Pick Your Power Insane!

On May 18 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote:
Huh. I though that the day ended at [time]2100 PDT[time] That was an hour ago, right? We it looks like people have decided to lynch me so I'll expidite my analysis of Ace.

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You know what? Screw this. Vet's are overrated and I'm done giving them any sort of special consideration.



Ace has done little to help the town, and done lots to hurt it. He's suggested scummy plans, and discouraged good ones. Town agrees that the less Kp is good for the town, Ace picks a KP role .

Ace thinks like mafia better than anyone, so the time that he could be most useful to the town is durring the planning phase. Instead of contributing, he deconstructively bashes Gmarshal for his plan. Gmarshal's plan was PRO TOWN and a GOOD IDEA, but poor in the details. Allowing the mafia to take power roles is, and was a bad idea. Instead of helping him refine the plan, or suggesting something different, he says this:



When Gmarshal takes the time to explain his reasoning, he ignores him, replying with



This is an absolutely useless post for the town, and discouraging to a player who is posting opinions. Gmarshal clammed up after this, and stopped posting his ideas. What ace did was damaging to the town atmosphere.

Later he posts this:


I didn't say anything at the time because I figured it was just a vet with an attitude, but since then I've decided that I'm through with letting this sort of thing by.

He finally comes in and agrees with something, but he contributes NOTHING at all to it. Wtf? Then he states that he's feeling lazy, and wants to relax this game? If he didn't want to play he shouldn't have signed up. This sort of attitude is anti-town, and shouldn't be allowed.

After that he attacks the next thing that happens in the town: The fos's that Incog and myself started. Ace waltzes in and dismisses the behavior with one of his "I'm going to sleep" lines, and adds nothing to the discussion. He doesn't care to explain himself. He just pops in, says "lol" then leaves. This continues for some time where he makes no real contribution.

He made this post talking about how I was look at things through "mafia goggles",


Then he posts things like this, where he does the exact same thing to me:



--------------And now I'm going to be lynched, so let me be brief.----------------------------

Ace continues to be furstratingly negative towards most activity, and starts waving a gun around. I feel like Ace is being useless, but at this point I don't think that he's mafia. I think that he just doesn't know how to play a good townie. I don't think that a mafia ace would have argued the way that he did with me, and I think that the whole gun thing was just a bluff (or not, doesn't really matter) that he used to pressure people. Maybe that was his way of getting information, but whatever.

Please look at those people who said that they were uncomfortable lynching me, then voted for me anyways. (Hint: Gmarshal)

On May 19 2011 23:21 dreamflower wrote:
As I have been relatively quiet this game, I'm hoping to make up for it now by mustering my courage and actually building a case against someone that I've been suspicious about for much of the game: Ace. This seems especially timely now that people like bumatlarge are starting to believe he is pro-town. Kavdragon has already done a little of this here, though he ruined his own point by vacillating at the end and saying "I don't think he's Mafia." I, on the other hand, think Ace is most likely Mafia, after having reviewed his posts in the game for the tenth or so time. Besides, even if my case doesn't make much of an impact, I hope the simple act of sharing my thoughts about who is Mafia should help town in the long run, if only to give other scum-hunters more help in determining my alignment for themselves.

As much as I can, I'm going to avoid evaluating Incognito's play so far and concentrate on Ace's responses to him, which I have found very telling. He has very loudly and noisily attacked Incognito for being scum and urged everyone to lynch him, but when pressed, his only reasoning was, "Incognito made some weird posts at the beginning of the game. He was the first one to point fingers at someone." This reasoning makes little sense to me, considering that, first of all, everyone in this game has made random posts at some point. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? What about KillerSOS, whose contributions have been largely one-liners with little thought or substance that I can find? Or anyone else who has been lurking? While Chezinu does have a reputation for being off-the-wall, this isn't a PM-allowed game where he can justify his public inanity with private ingenuity. At this point, his cryptic posts are just cluttering up the game without contributing anything comprehensible to us readers. Yet, Ace doesn't even mention Chezinu, despite the fact that his confusing posts far outweigh Incognito's. Instead, Ace's insists on going after Incognito despite his own condemnnation of people who make accusations based off 1-5 posts.

Second, while Incognito's posts started out puzzling and dubious, he's since given us a wealth of thoughts, player and role analysis, and ideas. While the merits of his vote-checking plan remain in doubt and his Kavdragon read turned out to be incorrect, Incognito has undeniably been active and thoughtful and has put a lot of effort into analyzing roles and the strategies that lets the town put them to use. However, Ace never actually addresses Incognito's more substantial recent posts or criticizees the points he makes about either vote lists or Kavdragon. He avoids saying anything definitive about anyone, aside from half-heartedly criticizing people voting for Barundar. At one point, he actually agrees with Incognito about Kavdragon being timid, then inexplicably switches his vote to Radfield amid the chaos before the lynch. As far as I could tell, Ace's entire reaction to Incognito's vote-list-arranging plan and accusation against Kavdragon was more of the same that he was already posting before: a big picture of Leonardo DiCaprio, with a cute nickname for Kavdragon and another unbacked claim of Incognito posting as town, without any further reasoning behind it.

Speaking of Radfield, Ace has recently started attacking him without any reasoning either, as far as I can tell. Aside from calling him sketchy once, he hasn't given any reason for now attacking Incognito and Radfield with equally rabid fervor. I admit I think some of Radfield's priorities in his early "Town Pick" and "Town No-Pick" role lists were a bit skewed, but I haven't seen anything else from him that makes me suspicious. He too has put a lot of effort into trying to help guide and lead the town, analyze fellow players, and back up his assertions with good reasons. Yet, Ace is now claiming he is scum as well. Why is Ace picking on the two most active, hardworking, and analytical players in the game, who have both done their best to offer pro-town plans? Why hasn't he offered more than one-line analyses of either of them? For that matter, why has he rarely posted more than one or two lines at a time at all this entire game?

If anyone would like specific examples of Ace's posts to support my points, please let me know and I will go find them and quote them.

I don't like Ace's play at all this game, because he supplies so little reasoning to support his accusations of strong players while totally ignoring non-contributing players like Chezinu or KillerSOS. Either he is just being lazy and skating on his name and reputation, or he is Mafia trying to pick off well-known players. So, today, I will be voting for him to be lynched.