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Thought that sounds like a lot of work ver, if I remember even Ace had a little trouble making everything right in just regular PYP. Good luck with that | ||
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edit: oooh L that would be funky fresh | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + jkjk | ||
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Qatol (CL) Barundar chaoser (RB) kitaman wiggles kav varp good luck town. + Show Spoiler + happy birthday ver :D | ||
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Instead of making a fail list, let's try to breakdown the strongest roles and see if there is any do or die stuff. There are way too many good roles to check everything, so I think we should consider town combos that would be difficult for mafia to circumvent, and mafia combos that will make it difficult for town. Also if someone threw together a list in order of strongest to weakest roles, I'd love to see it. I meant to do that earlier but I blew it off ;P I'll start going through them now. Its best to just STFU about your numbers and then announce them after. PYP3 taught me that even people shouting "[1][1]!!!1!1!" helps scum. I guess you can consider it mindgames to them but I think it's ultimately pointless. | ||
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Bad Santa Emperor Priest Kingmaker Bodyguard Assassin Bullet Bill Mafia 2 Detective Mafia roles Hero Janitor Thief Journalist Role Reverser Hider Bus Driver Vote Rigger Politician Mafia XII Godfather Caller Godfather Pardoner Prince o Darkness Roleblocker Agent of Chaos I didn't include things that would be ovbiously strong for both parties. I picked things that I feel would favor that faction over the other one. For instance, a town bad santa can be game breaking, but that it isn't to say that a mafia one wouldn't be strong as well. Faking a "confirmed town list" could be deadly, but it's all negated if that bad santa dies. And I personally feel like the journalist can be pretty good for mafia, but absolutely useless for town. If anyone has any critique of this list or doesn't understand why I put them there, please tell me. | ||
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And politician and kingmaker, I like the way you think inco | ||
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I also think solidifying the draft roles beyond the first three slots is a baaad idea. One traitor giving a "Fuck. You town" | ||
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Role and queue analysis are the prime agenda. And mason is god damn useless for scum. No levelheaded scum will pick it. Tried it, and it sucked. Only drew attention, and they aren't deceiving anyone in this game. If mafia wants to prove me wrong, go ahead and pick it over the hundred other better roles. Pure towny role IMO. (obv not to say you shouldn't have a natural suspicion upon getting inducted into circles, but Im just talking from experience) | ||
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On May 15 2011 06:49 infinitestory wrote: whoops To add again to Radfield's list, Assassin is also extremely strong for mafia because mafia know all the alignments at the start, so as far as I can tell it's a free additional KP with few drawbacks. Disagree, I think a town assassin is insane. They aren't considered to have a gun. They can just guess red everytime and never risk killing a townie. And I believe since their action is outed, since ver will say whether they targeted for role or red? Assassin cannot target alignment, just red or role, correct? And if they fail, will you reveal how the assassin sent the hit? (red or role) | ||
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Or we let mafia get strong roles, and nearly ensure that about 15 of the 19 strong townie roles. Hate to say it, but let mafia do what they want and we will keep our eyes open for out of place things. I think even if 15 townies got med/dt/vig/vet, we would still be in fantastic shape if mafia got to privately take whatever they want. I am ballz-to-wallz in favor of option #2, and screw whoever looks at me funny for it. It will all come down to how well mafia can coordinate, and how well town can analyze and think. Wow, that sounds a lot like how I want mafia to be played. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + NRA Member Hero Bomber Man Rock Star Emperor Janitor Vengeful player America Kingmaker Zombie Admiral Ackbar Pardoner Cupid Prince of Darkness Suicide Bomber Politician Agent of Chaos Roleblocker Role Reverser Framer Copy Cat Caller Godfather Mafia XII Godfather Bone Breaker Puppeteer Hooker Traitors Imba/self protection 1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo + Show Spoiler + Inventor* Chuiu Jack Bad Santa* Vote Rigger* CPR Doctor* Thief* Assassin Capitalist Caller Veteran Mafia 4 Veteran Mad Hatter Mafia 4 Hatter Meth Man Bullet Proof ( * = should probably claim soon or at some point to help KP analyzing Mafia hunting 8. Foolishness 9. bumatlarge 10. Kavdragon 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS + Show Spoiler + Chuiu Jack Mafia 2 Detective Capitalist NKVD Agent Alignment Cop Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP Watcher PYP Tracker Parity Cop Dirty cop Vig/Misc 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name 19. tnkted + Show Spoiler + Anything you think would help town, or anything that isn't on the no-no list or on the list below this. Good spot to take a standard vig/mad hatter roles of sorts. Protective/Defensive/Misc 20. Chezinu 21. Ace 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito 24. Node 25. kitaman27 + Show Spoiler + Priest Medic Doctor Witch Bodyguard First targets would be who you think is most helpful town, then Id say the power or DT roles. Obviously this shouldn't be taken as canon. It's just to make as little overlap as possible. Mafia are already going to chance some of the no-no roles. Any improvement or suggestions and I'll edit it. The only thing I will not change is how unspecific it is. | ||
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On May 16 2011 04:18 flamewheel wrote: I'm going to be taking a page out of Ace's book, since I don't feel like getting into arguments that don't matter. I'll say each of the following once, and I'm not going to deal with them again until they become relevant with data. Numbers aren't important yet, but they will be soon. bumatlarge (by the way, I still pronounce your name as "boom-at-large"), I agree with you on a vast majority of your listing, though I'm going to disagree with your relegation of the Rock Star role. Consequently, I disagree with most of Radfield's. There are just too many roles in this game with killing power / "anti-town" potential to tie down to people. Your plan effectively makes top-slot townies useless and enables top-slot Mafia to have their anti-town powers. I don't care if you know where these powers are--this game can easily go as Toy Factory did, and be over in two or three cycles. bumatlarge--as an "Imba/self protection" role the Rock Star is quite top-notch. Not only would whoever chose it be protected to a very high degree, but he would also know two people who didn't get roles--and that second part is, in my opinion, more of a sale than the first, especially if whomever ends up partying I will be taking either Rock Star or Chuiu Jack as my role. Were I feeling more involved in the game at the moment, I'd lean toward Rock Star, since that would allow me to have amazing backtracking ability. However, the brokenness of the Jack completely boggles my mind. I'll probably be choosing that. Inventor is awesome[ly broken] and you guys should keep up the discussion on that, but I think somebody else would be able to better use the role. No you. Sounds good to me. I didn't really read to much into it, but you convinced me. So the next imba person would probably say whether he will take inventor or a defensive role. I still like my batman's vigilance thing for him. On May 16 2011 05:23 Scamp wrote: I'm really confused about Radfield's no-pick list. He