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stefftastiq
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway205 Posts
June 02 2011 10:16 GMT
#1341
@Mataza @Palmar

lol, even I got that joke :-D
victory not vengeance
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 02 2011 11:43 GMT
#1342
Show your support for my plan guys!

Bumatlarge: Kill Varpulis
Computer says mafia
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
June 02 2011 12:55 GMT
#1343
On June 02 2011 11:37 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 11:33 redFF wrote:Sinani why did you bloody claim -_-


I am going to repeat this, because there have been several who have claimed, including you and Kurumi. Granted, Kurumi's was a softclaim, but he confirmed it moments later.


DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.

DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.

IT DOES NOT HELP US.

IT HELPS MAFIA.

DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.


I feel that required caps lock.


On June 02 2011 06:43 chaos13 wrote:At the very least my death will be better than a different townies. One of you out there knows why.

You'll still be killing a townie though.


Softclaims then tells everyone not to claim...
Contradictions
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1344
My response to Palmer's accusation. Thanks for actually writing something up instead of your oneliner FoS's.


+ Show Spoiler +

On June 02 2011 18:30 Palmar wrote:
3. Why Chaos13 is scum

Here's the thing, I started thinking chaos13 was a cool bro, worthy of keeping around because he made sound calls like this:


Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 05:31 chaos13 wrote:
On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.


1. This will not help us clear up confusion
2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone.
3. Do not mass roleclaim.
4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim.


But let's look at some more stuff by him. I like people who call bullshit, but people who abuse lurkers and newbies to call bullshit on everything to gain town credit are useless. Just read through his damn post history... it's a disaster.

First thing I noticed:

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On May 31 2011 07:54 chaos13 wrote:
On May 31 2011 07:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Voting varp cause he's scum.


Where's your evidence?


Why do you care... the bro's got like 2 votes on him. Instead of complaining how about contributing your own analysis. All your posts up until this point aint got nothing in them except directions on how to play, not actually playing.


So you want me to stop fostering discussion and trying to get people to actually contribute their thoughts to the game? When someone states that they're voting for a player without giving a reason, it's not a very pro-town move. I want to make sure that everyone explains their thoughts clearly in the thread so the rest of town can evaluate them and provide their own input. I don't see how this is scummy.


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On May 31 2011 08:17 chaos13 wrote:
I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go.


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On May 31 2011 08:30 chaos13 wrote:
On May 31 2011 08:26 Eternalmisfit wrote:Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff.


I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list.

Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well.


More defenses.

If you think he's town, you ignore me, and provide a better alternative. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and vaguely, and very damn carefully claim you're kinda suspicious-y. Stop being useless, man up and give me something to work with if you don't want me to lynch Varpulis

I said earlier, I'm doing all my thinking in the thread, because it always leads me to more accurate conclusions. I'm still not sold either way on Varpulis. Deal with it.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 08:31 chaos13 wrote:
And he has a decent defense, so far at least.

Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal?


Good post bro.

It was. I asked a player whose alignment I was unsure of a direct question in order to get him to contribute his thoughts on a player I was suspicious of.

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On May 31 2011 09:26 chaos13 wrote:
redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on.

This leads me to think you might be scum.


redFF scum, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it.

-redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2

redFF scum, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue

redFF town, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however.
-redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie.

redFF town, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly

So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow.
2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role.
3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them.


yay, you get logic. hi5 bro.

Everyone knew this, stop posting fluff.

You would be surprised how easy it is to overlook one of these scenarios. I write them down and post them because then if my ideas are stupid, people can tell me they're stupid and I move on. Sharing my thoughts and opinion is not scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:35 chaos13 wrote:
I'm just going to completely ignore Amber, because a dogspeak role is absolutely useless and we've wasted a lot of time talking about it. He could easily be a mafia who saw that someone decided he had a post restriction, and started distracting us with it.



On May 31 2011 09:30 chaos13 wrote:
Amber, will you be forced to post like this the whole game, or at some point will you be able to speak normally?


nice contradiction bro. This is still less scummy than most things you've done in the thread.

Opinions change. People told me my ideas on Amber were stupid, so I moved on. It took me some time to realize how he could be useful to us. At the time of the first post Amber was the point of discussion for a few pages, and nothing useful was happening. At the time of the second, we had organized a bit and my question was more helpful.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote:
tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation?


