly townies. lol bum the problem is that you claimed roleblock for being unable to shoot sinani. Yet we know that roleblocking wouldn't prevent you from shooting if you were actually an SK. | ||
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I believe palmar is probably town just because I can't imagine the mafia shooting their mole but I think it is clear he has no clue who he should be shooting. | ||
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On June 06 2011 07:47 Jackal58 wrote: Depends on how Mataza flips.  I see it as a distinct possibility.  Scum shooting a mole or bussing another scum for town cred is not out of the ordinary Bussing isn't out of the ordinary but shooting their mole night 1 certainly would be. If they wanted to buy palmar town cred would be much much better for them to just shoot whichever one of them has a weak role power. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 07:19 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my current reads. I'll post again about the best way to assign the night shots a bit later. Palmar Shot varp day one. I would be shocked if mafia didn't use his kp on him tonight. A good target for medics and watchers. I'm slightly concerned he might shoot a town if his list from earlier was serious though. #Fistpound Palmer sinani206 Assuming his role claim is true, I don't see him being mafia. He has an incredibly powerful role, but I wish he hadn't claimed. Karshe Needs to post more. Amber[light] Town, I guess? It would be incredibly easy to play scum with this role. I would assume he would be dt checked by someone. redFF Aggressively posting. Shows motivation to help town. stefftastiq Just a gut read, I guess. Nothing to back this up. DropBear Starts strong on day one, but has dropped off since. He defended sandroba day one, which I like since it was a dumb bandwagon. chaos13 He has a larger investment in this game than I'm used to. I haven't seen his style as scum, which makes me less confidant of my read, but I'm leaning town. Cthsazsa Mostly town motivated posts. tnkted He is either scum or playing a real bad town game. He has made little effort to contribute because he claims to be immortal. At this point, I think he has lost the luxury to keep his power private and eventually should be forced to claim. GMarshal Shows little indication that he wants town to win this game. Playing incredibly safe. Inducts Palmer to his kill circle, rather than someone he suspects as scum. Rean Hardcore lurker. Previous games as town he becomes rather defensive when accusations are made against him, while this game he ignores them. His aggressiveness has taken a serious hit this game. Jackal58 Jackal has a distinctive aggressive town style. I haven't seen it this game. He has been either neutered or is scum. Torte de Lini Pretty useless so far. Strongly playing the newb card. Mataza I'm having a really hard time deciding between inexperienced player or obvious scum. Most of his posts I disagree with, but I'm not confidant a scum would ever post like this. bumatlarge Red or SK. Either way, I'd like to see him dead. Kurumi It is pretty likely he is the SK. He claims to intend to want to help town. I would be much more willing to trust him over bum. Wouldn't mind if he cut down his post frequency a bit though. Null Reads: Kenpachi Mig Meapak_Ziphh Barundar | ||
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I have to think there was a reason behind the meapak kill from the mafia. Either he was right about some mafia not claiming they were roleblocked and they didn't want it revealed or more likely tld is mafia and they didn't want meapak to tell the townies how to avoid his roleblocking power. So I am not 100% sure tld is mafia but his posting has been useless/if he is red it confirms GM as town/ and there could have been motivation to kill meapak to keep tld's role secret. Eh overall it isn't the strongest case, I definitely wouldn't say tld is 100% mafia but I would consider voting to lynch him if we can't find someone better after bum. Other than that red I think your list is pretty decent. But I am still pretty uncertain about a lot of people. The only people I feel confident in being town are red, palmar, cthsazsa, steff. | ||
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Bum straight up lied to us either about his role or about being roleblocked n1 and he is confirmed not town. He is the most obvious lynch of all time. | ||
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#Fistpound: Palmar But I would really ask that you confirm with town before you shoot someone. I would be willing to risk a bus, considering we haven't seen mafia use that power yet, to help prevent anymore townies being shot. I mean personally I don't think the mafia can bus. Since no one has said they created a bus role I would assume that then the mafia would have had to have the bus role + the bus role creator on their side. And we haven't seen the power in action yet. So I think it is a small risk for us to take. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:31 Eternalmisfit wrote: How do you know he was not saying the truth originally and not lying now. I am getting suspicious of redFF, and Mig providing fist-pounds to a claimed liar who has shot townies twice without thinking twice. PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T FIST-POUND PALMAR TILL tnkted CONFIRMS HIS ROLE AT-LEAST. Em use some common sense. Do you think Palmar would lie about his role while tnkted is still alive right now? Unless they were both mafia. So tnkted confirming it won't tell us anything. But personally I think palmar is town because he shot the mole and as long as he shoots the people we tell him instead of shooting off on his own then what is the problem? If he goes off on his own then we can always lynch if we think he is actually mafia. | ||
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And like I said if he doesn't shoot who we tell him then we just lynch him. I don't understand what the problem is? | ||
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Hm I am going to leave my vote on bum since he is confirmed anti town and I think there is a strong chance he lied at least once the last 2 days (either about being rbd or shooting Kurumi which makes it more likely to be mafia in my eyes). Palmar is looking worse and worse but I think we should have him shoot tld and if he doesn't we lynch him. If he is going to die anyway we should try to get some use out of him. Eh I won't say my vote is set tho I would be willing to consider lynching palmar. But I would prefer to vote bum who is 100% confirmed non town as long as palmar agrees to shoot tld. | ||