introduces it as his own creation but it's actually just a copy-paste of Bumatlarge's list with a few odd changes. Firstly, he replaces Janitor with the Day Vig and then adds Janitor back on the list toward the end. Next, he replaces both godfather roles with the recruiting mason. Caller GF is in his top 6 so that makes sense but why remove the other godfather role from the no-pick list, and what's bad about taking recruiting mason? Finally, he removed 'traitors' from the list. Why would you do this? He replaced it with the PYP3 Veteran. Why add that and not, say, hero or rock star? Why does neither no-pick list have the framer? That seems pretty anti-town to me. I copied radfield's no-pick list. I took out the dayvig and added the janitor because someone brought it up. I dont really see why the day vig is instant scum, its a very powerful town role, and it only draws attention to scum if they use it. All godfathers are very anti town, but caller GF is a good role to deny, along with thief. I would shorten radfield's list and say FW - CJ/rockstar (what he said) Scamp - inventor/defense Caller - Thief (hes probably going to pick traitor though or something) Barundar - Caller GF Radfield - Vote rigger (im assuming he would follow his own plan here) If anyone in the top5 is not going to be doing this or wants to take the FW path, tell us. (looking at you caller) I really have very little concern for journalist. If we see something massively out of the ordinary, we can analyze previous posting and see if we can draw anything conclusive. Otherwise we will still have doubts. Let mafia take journalist, it would make the game more fun and I think it would be less dangerous then other roles. I don't really feel comfortable making people pick a role, so I think they should present two options. I believe just threatening to take the role is enough, and as long as they can explain any scenario with a role they have given us, I'll be satisfied. And here is what I think the no-pick list should be. + Show Spoiler + NRA Member Hero Bomber Man Emperor Admiral Ackbar Pardoner Cupid Prince of Darkness Suicide Bomber Politician Agent of Chaos Roleblocker Role Reverser Framer Bone Breaker Puppeteer Hooker Janitor PYP 3 Veteran Bus Driver I dont think dayvig, emperor and zombie having a record of not hitting mafia is a good reason to put them on the bad list. Played correctly, they can both be helpful even if they don't hit red (making us avoid a mislynch instead). Obviously they shouldn't be going off just their gut, which I find was a major source of baddity for these roles. I think america and kingmaker should claim immediately, and if they don't we can act as if they are on the no-list. THEY SHOULD NOT CLAIM BEFORE PICKS, BECAUSE OF POLITCIAN BEING AN ABSOLUTE CUNT-ROLE. ^You know what, politician is a good scum role without america and kingmaker in the game, don't pick these roles. And I will update the list based off the top5 thing. I will move people up because, god dammit I want an imba role. (and why not use them?) Imba/self protection 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness 9. bumatlarge + Show Spoiler + Bad Santa* CPR Doctor* Assassin Capitalist Mafia 4 Veteran Mad Hatter Mafia 4 Hatter Meth Man Bullet Proof ( * = should probably claim soon or at some point to help KP analyzing) Mafia hunting 10. Kavdragon 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory + Show Spoiler + Mafia 2 Detective NKVD Agent Alignment Cop Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP Watcher PYP Tracker Parity Cop Dirty cop Vig/Misc 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name 19. tnkted 20. Chezinu 21. Ace + Show Spoiler + Anything you think would help town, or anything that isn't on the no-no list or on the list below this. Good spot to take a standard vig/mad hatter roles of sorts. Protective/Defensive/Misc 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito 24. Node 25. kitaman27 + Show Spoiler + Priest Medic Doctor Witch Bodyguard First targets would be who you think is most helpful town, then Id say the power or DT roles. I believe I will be picking either Bad Santa or Mad Hatter. | ||
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On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote: Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question. Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game? Im going to answer this by saying: sort of. The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game. Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it. No, I think it definitely worked in PYP2, it brought a lot of pressure on the first slots, who will inevitably get good roles. PYP1 was a bit fluky, and PYP3s plan was brought forward by LSB the SK, and the plan gave everyone a particular role. If the mafia team coordinated a bit more, we could have denied and fucked up a lot more towny stuff with that plan. Even when we did a little bit, we created a lot of chaos and what not. I was trying to distribute blue roles as best as possible without causing mafia having any clue exactly who has what. I'd be susprised if more then 50% of people listened to me, so the only thing I'd say for certain is that mafia did grab some of the no-pick list. They would be stupid not to. | ||
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chaoser deconduo originalname killersos Eiii dreamflower chezinu caller Fishball These are minimal posters. I don't believe their posting has at least a bit of effort put into them. I know most people were in a trend of not discussing certain details as the lack of information passed around does have a benefit to town, but role discussion was mandatory, and I felt most of these players outright ignored that portion. I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser. ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On May 16 2011 18:18 Eiii wrote: haha, I have no clue what this means. Anyway, since I get called out for lurking just about every game might as well reassure people right now: I get involved when shit starts actually happening, don't worry about it. Still don't really know how to read these early stages .-. :/ You're pretty obnoxious to deal with, you know? You did this in PYP3. | ||
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I'll look into barundar's play raddy, we'll share stories and laugh the whole night, have a grand lark. | ||
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Can the normal GF change the role/alignment of any player or just mafia? Is he essentially a stronger framer? I still think a better and safer lynch would be chaoser or deconduo. Also rad, did you confirm that you are vote rigger or are you going to leave it a secret? I have plans if you'd like to share. | ||
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Can someone shed some light here? | ||
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Whos got the good role foolishness? who are we killing that isnt useless. People lynch useful people and its like "oh why you do that he so townie" and then we lynch nobodies and its like "oh why him obvious townie" Screw it all chaoser is scum. Im leaving my vote on and if you want to lynch scum you'll help me. He's not posting like hes blue because its PYPInsane; you dont get to be able to have that excuse. He's scum. I'd love to analyze him but all his scummy posts are discussing what he can do with his scumbuddies to win the game in one night. | ||
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On May 18 2011 07:07 Chezinu wrote: You need to invite me to your treehouse first. + Show Spoiler + Back to business, Chez you really think node is scum? | ||
