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On June 16 2011 08:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 08:13 Karshe wrote: I am fine with your plan, Palmar. Although, the way I wrote Cthsazsa's role was: the night following your death, you can kill someone. So it would go:
Tonight: Shoot Cthsazsa Day: Lynch someone (most likely redFF or Karshe) Night: Cthsazsa and Palmar both get a KP
I'm not sure why I worded his role that way, it's kind of stupid... but too late now. well he's not getting shot tonight, as the vote-lists exclude anyone but redFF.
That sounds good, the votelist information wasn't in the thread when I started my post.
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On June 16 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 08:14 Palmar wrote: It's decided, I'm sending in the kill command on redFF now.
I suggest lynching GM tomorrow if redFF isn't mafia. No worries. You just won the game for us ^_^
The night action has been sent.
I'm going to sleep, see you guys tomorrow.
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for clarities sake
Palmar lynch
bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist
Jackal Lynch
GMarshal Palmar Rean DropBear stefftastiq Amber[LighT]
this clears everyone on those lists, and that happens to include
steff, rean, amber, cthsazsa, karshe, palmar
but not
redff
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holy shit lol fair enough, guess I'm being shot. As for town, I have very little idea on how to proceed from here. We have a gf, a mole, or rean is lying. I don't think rean is lying, and i'm not sure if there would be more than 2 moles. So a gf is the most likely option from my position.
Obviously with all that has happened i would think that you guys would trust that i am town, but with the listcheck i think it's fairly obvious i am getting shot tonight. GL everyone, here's who town should look at after I die.
GM Karshe Cthazsa
This game has had a very derpy town(me being one of them) and I have very little faith in you guys actually pulling out a win. GL anyway lol.
Just because i flip town doesn't make GM auto scum, although it would explain the how everyone seems cleared.
Just to re-iterate GMarshal is exactly as clear as I am, he is not confirmed town, all that is confirmed is that he is the reason for 2 mafia appearing on Rean's votelist. Shoot GM palmar, i know you'll make the wrong decision tho
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On June 16 2011 08:47 redFF wrote:holy shit lol fair enough, guess I'm being shot. As for town, I have very little idea on how to proceed from here. We have a gf, a mole, or rean is lying. I don't think rean is lying, and i'm not sure if there would be more than 2 moles. So a gf is the most likely option from my position. Obviously with all that has happened i would think that you guys would trust that i am town, but with the listcheck i think it's fairly obvious i am getting shot tonight. GL everyone, here's who town should look at after I die. GM Karshe Cthazsa This game has had a very derpy town(me being one of them) and I have very little faith in you guys actually pulling out a win. GL anyway lol. Just because i flip town doesn't make GM auto scum, although it would explain the how everyone seems cleared. Just to re-iterate GMarshal is exactly as clear as I am, he is not confirmed town, all that is confirmed is that he is the reason for 2 mafia appearing on Rean's votelist. Shoot GM palmar, i know you'll make the wrong decision tho 
I've sent the night action, so yes, you're dying.
GMarshal will have to be lynched to confirm Rean's lists tomorrow. There is no way to continue this game without removing you two.
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you can always change your night action.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 07:21 redFF wrote: Palmar, I suggest you shoot Cthazsa, I've called him scummy before this and now i think he is our final scum. Palmar shoot Cthazsa, I understand i may be hard to believe/go with at this point so i suggest if you are town Cthazsa to take me down with you, that will leave a Karshe lynch and a town win.
Sorry guys, but ffs GM why didn't you just claim miller lol.
U desperate?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 07:17 Palmar wrote:On June 16 2011 07:14 GMarshal wrote:On June 16 2011 07:11 Palmar wrote:On June 16 2011 07:10 GMarshal wrote:On June 16 2011 07:03 Palmar wrote: GM
I don't want you to use your abilities tonight
I'm shooting redFF I'm inducting someone if you don't mind, I want to be able to chat with people. I do mind. Please do not induct anyone into your cult. I will be inducting Cthsazsa. I want to press him in PM's. Why don't you want me inducing people? Several reasons. a) you can kill people in the cult. I'm not convinced you're town, so I don't want you to have any additional powers. b) some mafia games have cults with independent win conditions (like turn half the town). I know a cult isn't a 3rd party thing, but if you're scum it could come down to the people in your cult being manipulated in some way. Maybe you can force their votes or something. c) you said we should rely on analysis, so let's keep all the information in the thread and out of PMs. Ask redFF, he interrogated me, he should have my role, I can't actually kill anyone anymore. I only had two sacrificial knives, I used both on kurumi. I wanted to keep this secret to scare the mafia in the later game, but I guess its a moot point now. I'm going to add Cths because I want to be able to ask certain questions about her role without the mafia hearing us on the offchance RedFF isn't the last mafia or is actually green. Can you just trust me on this? Cths can publish any PM's where I try to influence her vote. (there won't be any, promise)
I wouldn't mind getting into a PM circle. O ya fun fact: I'm not a girl
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote: Does anyone here NOT agree with this plan:
I want people to say they agree, or amber can wiggle his tail at my post.
