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tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2011 03:04 GMT
#221
I wrote up a big long post that explained why doc1 was scum but was having a really hard time with it. Then I realized that the reason I was having a hard time proving he was scum from his typing was because... he's not scum. The brunt of my scumread on him was related to his complete disengagement with sleepy who posted this, which while it wasn't very convincing evidence, nonetheless passed as pressure at that stage in the game. Since then though, he's been posting more and better, so I'm thinking he's probably town at this point.

Doc has actually been posting some fairly useful stuff this game, although its somewhat rare. He hasn't actually stuck out with an opinion about anything, but he has pressured a fair amount and pushed back when he was pressured upon.

Some of this better posts:

On April 17 2011 11:02 doc1 wrote:
Another thing to note is how easily this wagon on claudius is forming without any defense at all (although he is a lurker so if he was scum his buddy could just be thinking "fuck it")


Nobody had pointed this out at the time, and it was useful. Probably what convinced me not to vote for claudius.

Doc was also one of the only people to post a scumlist, although his analysis is (in his own words) very weak.

On April 17 2011 12:43 doc1 wrote:
Well in no particuler order:

Sneezy: Lurking useless etc.

Augustus: Very much a gutread at this point something about just turns me the wrong way but placing my finger on it is difficult, maybe it's what I see as an angry tone. In either case its a really weak scumread at this point.

Tiberious seems town as my only real problem was a really weak technicality in one post.

I guess I should vote for who's scum so

##Vote Sneezy1


Augustus didn't seem scummy to me at all to be honest, but I guess i might not have been reading the first two pages all that closely. The last minute switch off of sneezy onto augustus which saved sneezy's life actually came from somebody else.

No, the person I'm convinced is actually scum is dopey1. Lets look at his 8 posts, only 6 of which have actually been in this thread.

On April 16 2011 14:30 dopey1 wrote:
Well okey dokey, I think it's wise to follow the "don't roleclaim" advice (as of now) if the host says so. 2 mafia of 11 seems rather scarce, no? Makes me feel a little shorthanded in the blue department. Also, no role reveal is a bitch, but not like it matters too much yet. I'm guessing with one(?) mafia KP, we should probably vote for it by day 3 regardless and have a potential vig save his shot so we can address different outcomes better.

Besides that, I ain't got shit to say lol...


This was the first post of substance in the thread after the day post came out. The bolded section makes me feel a little nervous (passive aggressively rebuking our host perhaps?), although there is no clear read here yet.

On April 16 2011 17:20 dopey1 wrote:
I'm thinking because of the GF part? No roles are guaranteed to be in the set-up. I do believe he is right about claims being easily faked. Though I personally think GF is unlikely with no role-reveal. All depends though


This is fairly scummy. He's saying that he agrees with somebody else (thanks for the HUGE contribution), but then he says the bolded section about the GF which, if the mafia team HAD a GF would be exactly the sort of thing mafia would want the town to think.

And as a matter of fact, I suspect that mafia does have a GF. My reason? 2 mafia. This is a 2 + a few traitor vs 12 - traitor setup. Assuming that the mafia has two traitors (worst case), we can be sure that mafia will probably have a GF. This is because mafia doesn't have communication ability with the two traitors and has only one KP the whole game. That makes mafia assets exactly one GF, one RB/Goon, and 2 other players they can't even communicate with. Without a GF town would be pretty OP.

On April 18 2011 11:06 dopey1 wrote:
Oopsy daisy.

Thought the augustus lynch was justified. He seemed to support a very anti-town fear-mongering despair that basful and caligula pointed out. Then he went maximum aggression mode, which is the next basic step for a mafia who gains nothing by dying (lynching 1 mafia gives us a free end-game lynch unless vig is around)

I'll try to contribute more for the next lynch and actually vote :X


Dopey defending his augustus lynch. Not much to see here, interesting that he failed to vote. My first thought was that he failed to vote on purpose, in an attempt to give us less info on him later in the game, although I think thats just me being paranoid.

