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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 03:03:57
May 10 2011 03:02 GMT
#1441
On May 10 2011 12:00 GGQ wrote:
Yo vig here, just shot redtooth because I'm quite sure he's gf. Cross your fingers.

looks like he held the gun backwards.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 10 2011 03:04 GMT
#1442
lol.

chaoser's got some major balls with the fake dt claim. My guess is that the medics ignored our requests to protect him and mafia double-stacked.

What the hell was GGQ thinking?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 10 2011 03:04 GMT
#1443
Haha that was interesting.

Vig should claim.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
May 10 2011 03:04 GMT
#1444
Interesting, that Chaoser flipped Veteran. Also, it means that the medics didn't protect Chaoser. Since, even a single medic protection should have saved him.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 10 2011 03:05 GMT
#1445
Also, the fact that chaoser died means he was double stacked, which makes me pretty confident that this is a no medic setup.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 10 2011 03:08 GMT
#1446
^agree. Lynching another scum today would be huge, because that'd lower the kp down to 1.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
May 10 2011 03:15 GMT
#1447
Ugh. I refuse to believe that town medics were stupid enough to let chaoser die. A no medic setup, maybe?
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 03:17 GMT
#1448
I really don't understand GGQs post. Was he trying to trick the vig into not shooting him by fake claiming? If so he did it way way too late to be effective lol. And the vig needs to claim.

Like kitaman said for chaoser to have been shot twice there's almost no way we have any medics.

For GGQ to be mafia and not have been GF. We need to look really closely at the few remaining vets in the game. Primarily kita/redtooth/ilovejonn.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 10 2011 03:24 GMT
#1449
On May 10 2011 12:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Haha that was interesting.

Vig should claim.



On May 10 2011 12:17 Mig wrote:
I really don't understand GGQs post. Was he trying to trick the vig into not shooting him by fake claiming? If so he did it way way too late to be effective lol. And the vig needs to claim.

Like kitaman said for chaoser to have been shot twice there's almost no way we have any medics.

For GGQ to be mafia and not have been GF. We need to look really closely at the few remaining vets in the game. Primarily kita/redtooth/ilovejonn.


Why?
t(ツ)t
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 10 2011 03:25 GMT
#1450
Because they are a confirmed town.

It also prevents scum from fake claiming later on.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 03:38:24
May 10 2011 03:25 GMT
#1451
"Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes, people deserve more."

Glad my fake claim worked.

Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 03:25 GMT
#1452
Because then we have a confirmed townie. And the vig can only fire once so not like hes going to be a huge target for the mafia.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 10 2011 03:26 GMT
#1453
Why do you guys want the vig to claim? Putting himself out there is pretty close to suicide. Our medics won't even protect an obv blue, so doing that is just asking to get killed by scum.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 10 2011 03:26 GMT
#1454
Ohh, I see.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 10 2011 03:29 GMT
#1455
Lol @ Chaoser.
Imo, if Amber didn't flip red that would be funny as hell.
t(ツ)t
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 10 2011 03:32 GMT
#1456
On May 10 2011 12:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why do you guys want the vig to claim? Putting himself out there is pretty close to suicide. Our medics won't even protect an obv blue, so doing that is just asking to get killed by scum.

Claiming vig after the shot is like claiming townie. it doesn't make you any more of a target.

Oh yeah, and I'm tending to agree that we don't have any medics. It's either that or the medics are incredibly stupid.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
May 10 2011 03:44 GMT
#1457
Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on.

To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities.

On May 09 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
Actually I take back what I said about ilovejonn, he seems townie enough in his posts so far, I don't remember why I felt red about him. Maybe a misplaced feeling.


Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 10 2011 03:47 GMT
#1458
I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Night all!
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4440 Posts
May 10 2011 04:16 GMT
#1459
Good work chaoser. Sorry I accused you

After GGQ's flip we are down to the godfather and 2 goons. More roleblock claims are outright lies.

On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote:
Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on.

To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities.

Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
Actually I take back what I said about ilovejonn, he seems townie enough in his posts so far, I don't remember why I felt red about him. Maybe a misplaced feeling.


Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed.

You should definitely be on the agenda today. Chaoser may have been right the first time. I've been worried about you since early in the game.