Questions, useless one liners and pointing out the obvious is almost the entire thing chaos13 has done this game.

Coag is not even in the game. You expect me to let that go by without questioning it??

Here's the best analysis in the game by jackal:

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 12:12 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated

What does everyone think of this?

I think you're scum.


Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote:
GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why?





While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far.

This is your biggest piece of analysis so far:
On May 31 2011 10:58 GMarshal wrote:
##Vote: Torte de Lini for someone who is supposed to be super active the only thing he has done is play the noob card. Step up your game man.

Who do you think looks scummiest right now and why?

Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here?

The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them.


Nice job calling out GM, at least he's not spamming the thread like you are. thing is, you haven't contributed for shit either. You're fluff-posting, that's damn sure, but nothing you say is of any real value to this game in particular.

You must be right. It's not as if several players have already stated that they feel I am pro-town and have been actively trying to contribute. I have been doing my best to keep discussion on track and productive, I have shared my thoughts on players, if I felt a player was scummy, I posted an explanation of why. Nothing about that is fluff or spam.

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 10:17 chaos13 wrote:
I think Tackster is definitely a good candidate for a lynch. He lurks, posts some brief thoughts that don't really give away much information, and then provides another excuse for leaving again.
I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players.
Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching.

As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful.

kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal?


Stop asking questions and being useless.

Seriously, I aint gonna go through more of his shit and quote it here. Do it yourselves. This guy hasn't contributed shit to the game, he's posting oneliners, fluff, advice on how to play, going after lurkers and stating obvious shit.

Nah, I've contributed, my oneliners have been brief and far between, as well as far less frequent than some other players. Advice on how to play is good for some of the new players, lurkers are a good group to go after (and I think I've only been after Karshe and Tackster as it is, I've focused more on actives) and anything obvious is my own thoughts as I sort things out. I have a tendency to take a while to get to a good conclusion, and I need others input on my ideas or they end up being detrimental to what I actually want to happen.

This guy is a scum trying to be pro town. Can we please just agree on it?

I don't mind, shoot him or check him, but this bro aint no good guy.




chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#1345
red, that post wasn't a softclaim. It really doesn't hint at what my roles like. Trust me.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 02 2011 13:10 GMT
#1346
On June 02 2011 18:18 sandroba wrote:
Sorry but I have to dissagree with the kill sinani plan.
First of all sinani is pretty much confirmed town right now so mafia will have to kill him sooner or later and then he can bring back BC.
Second I want bum to kill prplhz or if he dissagrees make sure to fucking hit scum otherwise he's lynched next day. We have no way to be sure how many kp mafia has so bum HAS to anounce who he's hitting before the end of the night so we can confirm it. Bum, your win condition is to be the last man standing?? That's a fucking impossible win condition pretty much since you are outed as soon as batman is killed and you cannot kill batman. How the fuck do you win? I'm not fucking buying it in the slightest.

Fear of the unknown? Or fear of bringing BC back into the game? Either way it's nice to know that the scum team is confirming Sinani isn't one of them.
Shoot Sinani Bum. Or you could shoot this piece of scum right here. Don't really care. Just call your shot right before Day post goes up. Don't pull a fucking repeat of the RPGs on us Bum.
Life can only kill you once.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 02 2011 14:12 GMT
#1347
Alright, I've been debating this for a while now. Since it is likely that I will die tonight, either from vigi or mafia, I'm considering posting all my notes on the game so far. I would have to do it within the next hour, as I won't be here around the Day post.

Pros:
-When I flip, town has the thoughts of a confirmed town player

Cons:
-Potential for WIFOM arguments as to why I died
-Could alter mafia targets for the worse

If nobody says anything within the next hour, I will post them. If enough people tell me not to, I will not post them. I really don't want all these to go to waste, and I think there is a good chance that I will be killed tonight.

Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 02 2011 14:14 GMT
#1348
Sandroba,thanks bro. You're dying. Bum take out Sinani,I am ok with that.
Why are You suggesting to kill prplhz? Maybe he's unkillable? Oh,that would make sense to vote on his death,prplhz does not die,bum is lynched.. So easy. Sorry guys for switching vote on Viscera,Sandroba was scummier.
My Mafia list:
Sandroba,he's 100%
Prlphz,he's 100%
Palmar
Meapak_Ziphh
Town reads are as obvious as BC's green blood,You know who they are.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
June 02 2011 14:19 GMT
#1349
I'm also starting to get suspicious of palmar. Yes, thats all I'm saying, its a gut read.


