EPTOn June 02 2011 13:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
*barks loudly*
*barks loudly*
Is this just a general bark of unhappiness?
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Node
United States2159 Posts
Is this just a general bark of unhappiness? | ||
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sinani206
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I wanna go back to the lynch real quick though, I'm convinced one of the three candidates (before the viseyes debacle) is scum. There's really no other reason why the votes should be that close. Now we all know who I think is scum (and the fact that he weasled out of the lynch only reenforces this thought). However I'll accept the possibility that I'm wrong enough to say that all the top lynch nominees would be really good dt checks tonight. Another good dt check would be prplhz. Medics would do well protecting dropbear and node. Vigis should hold their fire, we've got so much useless finger pointing going on right now it really muddied the waters for the scum to hide beneath bad town play. Real quick I wanna say I'll be gone all day tomorrow but I'll have my thoughts on the day by 11PM PST. Oh and Jackal I feel your pain, I know your play enough to say I have a fairly town read on you atm. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.fanserviceftw.com/gallery/_images/b936d6d6247faccc87e36d805ef60282/3879%20-%20animated_gif%20chuck_norris%20dodgeball%20thumbs_up.gif) On June 02 2011 06:03 deconduo wrote: "You are the Goddamn Batman. You are the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire. Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment. Your Arch-Nemesis, the Joker, is bumatlarge. He knows who you are but can not cause your death. You may not reveal his role nor can he reveal yours. If he dies, you will retire from your life of fighting crime, satisfied that the city is safe." | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
It makes it a crapshoot whether bum actually blocks in a pro town way. The mafia will just wait till the last second to send in their kills. It means town KP has to scrape close to the deadline as well, running the risk that it doesn't get counted (same for scum there's a team of them who can send in kills, townies are on their own so it's harder). All in all the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Wait, so you're saying it's good that he can save Mafia? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On June 02 2011 14:38 sinani206 wrote: Wait, so you're saying it's good that he can save Mafia? Yeah Not only that he blocks town KP if it's first. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I guess we're saying the same thing. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
1. Bum who claims SK. 2. sina who claims to be able to bring back BC if he gets shot. Without knowing much about it, I guess you pick a dead guy who will replace you if you die during the night? 3. Only reason not to have bum shoot sina is if sina gets roleblocked so he dies without reviving BC. Having BC, who is one of the best players on this forum, back as a confirmed green, would be a freaking huge asset to the town, and the fact that random vigi’s would maybe have their shot blocked because he comes back is a shit argument against it. Best solution would be to have watcher roles watching sina. If mafia tries to roleblock sina, we get a mafia. I know we can’t be sure if we have any watcher roles, but neither can mafia. Question is if they want to risk one of their own just to stop BC from coming back. I say we go for it, and let mafia shit in their pants about the choice tonight. Lastly I’m most inclined to agree with Kita, there is no reason for us to believe Bum is not scum. He is an excellent choice for a DT check tonight, so we can deal with him tomorrow. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On June 02 2011 07:51 Mig wrote: Vets like barundar who are not contributing should be focused on. Wait what? Who the fuck are you? I searched on your name and the last post was on page 28. If you want to bring weak fingerpointing like that you have better done your homework, I bet you haven't even read half my posts. Nice job parroting Node as well btw. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:05 Barundar wrote: Wait what? Who the fuck are you? I searched on your name and the last post was on page 28. If you want to bring weak fingerpointing like that you have better done your homework, I bet you haven't even read half my posts. Nice job parroting Node as well btw.[/QUOTE] lol barundar I even said in my post people who had been lurking like I had. And it wasn't weak finger pointing. Did I call you scum? No I said people should pay close attention to the people lurking (especially the vets) because in the current environment it would be very easy for mafia to lurk without being notice. Little bit of an overreaction if you ask me. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
You popped up and actually said something that could either be a stupid comment by a town, or a weak character stab from a mafia. Either case, I'm not going to let it slip by. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
There is no point in cluttering the thread so I won't discuss it again unless there is something specific that needs to be addressed about it. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