Tonight: Shoot Cthazha, who will death vig Karshe Tomorrow: Lynch redFF Next night: I shoot GMarshal
That should cover it, aside from mafia kills?
I just want to say, if Karshe is indeed town, then there's the chance Mafia might try to kill me. 2 for 1, good deal no?
That said, I don't think I'm going to publicly announce who I will be taking with me to the underworld.
Also, why have you guys ruled out Amber? He's on both lists.
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Oh wait, lol never mind. GM's a miller >.>
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I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
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On June 16 2011 17:35 Palmar wrote: I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed.
What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway?
Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching.
@Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too.
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On June 16 2011 17:39 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 17:35 Palmar wrote: I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed. What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway? Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching. @Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too.
This is the only logical way to continue.
Are you kidding me? You of all people should know that role has nothing to do with alignment. If the person who created your role created a miller type role, he'd still have no guarantee that you're town, would he?
So the defense of "What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway" is ridiculous in this setup.
And there are still good reasons for killing you. As I already said I have switched to action based analysis, and everyone has pretty pro-town based action.
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On June 16 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 17:39 GMarshal wrote:On June 16 2011 17:35 Palmar wrote: I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed. What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway? Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching. @Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too. This is the only logical way to continue. Are you kidding me? You of all people should know that role has nothing to do with alignment. If the person who created your role created a miller type role, he'd still have no guarantee that you're town, would he? So the defense of "What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway" is ridiculous in this setup. And there are still good reasons for killing you. As I already said I have switched to action based analysis, and everyone has pretty pro-town based action.
Its *not* the only way to continue, there are much better ways to progress forward.
But its irrelevant, RedFF will flip red and I'll be able to laugh at your suspicions.
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I highly doubt people created a miller type role. It sounds like something Deconduo did to balance things out, which means we probably also have a townie miller (godfather).
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On June 16 2011 18:45 Rean wrote: I highly doubt people created a miller type role. It sounds like something Deconduo did to balance things out, which means we probably also have a townie miller (godfather).
Why wouldn't it get listed in the OP?
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On June 16 2011 19:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 18:45 Rean wrote: I highly doubt people created a miller type role. It sounds like something Deconduo did to balance things out, which means we probably also have a townie miller (godfather). Why wouldn't it get listed in the OP? Because a "godfather"/"town miller" is part of a role which are not discussed in the OP. What is included in the OP are the different types of possible alignments
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ok town, heres whats up. I'm sure there is only 1 scum left. Here is what we have.
Town(these people are almost certainly town from my pov(which will be a confirmed town pov once i flip) Palmar Rean Amber Do not lynch any of these people.
Now here is who could be scum, in the order they should die Karshe Cthazsa GM Steff
Town probably won't win, i have very little faith in you, and very little faith in Palmar shooting correctly. Palmar you can add another town to your hitlist lol. I know i was pushing mataza hard(because I thought he was scum) but he was still a good bomb to make if karshe is mafia. Bum kind of had to be bombed and also got a shit ton of town cred for Karshe. A lynch on either Karshe or Cthazsa is fine tommorow. I prefer Cthazsa so he can bring karshe with him. Everybody fistpound Palmar, if there still isnt a dead scum then palmar shoot GM and it should be GG.
GL town
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On June 17 2011 04:52 redFF wrote: ok town, heres whats up. I'm sure there is only 1 scum left. Here is what we have.
Town(these people are almost certainly town from my pov(which will be a confirmed town pov once i flip) Palmar Rean Amber Do not lynch any of these people.
Now here is who could be scum, in the order they should die Karshe Cthazsa GM Steff
Town probably won't win, i have very little faith in you, and very little faith in Palmar shooting correctly. Palmar you can add another town to your hitlist lol. I know i was pushing mataza hard(because I thought he was scum) but he was still a good bomb to make if karshe is mafia. Bum kind of had to be bombed and also got a shit ton of town cred for Karshe. A lynch on either Karshe or Cthazsa is fine tommorow. I prefer Cthazsa so he can bring karshe with him. Everybody fistpound Palmar, if there still isnt a dead scum then palmar shoot GM and it should be GG.
GL town
Problem with that, bud. GM's a miller, so everyone that was on Reans votecheck lists is cleared, with the exception of bum and DB. The only people who wasn't on those lists was you. More likely than not, you are the last remaining scum.
I believe this will be the third time I've said it, but it has been going unnoticed. All game you've thrown around half-ass claims that people are scum, but 9 times out of 10 you provided next to no reasoning behind your accusations. I have no idea why you pulled a Palmar and called yourself the "most protown person here", but you are most certainly not.
You've called me scum countless times, yet you've constantly ignored the one question I ask of you. If I was what you claim I am, why would I have let Mr. Wiggles kill Desk?
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