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On June 03 2011 00:13 redFF wrote:
Sinani is not confirmed townie...We are making bum shoot him because if sinani is lying we only lose an sk and not a town player. Vigs should shoot MAtaza or Varpulis imo.
So yeah, we clearly don't agree.
I think sinani is telling the truth, and him getting shot by bum is just... meh.
I'm suspicious of bumatlarge, so I want to reveal info on him, which killing sinani206 won't do.
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I think he is telling the truth too, but he's no way confirmed town...
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2011 00:07 chaos13 wrote:Since nobody said I shouldn't, here are my notes on the game so far. I'll see you all sometime this evening. + Show Spoiler [Player Notes] +
*These are my personal thoughts so far. If you don't agree with them, deal with it. I'm not always right.*
Kurumi
-Usual erratic posting style, tough to analyze. Has actually been contributing in a meaningful way. Most likely town
Karshe
-Overwhelmed by size of game. Appears when called for lurking. Has since disappeared. Uncertain
Mr. Wiggles
-Uncertain
deskscaress
-Doesn't feel his role will be particularly useful. Strong personality. Could be either scum or town
GMarshal
-Defended Mataza when there was no real pressure on him. Contributing without contributing. When I point out his scumminess and vote him, he comes in with an excuse for being inactive over the next few weeks. Suspicious.
Palmar
-Disagrees with role claim, supports analysis. Strange fistpound thing with several players. Advocates shooting useless townies for information. Claims I am scum because I am giving off "maf vibes", but doesn't bother to provide any real evidence or analysis. Got around to posting actual analysis. It was rather weak, and mostly blamed me for posting fluff and spamming. Suggests a vigi shot on Mataza and Varpulis, as well as a DT check on Jackal58, three other players on my suspect list. This doesn't make sense if they are all scum. Possible third party. He doesn't quite fit town or scum. Suspicious.
Fistpound List
Returned offer by Palmar
GMarshal
Node
tnkted
Kurumi
sandroba
Offered it to Palmar without being asked
VisceraEyes
Mataza
Ignored invitation from Palmar
Amber[Light]
redFF
Meapak_Zipph
Eternalmisfit
DropBear
Eternalmisfit
-Inexperienced player. Attempting analysis, sometimes weak. Has good ideas when he's around, keeps discussion focused and on track. Most likely town.
sandroba
-Proposed claiming who we created roles for. Reacted strongly to pressure, but after initial scumminess has not done anything strange. Plan would probably not have been put forward by mafia, as it draws too much attention. Overall not giving me a scummy feel. Too few of his posts are suspicious Most likely town
kitaman27
-Mildly aggressive. Contributing more than in XXXIX, where he was scum. Not as accusatory as in XXXIX. Most likely town.
Kenpachi
-Uncertain
Tackster
-Minimalist contributor. Reiterated what other players had already said. Lurked, made one large post. Claimed he had a migraine and is getting sick as excuses for not posting. Post was fluff at first glance, but on closer examination revealed some helpful comments and opinions. Upon re-reading his posts, he has actually added some good input. Role claimed Most likely town.
Varpulis
-Agrees with a variation of sandroba's idea. Has been targeted by many players who feel he is scummy. When multiple players are jumping on one it often leads to scum. Uncertain-possible scum
tnkted
-Strange style of play. Unique role allows (requires?) him to vote for players outside the game. Posting has improved in quality. Some question about it still. Uncertain
hiro protagonist
-New player, not being obvious. Uncertain
redFF
-Claims role will not be useful. Mason-type role. Lying scum or dumb townie. Not up to usual standards. Posting has drastically improved in quality. Good contributions. Most likely town.
sinani206
-Called for hit on him, saying that something good for town would happen. Town
Node
-Good posts. Has defended me. Has been pro-town, but in a way that feels somewhat cautious to me. Very soft defense of GM when I asked for his thoughts. Defended me when Palmar called for a vigi hit without analysis. The way he is playing I am uncertain. His posting is pro-town, but it feels far too thought-out to be a townies. Will be keeping an eye on him. Uncertain.
bumatlarge
-Encouraging discussion and analysis. Claims SK type role as Joker. Either third party or scum.