On April 19 2011 04:05 dopey1 wrote:
Why do people think bashful was vig'd? I think that's a pretty out there claim...

Scum aren't lurking. When two intelligent random townies argue, eventually they realize to themselves that the other isn't proving to be anti-town, it's just the natural course of things. I don't post a lot because I am keeping my eyes open and waiting for an opportunity to contribute, rather then blabbing on hoping my posts look townie. I'm trying not to get hit, and I won't let town lynch me (try me).

On point, one of tiberius and augustus would be scum. When people are having a discussion, and it is obviously going no-where in terms of content, then you have scum trying to pass off as town. That has those two written all over it. I haven't seen the dramatic fashion of posts from other players. They seem borderline desperate. It could be the work of a passionate but useless townie, but not both of them. Glad augustus was lynched, and it would be in town's best interest to lynch off tiberius now. Hope your happy (OOH SNAP)


This is extremely scummy, as happy's pointed out earlier (gj happy). I'm fairly certain that this is a slip. Go read it again. True townies aren't afraid to blab their mouthes off, because they're certain that no matter how stupidly they act, their natural proclivities will prove them townies to an unbiased observer. Dopey, on the other hand, is telling us he doesn't want to post too much in in order to "hope to look townie." Who else but a mafia thinks that way?


No, Dopey is pretty obviously the mafia here, not doc. Dopey's only constructive post was his first one, all of his later ones have been fairly mundane and unhelpful to town.

#vote dopey1
doc1
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
April 19 2011 05:34 GMT
#222
Well uh...

Guess I will deliver with my promise In regards to the one post you linked I didn't ignore it but at the time I honestly didnt give a flying fuck what people had to say I just wanted to find some sort of lead off of the meager amount of information.

Other than that your anslysis looks solid from here im not against that lynch at all but I want to wait for other opinions (In particuler Dopey's opinion on his own play) before I actually hop in the wagon.

Definite FoS Dopey1 tho
grumpy1
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
April 19 2011 05:42 GMT
#223
I agree with you, tiberius. It's a pretty good case against dopey.

Also, you didn't pay much attention to this post, but I think it might be a pretty big slip.

On April 18 2011 11:06 dopey1 wrote:
Oopsy daisy.

Thought the augustus lynch was justified. He seemed to support a very anti-town fear-mongering despair that basful and caligula pointed out. Then he went maximum aggression mode, which is the next basic step for a mafia who gains nothing by dying (lynching 1 mafia gives us a free end-game lynch unless vig is around)

I'll try to contribute more for the next lynch and actually vote :X


First, there's the "oopsy daisy". It could be referring to his failure to vote, but there's something else going on here...

Why does he feel the need to justify the lynch? How come he needs to come in during the aftermath and say that he agreed with what happened? He's acting like he knows augustus was town. And beyond that, town shouldn't need to justify lynches they didn't vote with after the fact -- it's like he's covering his ass for voting wrong.

##Vote: dopey1
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 11:07:15
April 19 2011 11:06 GMT
#224
The night post might be a bit late. At my internship I can't get on TL.net, and I am not sure if meapak knows to get up and do the day post which is at 6am his time. I will try to find some proxies while at work. But as far as now, the day will at the usual time, but no guarantees when the post is.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
April 19 2011 12:45 GMT
#225
Got up at five so I am good . Don't worry about your proxies RoL I've got this.
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caligula1
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 19 2011 12:51 GMT
#226
Good case tiberius.

##Vote Dopey
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
April 19 2011 13:04 GMT
#227
[image loading]

Good morning subjects. From the voting tally I see that Dopey1 has been killed, his smurf is being deactivated as we speak. After much discussion hardly any discussion, I hope you all were able to speak your piece and had a hand in the decision.

It is now night! You have 16 hours to send in your actions.
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tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2011 13:20 GMT
#228

Uh, was that a bandwagon or am I just good at persuading people? Dopey never even got a chance to reply...

Well, fuck him, he's scum.

AYE
sneezy1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 19 2011 13:23 GMT
#229
ugh, you people suck, i try to write analysis and you all go around and change your opinions of bloody everyone.