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On May 18 2011 19:57 Radfield wrote: Bumatlarge. Where were you(I don't mean this literally)? You vehemently defended Kavdragon early on, but completely disappeared for 6 hours, despite the heat growing considerably on him, only to pop in 1 minute after the day post to apologize. You never once pushed for Barundar, a player who was a viable alternative to Kav. No need to be aggressive when you did so little to stop it from happening. In other news, I look forward to you netting us scum. I was playing Terraria, when I looked at the clock it was too late blame the game! I would have just said this a different way. On May 17 2011 20:40 bumatlarge wrote: Haha kavdragon as a suspect again because hes trying too hard, thats funny guys havent heard that before. Lynch him later sure, when a case has been built up and he has added to his crimes. When it becomes apparent that he should be the target the next day, because we dont have a completely different bag of fish to fry. If you lynch him now because he's trying too hard like he has FOR THE PAST 5 FUCKING GAMES AS TOWN, I WILL BLOW A FUCKING NUT. And this happens exactly as I say. Sorry I wasn't around to vehemently call people stupid to the point where I would probably get banned. It's good though, because maybe I won't get shot yet, and I still won't get lynched. Not gonna comment on checking me, because thats up to the DTs. The only hard part is figuring out who is scum and who is just being plain awful. GM for instance. Geez man you better then anyone should have seen the Kav thing coming. Oh well. Let's see what night brings us. | ||
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Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page. And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace! I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH? | ||
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I'm still confused about the radfield role thing, but if Ace isn't pushing it, then I don't see any reason to dog after them for it until one of them feels it should be outed. In fact I have a feeling we shouldn't even guess :X I know I'm not supposed to be wishywashy, but im completely 50/50 on incognito. Going through all that trouble to be helpful only to ultimately have everyone else kick him around? I'd rather lynch chaoser someone I can more easily read then someone like incog who is getting the kavdragon syndrome. But incog does have other valid points against him, namely shapeless FoS like saying chaoser is scum and then not backing it up. I'm fairly certain I explained why chaoser was scum, so unless incog is just going with me, he once again put up a random FoS when he is about to die. WIFOM behind every corner! | ||
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1. Flamewheel - Chuiu Jack? 2. Scamp - Inventor 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo - vanilla? 8. Foolishness - vanilla? 9. bumatlarge - watcher 10. Kavdragon - vanilla 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name 19. tnkted 20. Chezinu 21. Ace - Capitalist?? 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito - America 24. Node 25. kitaman27 Didn't see any other claims, and I'd like that BP thing with deconduo and foolishness to be clarified more. Top 7 should have bulletproof somewhere? | ||
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watcher gets info in the form of numbers, not names. Im not going to say anything beyond that yet. It will come to fruition soon. I'm fairly certain GM is town, so the list seems like a very valid option for us. Incog and node are obviously the highest targets. I dont see why we wouldn't, i was initially against incogs lynch because he was very helpful but the majority of people who seem to make good decisions seem to believe its an act. I can see that to an extent. perhaps incog should claim? KillerSOS is a meh ynch to me, but i wouldn't be suprised if he popped mafia. I would love to do a complete analysis on chaoser for wiggles, but i dont have the time. Chaoser is an avid and simple poster as town. I'd say his mafia play is mostly defensive and safe. His last post was this I think? On May 21 2011 00:04 chaoser wrote: Wait so why am I mafia again? Because I was inactive? You know, coag threw out numbers on why he thought I was mafia in toy factory mafia and never gave real reasons either. I ended up flipping green. Both you and bum have been doing that as well this game; I haven't seen a single analysis post on me from anyone. I was busy at the start of the game and tried to pressure GM like I did to Irish in XXXIX. He overreacted a bit and then explained himself well so I backed off. Now that I've caught up a decent amount I decide to write a big post on foolishness to pressure him because yes his posting IS weird and I get hit with the "you are scum" bat? Yeah the post was sudden but that's only cause I've finally read enough to have an informed opinion on what I'm writing about. How is that scummy? Until someone writes up a real piece of analysis against me I'm going to be sending my time looking at others. Pretty much as defensive as you can get. But mostly it was his activity and posting before the role picking ended. Mafia needs to focus on their draft and roles, and an average poster would find it hard to make quality posts and discuss things with his buddies at the same time. This is from experience. Incog goes against this, but he is very active, and this does not apply to everyone. It applies to chaoser. He can say he was busy then, but his posting then On May 15 2011 07:57 chaoser wrote: pick town roles, kill anyone found with anti town roles, how hard is that? Denying opens a whole can of WIFOM worms. Did he pick to deny? or did he pick it to use? I guess if you did pick to deny, you should claim in thread so that we can keep an eye on you. On May 15 2011 18:14 chaoser wrote: Roles haven't been picked yet? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=84#1665 night On May 16 2011 01:39 chaoser wrote: Mafia has a lot of cover power this game, there's like 4-5 roles that just let you hide your alignment/role. We can't rely on blue investigation to pull us through, Not to mention inventor will probs not live very long. I'd rather the inventor make more useful stuff than bulletproof vests. How is Assassin protown? It's basically a CV for mafia since they can just name GREEN everyone. For townie it's like a one time DT role that confirms one person outright with the potential to KP a lot of shit. These are his meatiest posts in the draft/role portion. This is a scum trying to seem like he's in the discussion where is using his real limited time figuring out exactly what his team is going to do. Thats all i got ill try to check in before the lynch goes off. | ||
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I agree with everything caller said here. On May 21 2011 11:03 Caller wrote: What the hell is going on we have a list of people that we can both purge of mafia and clear There is at least 1 mafia, maybe two, on that list. If its 1 mafia, its either GMarshal, or Mafia + a frame. If its 2 mafia, GMarshal is almost certainly not mafia, because it'd be friggin stupid for mafia to create a situation where its 2/6 instead of 1/5. There is absolutely no reason for us not to get on this list. If none of Node, Incog, and Chez is mafia (well, in addition to me, ofc) either I'm the worst player in the history of the world or GMarshal is scum. Flamewheel gets pretty much cleared that way. If only one of them is scum, then obviously flamewheel is not clear. But if two fo them are scum, and this is by far my most likely feeling, given that mafia would not do something that bold this early, then we have a cleared list of Flamewheel and GMarshal. I'm perfectly willing to die to clear off two DT roles like that, or to snag a scum DT. I'm not sure why Node, Incog, and Chez (the latter of whom is recently smelling like shit) are all running around like headless chickens trying to pass the blame onto people not on a list with guaranteed mafia as well as potential clears. Unless, of course, they're scummy. Which I think they are. Why are people voting for KillerSoS? He's definitely scummy as shit as has been already pointed out, but he claimed Tracker. At the very least, we should let him run his mouth and see what he has to say, because we can milk him for information regardless of whether he's scummy or town. Besides, killing him doesn't tell us a single goddamn thing. If we kill scum, we should do so in a position