Mataza
-Claims role will not be useful. Defended by GMarshal and Palmar after little pressure. Posting does not feel pro-town. Suspicious
Mig
-Lurker. Uncertain
VisceraEyes
-New player. Radical accusations and ideas. Scum team would control his posting more. Most likely town.
Amber[LighT]
-Ridiculous role restriction. Possibly fake. No way to analyze. Quoted several posts with symbols for his opinion of them. Is unsure of me, sees posts that could lead me to either scum or town, thinks Jackal is town, really thinks Sandroba is scum. Voted Sandroba. For such an inconvenient post restriction he is really trying to contribute. Most likely town.
BloodyC0bbler
-Very aggressive player. Stated by many to be pro-town. Experienced player. Possible scum
Torte de Lini
-New player. Lurker. Has a history of being extremely active that is not displayed. Possible option for new scum player Uncertain
Cthsazsa
-Uncertain
Barundar
-Lurker. Experienced player Uncertain
Meapak_Ziphh
-Aggressive player, encourages discussion. Genuine deliberation over me, came to the conclusion that I'm town. Has consistently been pro-town. Most likely town.
DropBear
-Uncertain
prplhz
-New player, seems inexperienced. Would have great difficulty pulling off scum. Most likely town
stefftastiq
-New player. Attempting analysis. Most likely town
Rean
-Few posts. Feels has been contributing when he has put little forward. I often do the same as town, I am more likely to pay attention to how much I am contributing as scum. Most likely town.
Jackal58
-Usual aggressive play. Tunneling on me, but Jackal always tunnels. Posting feels scummy. Hasn't really contributed. Voted Sandroba without providing reasons. Suspicious
TOWN
-Meapak_Ziphh
-prplhz
-Rean
-Amber[LighT]
-Tackster
-redFF
-Sandroba
-sinani206
-EternalMisfit
-Kurumi
SUSPICIOUS
-GMarshal
-Mataza
-Jackal58
-Palmar
-Varpulis
*This list is not 100% correct, or mafia is making some crazy plays here. Mataza, Jackal, and Palmar can not be on a scum team together, there has been too much conflict/calling for vigi/DT's by Palmar. I would hazard a guess that 1-3 of these names are correctly identifying scum.
THIRD PARTY
UNCERTAIN
-Karshe
-Kurumi
-Mr. Wiggles
-deskscaress
-Eternalmisfit
-sandroba
-kitaman27
-Kenpachi
-tnkted
-hiro protagonist
-Node
-bumatlarge
-Mig
-Torte de Lini
-Cthsazsa
-Barundar
-DropBear
-stefftastiq
CLAIMED MASON CIRCLE
-Jackal58 (claimed BC as well)
-bumatlarge
-Others
ZODIAC LIST
bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
GMarshal
Meapak_Ziphh
DropBear
Node
Jackal58
kitaman27
Rean
Mr. Wiggles
tnkted
I do appreciate the time and effort you spent putting this together. It's all bullshit but I really do appreciate the time and effort you put into it.
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Sorry I haven't been as active as I would have liked. I've been doing my best to keep up with the thread, but finding time to actually post worthy posts has been difficult.
I'm a day late but it's a bummer of what happened to BC. That said, I do not support any plan designed to bring him back into the game. As others have said, there is a lot that can go wrong with that plan, and his power is only mediocre (can potentially save mafia, loses his power completely if Bum dies). Obviously having a 100% confirmed towny would be a great asset for us, hopefully we will get more information on some alignments after tonight.
I am most suspicious of Varpulis at the moment, but Palmar has just written a great write up of him which I completely agree with. So, for the sake of time, I will sheep instead of parrot and give Palmar a thumbs up (but not a fistpound, sorry bro.) I realize this makes a terrible townie, but this has been a busy week, so time-wise there's not a whole lot I can provide at the moment.