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But are people just ignoring dec's post where he said mafia knew who the mole was but not the alignment? This is incredibly important information! There is 0% chance the mafia shoot their own mole unless they knew that varp was police chief and just going by odds it is a lot less likely mafia knew his role. So did anyone make varp's role? If anyone will claim they made his role it should save palmar tonight. Since I doubt mafia would claim it now and directly link themselves to palmar. And does no one find it suspicious that we have a last minute vote change from someone who is confirmed 100% not town onto someone we are unsure of? Bum is once again claiming he will do anything he can to help the town, just like he has for the last 2 days, yet bum hasn't done a damn thing for the town. And we have the new information about not knowing mole alignments and yet no one before me was even trying to figure out who gave varp his role. Node in his will said for us to lynch bum asap. Bum is confirmed not town and has said repeatedly he would do whatever he could to help town yet he has done absolutely nothing. I mean I am just amazed that people keep finding other candidates to lynch over a confirmed non town who is bulletproof at night. So my vote is staying on bum and karshe should just put his bomb onto palmar tonight. Also cth wtf you said you couldn't find who gave sinani's role in the thread? I said like 3 times I was the one who gave him his role, I even copied the exact wording for it and gave my reasoning for asking the lynch question. Sinani asked to be killed n1 after only bc was dead assuming I am not lying about the role that I gave him he is 100% confirmed town because if he had been killed there wouldn't have been any mafia for him to revive. So in my eyes I know sinani is clearly town for everyone else you only have to worry that sinani is mafia if I am lying. If that is the case then you have 2 confirmed mafia and it is np anyway. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:25 deconduo wrote: Mafia were told the name of the mole(s) but not role | ||
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Lynch bum then just bomb palmar tonight. Then palmar can shoot tdl and if he flips red you still would know that redff is also mafia. But really at this point I think palmar is probably not mafia. | ||
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A bunch of people bandwagoned onto palmar last minute and are now choosing to ignore new information which goes against their previous reasoning. | ||
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Karshe of course red and palmar are linked wtf? Or is it the new mafia metagame for them to kill their most powerful members n1 just to buy town cred? Do you guys really think mafia would kill their mole unless they knew how strong Varps role was? | ||
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I really don't understand why Kurumi voted palmar when you have been fighting with bum the entire game but hopefully he will die tonight because of GM. If he doesn't I would be very suspicious of both of them. People need to be especially suspicious of jackal. He raged early game about killing useless townies then right before we kill palmar he quotes a post saying if palmar flips red it makes everything easier, great reasoning....... Kita called jackal scum before he died and jackal is a strong player. I would expect him to be playing more aggressively, making better decisions and actually help the town. He hasn't done any of those things. | ||
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Something else everyone needs to consider, hosts balance the teams in terms of skill so one side doesnt get crushed. Now look at the town deaths on our side. Kitaman, Meapak, BC, Node all good veteran players. Do you think decu balanced this game with just 1 good vet (wiggles) on the mafia side? Of course not. Between bum, jackal, GM, barundar at least one must be mafia and it is a lot more likely to be 2-3 of them. Kill bum first then Jackal or GM should be killed after. I would prefer jackal and I will write up a full case for it if I get home early enough. | ||
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And no it's not wifom GM. Go back and look through previous games and tell me I am not correct on how hosts balance most games. You and jackal have both played a lot of games how many full games have you seen with 1 vet and all noobs on the mafia team? I would guess never. As a vet and host you should know this. I know this is anecdotal but you guys are using the exact same arguments Kita used when I pegged him as GF last game. Who ever said I was good? You are just picking on a easy target. All your arguments are wifom blah blah blah. Hopefully db will come in here and back me up here since he played with me last game. The fact is you are both veteran players with strong reputations. GM you are known as possibly the most pro town player on TL. Yet you have contributed nothing to a pro town environment, instead you have several times promised strong analysis without actually providing any. You both are outspoken and have strong opinions when you think someone is scum and I have seen very little of that this game. And frankly you guys should be better than last minute switching away from a confirmed non town to a guy with obvious logical problems with him being mafia. Everything points to you guys being mafia. | ||
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I am fine with tdl lynch especially if there is a dt to back it. | ||
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And yea if Cth made desks role he is pretty much confirmed town in my eyes. Rean for your power can you check any list? If so you could check bums list for the last lynch and we will know exact mafia numbers. | ||
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No reason to use your dt on hiro when we can kill with palmar anyway | ||
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GM maybe town but him claiming rb def would not clear him. It is very common for mafia to fake claim rb and gms role is relatively weak for mafia anyway. So kill hiro check someone else on the list safest play all around. Also I am sad that I am probably going to die soon | ||
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Much better for the town if you just sacrifice Kurumi. | ||
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I am guessing I will die after night but rean I would honestly suggest maybe doing a vote check list on the people on bum during the palmar lynch. Because there may be more than 5 mafia and if so we will have an exact count if you check the bum list. Either way I would guess you will only have 1 check left because they will most likely kill em next then you so make sure it counts! | ||
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Hopefully hiro ends up being red then the palmar list and barundar will be cleared if not kill barundar then work through kurumi/jackal/gm/karshe. Probably best to lynch barundar then vig GM. If he isn't scum then next day lynch kurumi vig jackal. With Rean, EM, cth, red and whoever rean checks tonight all being near confirmed town should be almost impossible for town to lose but there has to be some reason that the mafia haven't ggd yet. If you get through the palmar list and are having trouble finding the last member remember that it is still possible that one of the mafia members is immune to alignment checks. | ||
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Don't quit palmar! You made a couple huge errors in shooting varp and chaos but you made the right decision when it really mattered and probably saved the town. | ||
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