where we can scoop up other scum in the bargain, not a lone wolf and then have to start from square one all over again. My commitment is still pretty shitty. Someone (I think Radfield) requested a chaoser analysis so I'm working on that right now, but real life jumped on me and I'm still struggling to deal with it. Voted Incog because we should be getting that list cleared up. We're in a position to clear people completely, and get rid of some mafia, so why aren't we using it? It'll be hard to get off all the votes on Incog right now as much as I would like to be lynched and Incog shot (to ensure my honesty), so King should use his shooting on me or Node. I don't know what role Node is, but I'm fairly expendable, and once we have a clear list we have guaranteed night actions. In fact, assuming my gut reads of flamewheel is right, and assuming GMarshal isn't lying, we have at least 1 cleared investigative role that can be saturated with protection (I refuse to believe there are no medic roles). I did do some chaoser stuff but now I have more time, I can go into more depth. Still think we should kill chaoser, but we do need to lynch in the list right now. I believe node is actually the copycat, but this doesn't help him as town, since it would make perfect sense for mafia to kill scamp first for inventor, and then flamewheel if that fails. I need to read into node's posts more, because information wise it isn't looking good for him. | ||
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1) He's on the list. Hate on that all you want, but GM is town, and it would be stupid to ignore what he gives us. 2) I'm not really familiar with how incog plays, so even though he has been helpful, I can't ignore his less then fair accusations. 3) I don't find the others on the list besides node to be too scummy. Chez is already going to die, caller has been brash, but he obviously cares about the game eough to help somewhat, and he always makes good points. Unless someone can point something out, FW is town. If you want to vote node, I'll follow suit, but I'm not going outside the list. | ||
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EVERYONE VOTE NODE, do we know what rose colored glasses are going to do? No, only the user and inventor does. So what do we make of when we see "Sunday morning suprise!" or "tea leaves and vinegar"? I don't like it at all, a person everyone feels is scummy is getting away with a role thats too powerful to be in mafia hands, even for just a day. I'll switch once someone on killerSOS, (he claimed tracker god dammit...) gets off, because killerSOS is a phenomenally retarded lynch. Mafia at work tut tut. | ||
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On May 21 2011 12:40 Fishball wrote: I'm taking my vote off KillerSOS. I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more. I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now. Vote node you ball-less infidel. | ||
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On May 21 2011 12:48 Ace wrote: hah. It's interesting now that you mention it since I also glossed over it. A major suspect claims inventor and there isn't a fuss? v_v I've got a gun but I think I need to use my role check on someone else tonight. Do what you gotta do Ace. I'll be looking out for you WHAT DID BUM JUST SAY WILL HE DO THAT WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN? TUNE IN NEXT TIME ON PYP | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:05 Radfield wrote: someone please tell me that ver was supposed to post 5 minutes ago. I can't stay up another hour. Jesus, get out of my head. | ||
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I think you know what to do Ace, and I'm going to leave you to that. Since incog made you out to be mafia, you pretty much have a free pass to stay alive tonight, or all that work was for nothing, and incog has to make up another story. But I'm kinda psyched for tonight! I have plans! | ||
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I'll try to get it up before night ends. | ||
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I'll try to just take ll the meaty interesting posts. Ace has a universally cocky meta regardless of his alignment, so you need to dig a little deeper into what he says rather then take it as face value. This first sequence took place fairly early on. I believe this is important because Ace is pretty on par with what comes out of GM's mouth. Notice GM's tone as well, as I don't recall him ever speaking to someone in this way who was on his team. Whether Ace noticed this or not, he associated himself with a simpler player and I think he reaps the benefits from it. GM presents a less then ideal plan of action and Ace takes the time out to shoot it down politely. I think Ace's later exchanges with using GM's claim as gospel, which I believe was well-founded. On May 15 2011 06:34 Ace wrote: Good idea but trying to figure out what the mafia will pick is pretty much a crapshot at this point. There are just too many roles that are dangerous. Like Radfield iirc said - our best bet is to lynch anyone caught with clearly anti-town roles. This way no one can get away with " I was just picking this to deny Mafia from it" excuses. Imo the top spots should hog as many as the detective roles as possible, and let the middle pickers take prot roles. Mafia having extra KP isn't that scary if there are many prot + known investigation roles to stop them. In essence everyone could literally role claim and just go down the line forming investigations and without a brutal amount of KP Scum would be powerless to stop it. This was a response to Kavdragon. I'm not sure how this would playinto Ace's "politics" but he seems to give due respect to both kav and rad, so I really don't think he was plotting anything at this point. Ace seems like an average townie poster to me at this point, giving his thoughts where he feels is appropriate. He has done nothing to warrant a red read IMO. Let's go to post-rolepicks. On May 17 2011 05:49 Ace wrote: are you going to pay me to do your work for you? Actually Scum would want to vote with a group. If they don't they risk the possible chance of a group of confirmed townies by the DT. It's better for them and for the Town that people vote together. People voting alone are probably better off left to be checked by another investigation role. Even taking out the Wifom argument: With so many good roles the Mafia probably don't care if they clashed. In the other PYP games with the town focusing on 3 or so "too good to be true roles" (silly I know) number clashing was a decent idea in separating Town from Scum. In this game with so many good roles it probably doesn't matter as much. The hell is this shit? Pretty natural responses from Ace, but you can see his suspicion form on kavdragon. Kavdragon gives a scum list purely from numbers, so I believe this build up was warranted froma townie perspective. On May 17 2011 05:59 Ace wrote: By the way I unvoted Incognito for now. I saw something else in the last few pages that piqued my interest. I'm not certain, but posts like this provoke me to go back and re-read things. I'm sure Ace wouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't want other people to read into it as well. I still think I missed exactly what he was referring to though lol... Anyway I like these kinda posts On May 17 2011 10:09 Ace wrote: Find 1 post - make it look like someone is scum. Look at 5 posts by said person with "they have to be scum goggles" and find things that aren't there. I'm more inclined to start voting off all the finger pointers. This bullshit "look I've found some posts that makes this person looks scummy because I believe this is the true intent behind them" is sick. It sucked in all the other mafia games you people played in and it's going to suck now. So I'm going to: 1.) Push for some people to get lynched 2.) Kill one of you myself tonight Oh wait? What's that? Your damn right. Ace has a gun. Balls. So I think right here you might say this warrants FoS, but again we need to look further. Ace subtle claims, but when he said he had checked rad later, I think everyone figured he was the capitalist, which seems odd considering how far down the list he was, and how good the role is in town hands. Someone could have easily counterclaimed, so its safe to say he got it, and I dont think its a strong mafia role at all. I'd say its only good for cover from BB, and the role checks have potential but Ace is way to open with this to be scum. He's making himself perfectly traceable for town. I, again, am not reading scum, and I am certainly not noticing the "politics" as of yet. On May 18 2011 02:13 Ace wrote: I've got problems with all of those bolded claims. 