And I also agree with jackals post. You guys should all read it again.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
June 02 2011 14:23 GMT
#1350
Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!).
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 02 2011 14:24 GMT
#1351
On June 02 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!).

You freaking Necrophiliac,why bring crazy bodies again into our game.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 02 2011 14:27 GMT
#1352
@Kurumi

I think someone said that you roleclaimed at some point, but I don't remember that and I'm not going through that cesspool that is your posts again to find it. So did you roleclaim, and if you did, could you repeat what you said or link me to it?

I am very confused about you.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#1353
On June 02 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!).

It's night time Twinkles. Although that may be the appropriate time to vote for a Zombie.
Life can only kill you once.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#1354
On June 02 2011 23:27 prplhz wrote:
@Kurumi

I think someone said that you roleclaimed at some point, but I don't remember that and I'm not going through that cesspool that is your posts again to find it. So did you roleclaim, and if you did, could you repeat what you said or link me to it?

I am very confused about you.

No scum,do it Yourself.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
June 02 2011 14:47 GMT
#1355
On June 02 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!).

It's night time Twinkles. Although that may be the appropriate time to vote for a Zombie.


oh ha! i forgot about that. I didn't want to forget.
#unvote
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 02 2011 14:58 GMT
#1356
I'm going to shoot sinani, I don't see any real pro-town reason why I wouldn't. You guys need all the help you can get and, and I think a confirmed town BC is the best thing you can ask for. Plus, that might make it fun for me.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 02 2011 15:04 GMT
#1357
Good job bros.

We think sinani is town, so now bum shoots him without having to give any information about his alignment, I'm not buying this shit.

Tell a bitch to shoot Varpulis.
Computer says mafia
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 02 2011 15:07 GMT
#1358
Since nobody said I shouldn't, here are my notes on the game so far. I'll see you all sometime this evening.

+ Show Spoiler [Player Notes] +

*These are my personal thoughts so far. If you don't agree with them, deal with it. I'm not always right.*

Kurumi
-Usual erratic posting style, tough to analyze. Has actually been contributing in a meaningful way. Most likely town

Karshe
-Overwhelmed by size of game. Appears when called for lurking. Has since disappeared. Uncertain

Mr. Wiggles
-Uncertain

deskscaress
-Doesn't feel his role will be particularly useful. Strong personality. Could be either scum or town


GMarshal
-Defended Mataza when there was no real pressure on him. Contributing without contributing. When I point out his scumminess and vote him, he comes in with an excuse for being inactive over the next few weeks. Suspicious.


Palmar
-Disagrees with role claim, supports analysis. Strange fistpound thing with several players. Advocates shooting useless townies for information. Claims I am scum because I am giving off "maf vibes", but doesn't bother to provide any real evidence or analysis. Got around to posting actual analysis. It was rather weak, and mostly blamed me for posting fluff and spamming. Suggests a vigi shot on Mataza and Varpulis, as well as a DT check on Jackal58, three other players on my suspect list. This doesn't make sense if they are all scum. Possible third party. He doesn't quite fit town or scum. Suspicious.

Fistpound List

Returned offer by Palmar
GMarshal
Node
tnkted
Kurumi
sandroba

Offered it to Palmar without being asked
VisceraEyes
Mataza

Ignored invitation from Palmar
Amber[Light]
redFF
Meapak_Zipph
Eternalmisfit
DropBear


Eternalmisfit
-Inexperienced player. Attempting analysis, sometimes weak. Has good ideas when he's around, keeps discussion focused and on track. Most likely town.


sandroba
-Proposed claiming who we created roles for. Reacted strongly to pressure, but after initial scumminess has not done anything strange. Plan would probably not have been put forward by mafia, as it draws too much attention. Overall not giving me a scummy feel. Too few of his posts are suspicious Most likely town


kitaman27
-Mildly aggressive. Contributing more than in XXXIX, where he was scum. Not as accusatory as in XXXIX. Most likely town.