On my lunch I will be going over yesterdays posts to see if I find anything that hasn't been brought up yet.
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On June 02 2011 09:46 deskscaress wrote:hey deconduo, assuming sinani is telling the truth and he will try to revive BC, what will happen to BC is he is revived AFTER bum is killed? is his "retirement" clause then null since he had nothing to do with bum's death?my idea: don't kill sinani tonight lynch bum tomorrow resurrect BC tomorrow night via killing sinani boom, BC is back with no clauses to put him away either way i think we should lynch bum tomorrow because he is not town. sorry bum 
quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive
also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread.
DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Holy snap this is 69 pages already?
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On June 03 2011 03:57 flamewheel wrote:
Holy snap this is 69 pages already?
I heard there's spammer somewhere,not sure where.
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United States22154 Posts
So, I'm not caught up yet and don't have time to read everything, so I speed skimmed the thread.
Does no one doubt bum's SK claim? I know I do, its pretty much the only claim that would let him live if he were mafia.
Resurrecting BC would be great. Beware of busdrivers and similar roles however.
Thats pretty much all the time I have right now, gargantuan post coming tomorrow if i'm still alive, not coming if I'm dead.
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Has deadline of sending action been reached?
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On June 03 2011 03:57 flamewheel wrote:
Holy snap this is 69 pages already?
You're telling me. Nice Rapidash, btw
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I CAN'T GET THOSE FUCKING NUMBERS OUT OF MY HEAD
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Long day at work, skimming thread now to see any questions before adding up the night actions.
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On June 03 2011 04:43 Kurumi wrote:
Has deadline of sending action been reached?
Yes, as of now.
On June 03 2011 03:18 deskscaress wrote:
hey deconduo, assuming sinani is telling the truth and he will try to revive BC, what will happen to BC is he is revived AFTER bum is killed? is his "retirement" clause then null since he had nothing to do with bum's death?
Can't be answered without revealing information on roles.
Also. just a reminder to people that you are not allowed harass people about not posting outside of this thread. You can do it all you want in the thread however.
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Oh guys,remember when Joker said that he and the Batman can't exist without each other? Yeah.
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I'm starting writing last will guys,it all adds up nicely,eh. Not cool,not cool.
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On June 03 2011 03:18 deskscaress wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 09:46 deskscaress wrote:hey deconduo, assuming sinani is telling the truth and he will try to revive BC, what will happen to BC is he is revived AFTER bum is killed? is his "retirement" clause then null since he had nothing to do with bum's death?my idea: don't kill sinani tonight lynch bum tomorrow resurrect BC tomorrow night via killing sinani boom, BC is back with no clauses to put him away either way i think we should lynch bum tomorrow because he is not town. sorry bum quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread. DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION
Yeah he's posted a cooking blog and streamed for several hours but not had time to contribute to this game really at all. Start posting your thoughts torte!!!
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Just in case I die tonight:
Compare Palmar this game to Palmar in SNM2 where he was scum. His current playstyle reminds me a lot of that, including conditional voting.
You might need to look hard for conditional voting, but I think he did at some point. Something like "Bro, I switch my vote to xx when he gets 2 more votes first"
As for meta judgment on other players from snm2, Prplhz behaves different(bad sign), Karshe seems to behave about the same(good sign), and hiro seems to be a lot more active(good sign).
For day2 I would advise to get a grip on how many kp and misinformation roles are out there. For example, Bum obviously has kp and kurumi claimed to have kp too.
If Bum did not shoot at Sinani tonight, he should definitely die.
Hope to see you tomorrow.
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On June 03 2011 05:44 Mataza wrote:
conditional voting.
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On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff
So conditional voting is scummy but when you do it its ok...
SHOOT HIM PLEASE THIS GUY HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING IN HIS LAST TOWN GAME HE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO CONTRIBUTE. HE HAS DONE JACK SHIT ALL GAME AND NEEDS TO DIE CUZ HES SCUM....
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