1.) Doesn't matter where we lynch right now. We have no idea about where Mafia got their spots, and if Barundar is indeed the scummiest person then he gets the lynch. No tradeoffs. Thing is he isn't scummy at all. All he did was ask for people to stop throwing out scum accusations every other post - and I agree. It will be too easy to just get a random person lynched with this much division. 2.) Effort does not equal pro-town behavior. If you make mistakes, especially blatant ones like mass accusations or using terrible arguments under the guise of generating discussion then you aren't much different than Scum trying to act like they are getting things done. If he has played in games before then this should be clear by now that doing this is not good for town. 3.) No one is too good to not lynch in this game. More so than Kavdragon, Incognito threw around accusations and even worse reasons. The vote for Killsos (omg kill sauce?!). @flamewheel: Being silly is no excuse for getting a free pass. Either way we've got more than enough "contributions" from enough people already. Asking any more people to contribute for now will just serve as clutter because honestly - nothing new is coming from anyone today. It's time we consolidate our votes on a few suspects, get the lynch off, and get the DT to check the list. Yo guys are wasting time with this senseless finger pointing. Incognito is the scummiest person so far. I like how he even told everyone to "go back and read the thread", while not even pointing out what in the thread is so important it requires a re-read. Pretty much just giving orders and no follow up in an effort to look active. Kavdragon is scummy too, but since some people like bumatlarge want to play daddy day care guess he can't be lynched yet. 'tis ok, I've got my gun though. I was suspicious of Ace from this post alone, because he trashed on rad's barundar suspect, which I felt was a decent deduction, he called incog, a person who I felt was town at the time, the scummiest, and he picked kav, someone I really didn't want to get get lynched, as numero 2. Looking back on it with my given knowledge, everything here is pro-town. Barundar WAS just knocking on people throwing suspicions around, rad incog and unfortunately kav WERE the mischief makers here, and Ace is not weaving any master plan that I can see. All of Ace's consecutive posts are him arguing these points. He isn't on kavdragon, he just merely brings him up along with incog and radfield about pointless FoS and useless accusations. He focuses on incog instead, which I too at the time had a change of heart about the matter. I was not sold on radfield at all. Kav's Ace analysis + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote: Huh. I though that the day ended at [time]2100 PDT[time] That was an hour ago, right? We it looks like people have decided to lynch me so I'll expidite my analysis of Ace. You know what? Screw this. Vet's are overrated and I'm done giving them any sort of special consideration. My case for Ace Ace has done little to help the town, and done lots to hurt it. He's suggested scummy plans, and discouraged good ones. Town agrees that the less Kp is good for the town, Ace picks a KP role . Ace thinks like mafia better than anyone, so the time that he could be most useful to the town is durring the planning phase. Instead of contributing, he deconstructively bashes Gmarshal for his plan. Gmarshal's plan was PRO TOWN and a GOOD IDEA, but poor in the details. Allowing the mafia to take power roles is, and was a bad idea. Instead of helping him refine the plan, or suggesting something different, he says this: When Gmarshal takes the time to explain his reasoning, he ignores him, replying with This is an absolutely useless post for the town, and discouraging to a player who is posting opinions. Gmarshal clammed up after this, and stopped posting his ideas. What ace did was damaging to the town atmosphere. Later he posts this: I didn't say anything at the time because I figured it was just a vet with an attitude, but since then I've decided that I'm through with letting this sort of thing by. He finally comes in and agrees with something, but he contributes NOTHING at all to it. Wtf? Then he states that he's feeling lazy, and wants to relax this game? If he didn't want to play he shouldn't have signed up. This sort of attitude is anti-town, and shouldn't be allowed. After that he attacks the next thing that happens in the town: The fos's that Incog and myself started. Ace waltzes in and dismisses the behavior with one of his "I'm going to sleep" lines, and adds nothing to the discussion. He doesn't care to explain himself. He just pops in, says "lol" then leaves. This continues for some time where he makes no real contribution. He made this post talking about how I was look at things through "mafia goggles", Then he posts things like this, where he does the exact same thing to me: --------------And now I'm going to be lynched, so let me be brief.---------------------------- Ace continues to be furstratingly negative towards most activity, and starts waving a gun around. I feel like Ace is being useless, but at this point I don't think that he's mafia. I think that he just doesn't know how to play a good townie. I don't think that a mafia ace would have argued the way that he did with me, and I think that the whole gun thing was just a bluff (or not, doesn't really matter) that he used to pressure people. Maybe that was his way of getting information, but whatever. Please look at those people who said that they were uncomfortable lynching me, then voted for me anyways. (Hint: Gmarshal) I immediately find Kav's error: He doesn't read past Ace's personality. It's something you have to do when you know a player. He sees what he thinks is most important, most notably the condescending one-liners that Ace tends to give. Notice that when referencing the first GM sequence, all he takes from it is the snarky end response from Ace. You can argue that Ace's hard to read image is difficult, but it's more fun for me! I miss reading hard-to-read people like chez and bill murray, because there is always something. Instead I get people like GM and Dr.H who are about as straightforward as you can get. LOST TRAIN OF THOUGHT DERAILED CALL 911 On May 18 2011 14:10 Ace wrote: So you made a "case against Ace" followed with this: All you did was add an extra post to the game. Oh my bad, and also threw GM under the bus, even though in that same post you called his play pro-town. Conveniently you ignored the other people that voted for you. Once again, "seeing things that aren't there". You remind me of Leonardo DiCaprio in Shutter Island. In fact - you're no longer Kavdragon. You're Leonardo KavCaprio. Academy Award for best bull bullshit performance: KavCaprio Academy Award for best posing job as a Townie while being Scum: Incognito Academy Award for most awesome player of all time: Ace (unanimous votes) Academy Award for best portrayal of batman: Academy Award for best ways to shit up a thread and start random wagons: Radfield Ladies and Gentleman! The Teamliquid Awards winners! I think that summed it up pretty well, too bad I never saw shutter island. Ace isn't useless, you just have to squeeze his posts like a mango to get all the juicy details. Next up is from the little lady herself dreamboatflowerpot. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 23:21 dreamflower wrote: As I have been relatively quiet this game, I'm hoping to make up for it now by mustering my courage and actually building a case against someone that I've been suspicious about for much of the game: Ace. This seems especially timely now that people like bumatlarge are starting to believe he is pro-town. Kavdragon has already done a little of this here, though he ruined his own point by vacillating at the end and saying "I don't think he's Mafia." I, on the other hand, think Ace is most likely Mafia, after having reviewed his posts in the game for the tenth or so time. Besides, even if my case doesn't make much of an impact, I hope the simple act of sharing my thoughts about who is Mafia should help town in the long run, if only to give other scum-hunters more help in determining my alignment for themselves. As much as I can, I'm going to avoid evaluating Incognito's play so far and concentrate on Ace's responses to him, which I have found very telling. He has very loudly and noisily attacked Incognito for being scum and urged everyone to lynch him, but when pressed, his only reasoning was, "Incognito made some weird posts at the beginning of the game. He was the first one to point fingers at someone." This reasoning makes little sense to me, considering that, first of all, everyone in this game has made random posts at some point. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? What about KillerSOS, whose contributions have been largely one-liners with little thought or substance that I can find? Or anyone else who has been lurking? While Chezinu does have a reputation for being off-the-wall, this isn't a PM-allowed game where he can justify his public inanity with private ingenuity. At this point, his cryptic posts are just cluttering up the game without contributing anything comprehensible to us readers. Yet, Ace doesn't even mention Chezinu, despite the fact that his confusing posts far outweigh Incognito's. Instead, Ace's insists on going after Incognito despite his own condemnnation of people who make accusations based off 1-5 posts. Second, while Incognito's posts started out puzzling and dubious, he's since given us a wealth of thoughts, player and role analysis, and ideas. While the merits of his vote-checking plan remain in doubt and his Kavdragon read turned out to be incorrect, Incognito has undeniably been active and thoughtful and has put a lot of effort into analyzing roles and the strategies that lets the town put them to use. However, Ace never actually addresses Incognito's more substantial recent posts or criticizees the points he makes about either vote lists or Kavdragon. He avoids saying anything definitive about anyone, aside from half-heartedly criticizing people voting for Barundar. At one point, he actually agrees with Incognito about Kavdragon being timid, then inexplicably switches his vote to Radfield amid the chaos before the lynch. As far as I could tell, Ace's entire reaction to Incognito's vote-list-arranging plan and accusation against Kavdragon was more of the same that he was already posting before: a big picture of Leonardo DiCaprio, with a cute nickname for Kavdragon and another unbacked claim of Incognito posting as town, without any further reasoning behind it. Speaking of Radfield, Ace has recently started attacking him without any reasoning either, as far as I can tell. Aside from calling him sketchy once, he hasn't given any reason for now attacking Incognito and Radfield with equally rabid fervor. I admit I think some of Radfield's priorities in his early "Town Pick" and "Town No-Pick" role lists were a bit skewed, but I haven't seen anything else from him that makes me suspicious. He too has put a lot of effort into trying to help guide and lead the town, analyze fellow players, and back up his assertions with good reasons. Yet, Ace is now claiming he is scum as well. Why is Ace picking on the two most active, hardworking, and analytical players in the game, who have both done their best to offer pro-town plans? Why hasn't he offered more than one-line analyses of either of them? For that matter, why has he rarely posted more than one or two lines at a time at all this entire game? If anyone would like specific examples of Ace's posts to support my points, please let me know and I will go find them and quote them. I don't like Ace's play at all this game, because he supplies so little reasoning to support his accusations of strong players while totally ignoring non-contributing players like Chezinu or KillerSOS. Either he is just being lazy and skating on his name and reputation, or he is Mafia trying to pick off well-known players. So, today, I will be voting for him to be lynched. Qatol doesn't know this, but she and I go way back, made a lot of memories. But that's besides the point. DF does it to a much lesser extent, but you can see again the little pit they fall into when analyzing people like Ace. Ace's own early-game posts are hardly masterpieces of insight and deep thinking themselves, with witticisms like "TLDR I fell asleep reading this," "I'm going to sleep now," "The shit is this?", and "Hey, look, I have a gun!" (Hehe, I just noticed that Ace also says, "I'm going to relax this game" early on and then later, "I don't know if you're on LSD or what, but not once did I suggest "sitting back and relaxing" this game.") If Ace were really serious about accusing people who have made weird posts this game, why hasn't he said anything about Chezinu? Right there we see it. You can't focus on this stuff. People haven't been analyzing chezinu, they are just taking what they can get from him outside of reading his posts. "Oh chez is getting nuke, oh look hes not nuked" would actually be a pretty reasonable summary of chez's effect on this game. Ironically, being caught as scum against Kav taught me you really can't take everything someone says into consideration. If someone gives a whole epic speech thoroughly detailing what our plan should be and ends it with "Oh and I picked caller GF because I felt like it", you are going to have to ignore the nice speech and just analyze that one part. It's necessary when you want to properly analyze scum, because while they may not flat out slip, they do give hiccups. Now I would love to go further into Ace's posting later in the game, but I'm pressed for time. Also incog, rather then calling Ace a masterful mafia player and referencing flawed analysis, you should build a proper one on him yourself as a last ditch effort as town. If you are town. Ace is town + Show Spoiler + Don't lie, you scrolled down to see the verdict without properly reading everything, and now you clicked this spoiler. Shame on you! Also, I would rolecheck deconduo, votelist check the incog list instead of the killerSOS one, as I think a nice fat "0 mafia" would be more useful to town. Hope this is all clear. | ||
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On May 22 2011 12:06 infinitestory wrote: But that means the Incog list wouldn't give "0 mafia" Just saying there are a few people who have random votes that stayed off the votelist, so checking incog's should read 0 mafia if he is scum. Why wouldn't it unless the mafia played extremely risky. | ||
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Have you played terraria yet chez? Give me your opinions on that. | ||
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So we get GM's list regardless If he really is that DT. Pretty crazy. | ||
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I think we are in a better spot then people are making us out to be. Lack of politician and CGF, evidence of alternate GF leave 2 open roles. Neither seem to have consistent KP like CPR, so we can probably dote on what they will be. NRA Member Hero Janitor Vengeful player Zombie Framer These are what I find most likely at this point. NRA, janitor, hero and framer seem obvious, as the other two require getting lynched. They all involve causing confusion for town in order to extend the game and as such put it in their favor. I do not think they have more KP then town at this point, so we might have the upperhand if this is the case. So I think we should for the moment heed what caller and radfield say, and take more then just DT actions into consideration when deciding lynches. It will benefit us until we see more information that say otherwise. I think the radio will help a good deal with this, as I find it unlikely scum picked dt roles. And also I will have to confess, I am not really the watcher the radio will show that, but I can explain if you want me to. Otherwise, I'd rather keep my real role a secret. | ||