If anyone has a role that can reveal who visits Sinani tonight, do that. The point is, even if Bloodycobbler comes back and we kill Bum and Cobbler is only a vanilla townie, we should still do it. Town play happens during day and you don´t need a role for it. In other words, Bloodycobbler as Vanilla town is still a bigger help than most other townies. Make it happen, Bum. Also, while we´re here. @Chaos13 Is it accurate that you have a funny hat a cigar and a submachine gun? If your answer is no then Palmar is imho lying about his rolecheckpower. And that would mean we still don´t know what Palmar fistpound power does. To quote Karshe, he could have a brofistdeathray for all we know. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
First of all sinani is pretty much confirmed town right now so mafia will have to kill him sooner or later and then he can bring back BC. Second I want bum to kill prplhz or if he dissagrees make sure to fucking hit scum otherwise he's lynched next day. We have no way to be sure how many kp mafia has so bum HAS to anounce who he's hitting before the end of the night so we can confirm it. Bum, your win condition is to be the last man standing?? That's a fucking impossible win condition pretty much since you are outed as soon as batman is killed and you cannot kill batman. How the fuck do you win? I'm not fucking buying it in the slightest. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
The bro's guide to night 1, tl;dr version. Table of contents: 1. Varpulis is scum 2. Why Bumatlarge should kill Varpulis 3. Chaos13 is scum 4. Why node needs to be checked. 5. Why tnkted needs to be checked. 6. Mataza: the road to insanity ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Varpulis is scum Allright, let's do this. Varpulis didn't have the best start of the game, me being awesome led to me creating a comprehensive analysis of him. Here's a link to it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9490283 But of course the bitch tried to fix his shit, so let's have a look at what he got going now. Also, note that he has almost as many posts before my analysis and after it, even though much more time passed. He has a lot of posts (can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Varpulis&gb=date ) but almost none of it got any content. I aint gonna be taking spam for contribution. That just aint how things work around here bro. Here are some examples of his posting. On May 31 2011 09:11 Varpulis wrote: We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate. Amber, is RedFF pming you? Not contributing. On May 31 2011 09:48 Varpulis wrote: Who is this Vamp person and why is everybody voting for him? On-topic, I think that we should wait a day or two before lynching our communal pet. He most likely has a night ability, so we might as well keep him around. We shouldn't be discussing just me and tnkted. There are other players too! Cthsazsa, what do you think of the current situation, apart from RedFF & amber? More questions, not contributing. On May 31 2011 13:19 Varpulis wrote: I'm going to sleep soon, but before then, a handy list of players who aren't contributing, for later reference.
There are a bunch of people who haven't contributed much, but these guys haven't contributed at all, really. All of them need to tell us what they're thinking and why. Posting once in a while saying "i'm here" doesn't make you any more helpful. Any additions/changes to the list? I probably missed something. Oh, thanks a bunch bro, you made a list of inactives. What an astounding contribution to the thread. On June 01 2011 06:49 Varpulis wrote: Claims are bad. We already discussed this, didn't we? Both sandroba's idea and mine got shot down fast because claiming plans either benefit the mafia or are too easily manipulated. I'm back, and feeling slightly more assertive. Nobody fistbump Palmar. We still have no clue what it does, and he seems to have plenty already. Will make an actually substantial post as soon as I'm fully caught up. Oh wait, you gonna fix your posting now bro? Why didn't you start already, instead of pointing out useless shit, not contributing and claiming you're "feeling more assertive". Anyway, here's his claim to fame: On June 01 2011 09:00 Varpulis wrote: scratch tnkted. Most of the "scumtells" i found were just him doing weird shit like telling people not to fistpound Palmar then doing it himself, or voting for Coag. In my searches for scummy tnkted posts, however, I found somebody worth looking at. Rean I'm going to summarize what he's been doing in 4 words, for those of you who don't seem to like reading. blending in and lurking. He's been making posts, sure, but has yet to make any contributions of note, or any effort to do so. His constructive, useful posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:33 Rean wrote: Oh yes, genius idea, let's tell mafia who they should shoot so they can get away with fake-claiming ANYTHING THEY CAN IMAGINE. shooting down a terrible plan, fine. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote: Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now. As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea. The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do. Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious. This is less fine. Makes assumptions, and tells us that organization is bad. The only good part in this post is the LAL opinion. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 22:55 Rean wrote: It's irrelevant how long they have been playing, they have to be contributing. I have been doing so this game, don't see him doing anything that's not "sup guys dont mind me im a newbie ^^". As for thoughts on other players: tnkted is indeed acting weird but it seems to be something with his role providing him protection from being lynched that triggers this behavior. Some others players (barundar/torte/kenpachi/others i cant remember atm) are lurking/being useless in general. Not good. This was his response to being called out for lurking. Claiming contributions, defending tnkted with assumptions, then listing other lurkers and saying that they're bad. Bad post, not helpful. Based off of this alone, I'd be willing to start pressuring Rean, but there's more. he decides to vote for Coag (who is not playing) because he thinks that tnkted has even more conjectured powers, and that it'd be interesting to see what happens. Don't do this, please. Oh yeah, and this most recent string of posts discussing Kurumi's posting style. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? On June 01 2011 06:13 Rean wrote: ebwop: i just checked the thread again, there's not a single you, your or you're that doesn't have the capital Y. That is VERY weird. I'd guess his role forces him to talk like that for some reason, but i'm not sure what that'd be :/ On June 01 2011 06:28 Rean wrote: Okay, looking back at XXXIX it seems like he just has a bad understanding of when to use capital letters. Weird, but not scummy. Let's dismiss it for now. Waste of our time and just spamming the thread. Don't do this either. I like how he checks through the thread to see Kurumi's posting style, not to find scum. In conclusion: Rean needs to be more helpful and Pro-town. He has no excuse not to, unlike Torte(who also needs to step up his game). I'm sticking a vote on him until he does. This analysis is weak. It's certainly valid, but really. You call that being assertive? I almost read that "In conclusion" part out loud in an old woman's voice. How about you grow some balls and fucking accuse whoever you're after. Don't be so damn passive. I mean, I could write almost the same shit about 10 people in the thread. He even does one of them for me: On June 01 2011 10:18 Varpulis wrote: For good measure... Tackster I don't like people who pretend to be helpful. Tackster is doing just that. He has 3 posts. In this situation, a post-by-post analysis should suffice. Post 1: States the obvious and says what everybody else has been saying, and reminds us that he's playing. ...*great post* /sarcasm Monster post of him rambling on about theories and vague possibilities. This really says nothing at all, and just seems to be a big post for the sake of being a big post. Tackster is capable of being very active and helpful, and his lack of contributions makes me suspicious. Hence, a vote! Yeah, it's kinda ok, but it's just too vague. Here's Varpulis saying some more obvious shit: On June 01 2011 12:51 Varpulis wrote: No. This is just a waste of time. Guess who is guilty of thread derailment? Question 2 looks like a medic looking for advice or scum wanting to know who to hit. Question 3 has been discussed to death, and questions 4-7 are moderately scummy at best. I guess you should be taking note of me now? He also tells Mataza why his shit is all stupid a few times, which is fine, considering Mataza's shit is generally quite silly. And finally he switches to VisEyes for very shitty reasoning: On June 02 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote: I'm on the fence about VisceraEyes. Either he's scum and doing a poor job of it or town and doing a terrible job of it. I'm not going to go post by post because I don't have time to make a well organized post (20 min till lynch, want to give people time to respond), but in bullet point form:
There may be more, but I'm in a hurry. Thoughts? At this point, he seems more scummy to me than Tackster, if Tackster agrees to step it up if we don't lynch him. Don't let this guy get away guys. He's still the most scummy person we got in this town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Why Bumatlarge should shoot Varpulis How cool is it to outsource the problems bros! Fuck yeah let's do it. We aint got no proof that Bumatlarge isn't some damn mafia scum, so I wanna roll with him shooting Varpulis. Varpulis is at best a really bad and useless townie (although jackal58 is kinda right about no townie being useless), but I doubt him, he's a bitch, a non-baller and a scum. So let's get Bumatlarge to work against his will: On June 02 2011 06:52 bumatlarge wrote: Get 8 people to say Kill: chaose13, then I will. This means he DOESN'T want to kill chaos, he knows I won't get the support fast enough, clever bro. He also seems to have no problem killing Mataza. Show your support to this idea using this: Bumatlarge: Kill Varpulis And don't worry about Bum, other assassins will take care of that bro. But we must get him to pound Varpulis's face into the ground to prove he's not scum himself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Why Chaos13 is scum Here's the thing, I started thinking chaos13 was a cool bro, worthy of keeping around because he made sound calls like this: On May 31 2011 05:31 chaos13 wrote: 1. This will not help us clear up confusion 2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone. 3. Do not mass roleclaim. 4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim. But let's look at some more stuff by him. I like people who call bullshit, but people who abuse lurkers and newbies to call bullshit on everything to gain town credit are useless. Just read through his damn post history... it's a disaster. First thing I noticed: Why do you care... the bro's got like 2 votes on him. Instead of complaining how about contributing your own analysis. All your posts up until this point aint got nothing in them except directions on how to play, not actually playing. On May 31 2011 08:17 chaos13 wrote: I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go. On May 31 2011 08:30 chaos13 wrote: I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list. Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well. More defenses. If you think he's town, you ignore me, and provide a better alternative. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and vaguely, and very damn carefully claim you're kinda suspicious-y. Stop being useless, man up and give me something to work with if you don't want me to lynch Varpulis On May 31 2011 08:31 chaos13 wrote: And he has a decent defense, so far at least. Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal? Good post bro. On May 31 2011 09:26 chaos13 wrote: redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on. This leads me to think you might be scum. redFF scum, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it. -redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2 redFF scum, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue redFF town, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however. -redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie. redFF town, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly So, to sum up my thoughts: 1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow. 2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role. 3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them. yay, you get logic. hi5 bro. Everyone knew this, stop posting fluff. nice contradiction bro. This is still less scummy than most things you've done in the thread. On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote: tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? Questions, useless one liners and pointing out the obvious is almost the entire thing chaos13 has done this game. Here's the best analysis in the game by jackal: On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote: GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why? While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far. This is your biggest piece of analysis so far: Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here? The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them. Nice job calling out GM, at least he's not spamming the thread like you are. thing is, you haven't contributed for shit either. You're fluff-posting, that's damn sure, but nothing you say is of any real value to this game in particular. On June 01 2011 10:17 chaos13 wrote: I think Tackster is definitely a good candidate for a lynch. He lurks, posts some brief thoughts that don't really give away much information, and then provides another excuse for leaving again. I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players. Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching. As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful. kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal? Stop asking questions and being useless. Seriously, I aint gonna go through more of his shit and quote it here. Do it yourselves. This guy hasn't contributed shit to the game, he's posting oneliners, fluff, advice on how to play, going after lurkers and stating obvious shit. This guy is a scum trying to be pro town. Can we please just agree on it? I don't mind, shoot him or check him, but this bro aint no good guy. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Why Node needs to be checked. I'll be brief. Node is a clever bro, but he's making some weird calls this game. I don't feel it's quite right, so I'd like him cleared so I can work with him. If any cop can clear Node he should claim in the thread, and call him cleared, cause that bro is very useful as town, but he's also not acting as good as I'd expect. So yeah, please clear him, he'll sure love to be cleared himself. Unless.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 Why tnkted needs to be checked. Cause he claimed an invulnerable role. Let's just check him and make sure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Mataza: the road to insanity Righto, this bro sometimes posts stupid shit. I was mafia in SNMMII and his silly ideas and bad posting helped me convince the town that he needed to be lynched. I'm not about to make the same mistake. Mataza is in his own words "a gambler", and he likes taking risks. Those risks are generally pretty damn insane. I prefer ignore Mataza over killing him. He's certainly hardly worth a DT check or a kill tonight. 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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 02 2011 18:05 Mataza wrote: Bum: Kill Sinani If anyone has a role that can reveal who visits Sinani tonight, do that. The point is, even if Bloodycobbler comes back and we kill Bum and Cobbler is only a vanilla townie, we should still do it. Town play happens during day and you don´t need a role for it. In other words, Bloodycobbler as Vanilla town is still a bigger help than most other townies. Make it happen, Bum. Also, while we´re here. @Chaos13 Is it accurate that you have a funny hat a cigar and a submachine gun? If your answer is no then Palmar is imho lying about his rolecheckpower. And that would mean we still don´t know what Palmar fistpound power does. To quote Karshe, he could have a brofistdeathray for all we know. Just to note, I never said I could rolecheck anyone, you're just insane bro. I can't fucking rolecheck, now help yourself and stop posting. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 02 2011 06:50 Palmar wrote: You have a funny hat and a cigar, and you're holding a submachine gun. There, my analysis. Kill him please. Either that is the result of your check or its outright dumb. If you say its not a rolecheck, then please explain yourself. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
damn it Mataza. | ||
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Remember Insane 2? Think we can hit 50 pages by night 1?