Sinani and EternalMisfit are the others. We never got the analysis from chaoser on EternalMisfit and he chose not to on ilovejonn. I suggest lynch Sinani today and we pressure the other two.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4440 Posts
May 10 2011 05:25 GMT
#1460
On elmizzt

I know we are focusing on the three others, but I'd like to bring an extra one to the table. There has been some interaction between him and EternalMisfit.

Voting pattern:

Day 1 votes redtooth
Day 2 votes Beneather, then the last person to switch to Amber[Light].

He has played one previous mafia game in which he was a mafia goon, Surprisingly normal mini-mafia 1.

First up, an early defence of Irish_Punk13. Note that it is a subtle defence, not an outright one.

On May 04 2011 14:48 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 14:46 orgolove wrote:
Is Irish a new player? Could make sense if he's new - he wouldn't want his first game end so quickly.

Irish seems like he's claiming to be a pretty experienced player, what with him linking to a Mafia group outside TL that he is a member of.


Attack on Kurumi and FoS on redtooth

Next are three pushes on Cthasza. At this point lots of people, including Chaoser, were ignoring the Jackal/Cthazsa exchange.

Here is the explanation for his vote on redtooth. It comes with an interesting exchange with kitaman27.

On May 06 2011 04:40 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 04:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Redtooth

He calls chaoser out for being too safe, yet rather than calling anyone out as scum, he posts a town list. It seems as if he doesn't want to upset anyone so early in the game.

On May 05 2011 02:20 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 04 2011 21:37 redtooth wrote:
@orgolove - The first vote was a joke between me and HeavonEarth (who I know very well from LoL days) where I wasn't in the game at all and just decided to poke at him anyways.


On October 24 2010 18:01 redtooth wrote:
##vote Kitaman27


I assure everyone, there was no inside joke taking place when this vote was cast. The fact that you were smurfing in a previous game doesn't bother me, but what interests me is why would you lie about it.


I called him out earlier on a lie, not because I care that he was smurfing, but to see how he responds and he completely ignores it. The way he disappears after stirring the pot makes him look shifty, but he claims to have real life obligations, which makes it tough to tell if he is lurking or not.

I haven't forgotten about redtooth's dodge of the proof that he was lying either. I'm putting in my vote for him unless he posts an explanation.
More on redtooth

Here are some of his explanation for voting for Beneather:

On May 08 2011 11:54 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:52 elmizzt wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:38 GGQ wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:
On May 08 2011 03:15 ilovejonn wrote:
I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum.

Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes.

On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (:


On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:
On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:
[quote]
Scum aren't a threat????
I know where my vote is going.


Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum.


The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away.

On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him?

##Vote: Beneather

This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind.


Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in...


And all you're doing is vaguely questioning people. Post something solid.


Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting.

On May 08 2011 11:38 elmizzt wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:
On May 08 2011 03:15 ilovejonn wrote:
I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum.

Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes.

On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (:


On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:
On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:
[quote]
Scum aren't a threat????
I know where my vote is going.


Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum.


The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away.

On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him?

##Vote: Beneather

This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind.


Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in...

Yea, I'm not a heavy poster in mafia, but I read everything.

And don't you think posting less would be sticking out, and posting more blending in?


No, posting less allows you to lurk with the 10 others that have only a handful of posts, including the guy you just voted against, Beneather. Posting more allows us to have a better idea of where you stand and will eventually result in scum slips if you are red.

Then why did I stick out to you?


Because I'm looking for scum. Are you concerned about sticking out?

Make up your mind. Am I doing a "to good job blending in" or sticking out?


This exchange is very odd. I'd like the opinions of others on it. How could he think that posting less is sticking out, yet he is pushing Beneather for not posting much? No opinion of the lurking of Amber is given.

In surprisingly normal mini, he pushed another inactive player as a lynch target. Also note that many of his posts are one-liners, another trait he displayed in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia.

CONCLUSION

elmizzt defended Irish_Punk13 covertly at the beginning of the game.
elmizzt has directly attacked Kurumi and Beneather who have flipped town. He also heavily went after Cthsazsa who at this point is almost definitely town.
He waited until the last possible moment to switch to Amber.
His posting is very similar to how he was Mafia in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia 1.
He is contributing very little, mostly one-liners.
He has a very strange explanation for his lack of activity.

I think he is worth looking at as well.

EternalMisfit is next on my analysis list.
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