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GM and myself are pretty reasonably town. I'll let caller and fishball argue about how they got framed. We got a nice free lynch on tnkted, and we also know we have a lovely amount of DTs. Glad our town is smart. Mafia couldn't have known about the radio and tnkted had no reason to be covered while not on the last list iirc? Easy peezy. Also infy's same thing is interesting. Hopeful that cop is getting good info. | ||
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On May 23 2011 04:47 infinitestory wrote: Doesn't that also mean that out of Bumatlarge, Caller, GMarshal, Fishball there are 2 scum, based on who's alive + scum counts? That does NOT sound right to me, especially since GMarshal is as good as town right now. I suspect there's one mafia out of Bumatlarge, Caller, Fishball, (guess who I think it is) and the mole is hiding somewhere in those two votelists. I misread this fish, I thought it was another votelist-check. For the guy that got the radio, I sure am confused about all the DT actions. | ||
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He's just another target on mafia's long list of people to get rid of with their whopping one KP. Hope you get back in the swing chowser. | ||
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On May 24 2011 04:23 tnkted wrote: Also, how do we know that our alignment cop isn't insane? That should have been the first thing you said. You didn't think scamp was inventor? Are you even reading the thread? Adios Muchacho. | ||
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Shame I didnt have watcher, I would have watched GM I think. Also, I do agree with radfield about Ace. I do not think he is mafia, but a mole could be plausible. This should be an endgame prospect I believe, as ace did not pick traitor (KP), and Mafia does not have assasin to combo with capitalist, if N2 showed anything. Masons should eventually try to contact radfield if they haven't already. | ||
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On May 24 2011 04:59 tnkted wrote: If alignment cop IS insane, it would mean that you're the scum here bum. I find it interesting that you pop out right as I happened to implicate you. Means that you've been reading the thread, but haven't bothered contributing. Happy with the way the wagon is rolling, eh scum? No, I didn't think scamp was the inventor. Flamewheel claimed that he didn't grab it. If I was scamp, would I risk my NUMBER 2 PICK on flamewheel's word? No, I absolutely would not. The fact that scamp happened to trust it doesn't mean I did. I have not the slightest clue about anything you are saying. If you want to make a nice death post calling me scum, thats fine by me. But by what you are saying, alignment cop being insane does not implicate me, because I do not believe I was ever checked by alignment cop. If alignment cop knew he was insane from a previous check, he would have claimed. Chaoser said he checked me if that is what you misconstrued. Of course I've been reading the thread. If you could find one thing I havent gave my opinion on, I'd be surprised. FW said he was picking rockstar or jack. Even as scum, those were viable picks, there was no reason to doubt him there. We told scamp that he should be picking inventor, and I don't think he ever mentioned picking something other then inventor. I'm baffled as to how a town medic would think like this. Oh wait, is it because you're actually red? Oh that makes sense then. You never stated who you actually protected night 1. Come now, there is no watcher and the tracker is dead, your lie is safe with us. | ||
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I think that shortens a list or two right? | ||
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Otherwise, ZOOT ZOOT RIOT! | ||
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On May 23 2011 08:22 chaoser wrote: Since everyone is apparently focused on me, I'm going to claim so that we can move on from the topic of me and onto hopefully better topics. You guys can lynch me to confirm my role. I'm a Modern Detective. I only got to check bum due to missing last night and wasn't able to check anyone and got back a good result. I won't reveal his role but I will say he has a power. That means if GM is telling the truth then on the voting for INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Barundar, one of them is mafia. I'm betting on it being Foolishness from previous posts. I haven't read anything since I last posted and probably won't have time till late tomorrow night due to previously stated personal reasons. He checked me, and said it made sense. It does make sense. I'd expect scum to out me in some effort, but chaoser is keeping his mouth shut, when he would probably gain more cred just saying my role. He could be guessing? I dont really think so. | ||
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On May 24 2011 10:56 Ace wrote: bumatlarge is scum and I have proof Can you at least hint at the proof? You two did this with radfield and I did not follow at all. You better explain ace, it's in your best interest. | ||
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On May 24 2011 12:09 Eiii wrote: Just ignore ace until he actually says something I'll do whatever you mr confirmed town. Got anything good for us? mafia has to kill you eventually. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Day1 KAVDRAGON (6): Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel[/blue 2 are scum. INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar 1 is scum. Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, [blue]KillerSOS, deconduo, Fishball, Kurumi, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles, Scamp, [black]OriginalName[/black], Kavdragon, tnkted 3 are scum. Day2 KILLERSOS (10): flamewheel, meapak, kurumi, deconduo, radfield, eiii, incognito, mr. wiggles, tnkted, kitaman 2 are scum. infinitestory, killersos, ace, foolishness, chezinu, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal, barundar, node, Fishball 4 are scum. Shortening the lists, since no framing or covering role has been revealed, aside from barundar. day1 list CHECKED Caller, GMarshal 1 is scum. (Caller has to be scum, unless he was framed, or GM is scum) CHECKED Ace, Foolishness, Chaoser 1 is scum NOT CHECKED Radfield, bumatlarge, meapak, kitaman27, deconduo, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles 1 is scum (Eiii was confirmed town by infinite) day2 list CHECKED meapak, deconduo, radfield, eiii, mr. wiggles, kitaman 0 are scum. (eii again confirmed, exactly the same as the above list, so I have to be scum! thats what ace meant...) NOT CHECKED ace, foolishness, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal, 3 are scum. (So this list is essentially the same as day 1, except I am added, and so is the scum count.) So now I see what ace was saying lol. Well unless I am the mole, and ver forgot to send me a pm yesterday, one of the lists was definitely tampered with. Do not shoot me please, and it would be useless to check me, unless you believe chaoser and I are both scum. Presumably if the other GF uses his power and wants to keep the factor that I might be scum in the equation. Chaoser checked me and I came back town along with a role night 1. I don't see why he would have done this as scum, because he could have easily not said anything, or lie. Since I am town, I can reasonably assume chaoser is town as well. I can't really comment on this myself too much, but I believe I have pushed chaoser from the beginning of the game. Either I was trying to bus him the entire game, or I was wrong. Please take that into consideration tomorrow. I don't really how more to say other then the obvious. If we mislynch tomorrow, I believe I can add to the information pile to help prevent that. Along with that, we have GM and chaoser's rolechecks. Chaoser check foolishness please. GM can check me if town would like, or anyone else. If a doctor role is present, I would protect him. Along with that, we have two other miscellaneous checks, along with Ace's rolecheck. I assume Ace will use his smartly, and give the info quickly. Chaoser please reveal my role for me, so I can at least be certain of you. | ||