Kenpachi
-Uncertain

Tackster
-Minimalist contributor. Reiterated what other players had already said. Lurked, made one large post. Claimed he had a migraine and is getting sick as excuses for not posting. Post was fluff at first glance, but on closer examination revealed some helpful comments and opinions. Upon re-reading his posts, he has actually added some good input. Role claimed Most likely town.

Varpulis
-Agrees with a variation of sandroba's idea. Has been targeted by many players who feel he is scummy. When multiple players are jumping on one it often leads to scum. Uncertain-possible scum


tnkted
-Strange style of play. Unique role allows (requires?) him to vote for players outside the game. Posting has improved in quality. Some question about it still. Uncertain


hiro protagonist
-New player, not being obvious. Uncertain

redFF
-Claims role will not be useful. Mason-type role. Lying scum or dumb townie. Not up to usual standards. Posting has drastically improved in quality. Good contributions. Most likely town.


sinani206
-Called for hit on him, saying that something good for town would happen. Town


Node
-Good posts. Has defended me. Has been pro-town, but in a way that feels somewhat cautious to me. Very soft defense of GM when I asked for his thoughts. Defended me when Palmar called for a vigi hit without analysis. The way he is playing I am uncertain. His posting is pro-town, but it feels far too thought-out to be a townies. Will be keeping an eye on him. Uncertain.


bumatlarge
-Encouraging discussion and analysis. Claims SK type role as Joker. Either third party or scum.


Mataza
-Claims role will not be useful. Defended by GMarshal and Palmar after little pressure. Posting does not feel pro-town. Suspicious


Mig
-Lurker. Uncertain


VisceraEyes
-New player. Radical accusations and ideas. Scum team would control his posting more. Most likely town.



Amber[LighT]
-Ridiculous role restriction. Possibly fake. No way to analyze. Quoted several posts with symbols for his opinion of them. Is unsure of me, sees posts that could lead me to either scum or town, thinks Jackal is town, really thinks Sandroba is scum. Voted Sandroba. For such an inconvenient post restriction he is really trying to contribute. Most likely town.


BloodyC0bbler
-Very aggressive player. Stated by many to be pro-town. Experienced player. Possible scum


Torte de Lini
-New player. Lurker. Has a history of being extremely active that is not displayed. Possible option for new scum player Uncertain


Cthsazsa
-Uncertain

Barundar
-Lurker. Experienced player Uncertain


Meapak_Ziphh
-Aggressive player, encourages discussion. Genuine deliberation over me, came to the conclusion that I'm town. Has consistently been pro-town. Most likely town.

DropBear
-Uncertain

prplhz
-New player, seems inexperienced. Would have great difficulty pulling off scum. Most likely town

stefftastiq
-New player. Attempting analysis. Most likely town

Rean
-Few posts. Feels has been contributing when he has put little forward. I often do the same as town, I am more likely to pay attention to how much I am contributing as scum. Most likely town.


Jackal58
-Usual aggressive play. Tunneling on me, but Jackal always tunnels. Posting feels scummy. Hasn't really contributed. Voted Sandroba without providing reasons. Suspicious


+ Show Spoiler [Alignment Lists] +

TOWN
-Meapak_Ziphh
-prplhz
-Rean
-Amber[LighT]
-Tackster
-redFF
-Sandroba
-sinani206
-EternalMisfit
-Kurumi

SUSPICIOUS
-GMarshal
-Mataza
-Jackal58
-Palmar
-Varpulis

*This list is not 100% correct, or mafia is making some crazy plays here. Mataza, Jackal, and Palmar can not be on a scum team together, there has been too much conflict/calling for vigi/DT's by Palmar. I would hazard a guess that 1-3 of these names are correctly identifying scum.

THIRD PARTY

UNCERTAIN
-Karshe
-Kurumi
-Mr. Wiggles
-deskscaress
-Eternalmisfit
-sandroba
-kitaman27
-Kenpachi
-tnkted
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#1359
Any other vigi can take care of sinani206, it's so easy. We most certainly have another town KP somewhere.

But Bumatlarge needs to show loyalty by not shooting a confirmed townie, and rather someone he seems hesitant to shoot.

you dig?
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#1360
Sinani is not confirmed townie...We are making bum shoot him because if sinani is lying we only lose an sk and not a town player. Vigs should shoot MAtaza or Varpulis imo.
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