This just in short, from what i've noticed so far:

dopey1: solid case against him from tiberius, seems to have made several slips and hasn't really been contributing to town at all. looks to be a very good lynch target.
doc1: has been posting actively but the usefulness of his posts in general can be doubted. tiberius does seem to very easily throw away the possibility that he's scum and that doesn't really sit right with me here.
happy1: very pro-town so far and i don't see a reason to doubt he's not town. if the amount of scum remaining ends up being 2 then yes, it's gonna be pretty suspicious but for now he's being more contributing then anyone else.
sleepy1: can't really get a read based off his posting. leaning town.
grumpy1: pressures people making stupid points and idea's, doesn't really do much else.
tiberius1: was under slight suspicion because of the night kill on augustus but like i said before, it's prolly a scum trick to make him look bad.
caligula1: actively tries and point out/pressure lurkers and people acting scummy. pretty town.
claudius1: same as caligula1, kinda pro-town, but should cut down on stating the obvious.
sneezy1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 19 2011 13:23 GMT
#230
wait fuck it's night already? oh my god >.< missed the damn vote again by like 20 minutes...........
sneezy1
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
April 19 2011 13:25 GMT
#231
Oh well.....not like it'd have changed anything here.

##activate the flip ability revealing how many scum are left/what the next lynch flips as.
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2011 13:25 GMT
#232
You know, actually, I think it might be better to leave the reveal until late game so we know if we're in a Lylo or not.

NAY
dopey1
Profile Joined April 2011
9 Posts
April 19 2011 13:28 GMT
#233
Well then, guess that was my fault. Good luck.
claudius1
Profile Joined April 2011
28 Posts
April 19 2011 15:01 GMT
#234
On April 19 2011 22:25 tiberius1 wrote:
You know, actually, I think it might be better to leave the reveal until late game so we know if we're in a Lylo or not.

NAY

haha, we lose this game if we haven't lynched a mafia already, or don't get one tomorrow.

Current players = 7 (5 town, 2 mafia)(or 6 town, 1 mafia)
Night = 6 (4 town, 2 mafia)( or 5 town, 1 mafia)
lynch = 5(3 town, 2 mafia) (or 4 town, 1 mafia)
night = 4( 2 town, 2 mafia) or (3 town, 1 mafia)

We need to use ability tonight to know if we are lylo for next lynch... because if both mafia are alive for tomorrows lynch, and me miss lynch, we die, unless we can protect / get a lucky hit on a vet.

So:

activate the town's ability
claudius1
Profile Joined April 2011
28 Posts
April 19 2011 15:05 GMT
#235
Wait I'm retarded...

Current players = 8
night = 7
lynch = 6
night = 5
lynch = 4

its lylo next lynch, disregard what I said above...

Unvote for ability
sleepy1
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
April 19 2011 15:57 GMT
#236
On April 19 2011 22:25 tiberius1 wrote:
You know, actually, I think it might be better to leave the reveal until late game so we know if we're in a Lylo or not.

NAY


lol...seriously? I say we activate tonight. Why wait for LYLO? We want to get the info before we get to LYLO

activate the night ability
caligula1
Profile Joined April 2011
39 Posts
April 19 2011 16:37 GMT
#237
Using the ability gives us the the alignment of the next lynch also, so we will still know whether or not its lylo. Using it tonight gives us the most information.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#238
Thanks meapak, you are awesome. I spent like 1.5 hours looking for proxies to no avail. Finally I realize the detectives computers I work with can access blocked sites. One of them let me on and I checked the thread. Sorry for making you get up so early.

best cohost ever.
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tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 19 2011 17:14 GMT
#239
Well, I think we've already hit a scum.

On April 19 2011 22:28 dopey1 wrote:
Well then, guess that was my fault. Good luck.


I really suspect he isn't wishing good luck to town.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 18:00:21
April 19 2011 17:58 GMT
#240
shit, that'll show me to try and post from my phone
whole lies with a half smile
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