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Bum was having his usual identity crysis, which isn't a far cry from his call of duty for tonight. Rest assured, there was no halo above his head. Bum had a list, which he checked frequently, not really to see who was naughty or not, but because he kept forgetting exactly who was on it. Incognito was a fine gentleman, but unfortunately the adjacent name, Ace, was not so well-behaved. It is obvious that Ace's misdemeanor triggered this quest. The three others on the list were oddly selected, almost random suspects to give bum options. Mr. Wiggles, Kurumi, Kitaman. It was a shame that Kuremo cut himself, and in doing so cut the blue wire in his wrist, killing two other townies. He would have been a nice person to kill. Bum thought very hard about his responsibility. Very hard, in fact, he still had not made a decision, til this very moment. Bum waited until midnight for him to climb up a roof and knock over a few light infested gutters to reach a chimney. Being half starved, he hopped smoothly down the chimney, and using pure homeless powers, he glided safely, now hovering inches above the stone. Everyone knows bums can't walk on residential stonework. He stepped lightly onto the wood floor and walked up the stairs. On the wall was a picture of two-fAce, during a happier time. Bum continued his trek. The next picture had a picture of the Wiggler, in a nice green suit. What a funny guy. The last picture was of Katiman, bum's genderconfused callthing. Obviously the person living here knew them all. Bum's face grew heavy with each step, as he tossed this idea through his head like an unpinned grenade. At the door of the bedroom he pushed it open gently, and walked through. His movement's hinted at the task at hand, but his eyes betrayed his thoughts. Luckily it was too dark to see. He stood over the bed, pulled out an object of undetermined lethality, and pulled back the sheets. | ||
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Anyway, think its pretty obvious to go caller now, and foolishness and chaoser cant be scum unless one is the GF. And I see two KP :X any thoughts? | ||
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Radfield - town GMarshal - town Foolishness bumatlarge - town Chaoser - town Eiii - town meapak - town kitaman27 What I think, the other two scum are among the 3 others. If anyone has information, now is the time! | ||
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Perhaps you should claim caller. | ||
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Foolishness is obvious because of his connections with ace and what not, but I wouldn't say he has been scummy. Kita has been mostly a nonfactor this game, totally lurkish. Maybe I just haven't been paying close attention, but he seems like a good mole candidate. | ||
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NRA Member You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person that tries to visit you each day and night gets killed at the end of the cycle and their action on you does not occur. Listchecks do not count, but everything else does. Role checks will reveal you as vanilla. The suicide bomber overrides your redneck defense. I think I pointed this out? Anyways, of the 8 of us left, 1 is the mole presumably, and I think it would be a little unfair to have more then one, since I think 8+/25 red even if they dont know each other with a possible traitor in the set-up is too much. I don't think anyone gave word on the traitor, so I guess until people come forward with other facts, we can ignore that. I think now it's just one mole? So I would suggest alignment checking now, since it is rare that he is the GF. Still very confused on the votecheck lists, since I see no framer/GF and the lists don't seem to add up properly? Maybe they do with a mole... Hm. Yeah 5 mafia make sense. GM use the votechecker on one of the lists radfield gave you. Basically getting a check on any list that doesn't include myself or chaoser, and has half the players, gives us a win. KillerSOS Day2. That basically narrows it down to where it is a guarenteed win. GM will probably get shot. | ||
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Have to agree, kita has just been suspicious, but I think more so after night 2 then earlier. That does seem odd. Either way, GM is going to die, because if killerSOS pops a different number, kita is scum IMO, and if it doesnt foolishness is. That means I dont get shot, yay, and chaoser can check kita, and Eii can check foolishness' role. | ||
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Or they just want to play it out. | ||
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On May 29 2011 03:14 Foolishness wrote: Going to vote meapak; still not convinced we even have a mole. I'd think the only way meapak would be scum is if he was the mole. Dreamflower was the one who made that analysis on Ace. You could go back and check it for clues, but she did call him scum. | ||
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This end game more or less leads us into "we will probably win" not we will win if we are a good town. We have to rely on a little bit of luck and our instincts. I'll read back on what Ace said about you rad, and I really think you wouldn't be a mole over GM, but I know jack shit. Eiii has become a pointless lynch, because I think the mole has to be GM or Rad, maybe kitaman. Hopefully that isn't a by product of two townies arguing with one another. Since GM's power is virtually useless now, and killing him does confirm the list, I don't see much reason not to. Lynching rad would be abysmal, because we haven't gotten enough meat to convict him, and lynching a BP at this point would be horrendous. Good luck kita, hopefully you get shot, or you manage to get a protect off tomorrow, either will lead us to a near certain win. And my apologies to GM, but you gave me permission! ##Vote GMarshal | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: GM at this point no townie should be defending themselves like this. I know I told incog that a townie wanting to die is stupid but at this point all townies should be willing to die. Foolishness has called for my death several times and I'd be more than happy to do so in order to prove my alignment. These last few pages have convinced me. sorry for being afk, I was at the movies -_- I dont understand, are you complimenting him or berating him? | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:11 Foolishness wrote: I want someone who is town to go through the game and find all the cases where a known mafia (now dead) talked about one of the remaining 4 people on the list. Ignore all the cases between Radfield and Ace (but if any of the other mafia talked about Radfield please list them). ugh you're refering to me aren't you? Tried it got really bored, but I'll do it again tomorrow. I don't think I'll make it to see the flop on whoever it is (i dont really care, its not like we are looking for scum influence), as I am dead tired. Good sweet prince, whoever you are. | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I think you should claim now. Everyone has claimed and if your role is that good then Kita can just protect you. Otherwise you really have nothing to hide and by not claiming you're starting to remind me of caller. Why should he claim? Perhaps we don't benefit from kita protecting him. Keep it a secret if you think you need to. He's town, you might not be. | ||
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