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I've only sort of been following this game, so I'll need to read through. Could somebody explain to me why i'm scummy?
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I've only sort of been following this game, so I'll need to read through. Could somebody explain to me why i'm scummy? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 29 2011 06:39 VarpuliS wrote: Hi guys! iGrok will probably release this in a few minutes, but I'm replacing in for why. All suspicion should now be transferred to me. I've only sort of been following this game, so I'll need to read through. Could somebody explain to me why i'm scummy? You made four posts day 1, then right as day 2 starts, you jump right into trying to lynch Ace forgoing Jackal who you voted for day 1. You were also on GM's vig list, and that makes me want to watch you more closely, because GM died, and the scum voting for him obviously felt pressured by him or thought he was an asset to town, the vig list being those he most pressured. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:07 bumatlarge wrote: Please quote an explanation of the list thing because my read-through provided me with nothing. With a valid reason to it, I have no reason to vote you. um...you voted for me. lol. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 29 2011 08:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So... did the thread die? I want to type more on my new keyboard :p Breadcrumb? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
No, it was my birthday a couple days ago, and I got a mech keyboard, and blue switches are really fun to type on. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:31 Ace wrote: Explain. Those 2 posts by Rean refer to me because I was the one calling him out. Other than that I don't see how the bolded statement is true. This would be a good arguement if you hadn't looked at all of Rean's posts. Go do that. The only ones that are relevant to the game at all are posts where he is talking about how stupid breadcrumbing is. I think he was fishing for other scum when he posted: fos list so far: ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists[ He thought me or you or somebody else was the CL. On second thought, could he possibly have received a message from the CL that early in the game? CL gets to send once every morning and once every night correct? I don't think examining Rean's posts is entirely useless at this point. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I still think bumatlarge is our lynch for today. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Analysis on Jackal58 The Check Alright initially I was just going to give an analysis and link reasons as to why Jackal was Cell Leader, but the evidence is so damning, that I figured it would be pointless to hide my identity as I become an obvious target once Jackal pops. I am an INTELLIGENCE ANALYST. I checked Jackal last night and recieved this: Results of the investigation on Jackal58: Insufficient Information for Analysis I was already suspicious of Jackal with his potential breadcrumbing I had picked up, but I wanted to see if I could get away with just putting analysis on jackal claiming him to be Cell Leader, so that if mafia targetted me, people could pick up on that connection. BREADCRUMBS OF BREADCRUMBS! I call them Nano-Crumbs! Genius! Well, I went through Jackal's evidence, and I found it very strong. Why not off Jackal now and destroy anything communication mafia could have from here on out? I can't really assume medic protection like in XXXVIII, because more likely then not we don't have them. If we do, I'll get to that. I am 100% going to be hit tomorrow if this is as spot-on as I think. The Crumbs On April 25 2011 21:38 Jackal58 wrote: I was thinking about this on my way to work Ace. (Hour + drive and I spend it thinking about Mafia. I need help.) In this setup would it not be even more beneficial for scum to lurk? Why I ask is it would seem to me that if what Wiggles said is true "scum can kill scum" and we can lynch them when they slip up what incentive do they have to post at all other than to avoid a mod kill? If they try to appear town their scum buddies can kill them. If they try to hide and skate we'll lynch them. I understand that scum still know they're scum but I believe this setup will drastically alter their behavior. As in making it almost non existent. So to that end I would like iGrok to verify Wiggles statement of scum being able to kill scum. I'm not getting that from the OP. And if that is the way it works I'm thinking we should just lynch the least active player each day. Maybe I'm thinking to much into this. Can scum hit scum at night? Here is the first item of interest. Jackal mentions an hour long drive. Initially did not make note of it, as I do this all the time driving. But Jackal mentions it of course. A crumb like this could utilize very phew words. Car or CarTrip. He could potentially be confused with tnkted, the busdriver, so I don't think he could get away with just saying car, or something short. On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote: Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes. So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. Chancing another one are we jackal? Another mention about his car ride. Oh what a lovely breadcrumb. On April 28 2011 08:00 Jackal58 wrote: It took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. My ride home last night was brutal. It was back to the norm tonight. Just long. In reference to me pointing it out. I suppose you could skip this, but I think jackal wants to get it noticed! That's really all I have, but I think that's all I really need. So my dt check and these. Thats two down one to go. The Cell I don't really feel I need to make a huge in-depth analysis on his behavior, since it will not be strongest point, even if I was 10x the analyzer. To summarize what I make of jackal's posts, I will only to briefly skim them, even if he has a lot. The first thing I notice is his obsession with Cell Leader. Everytime someone mentions it, he is sure to comment. Not that it is a bad thing, but it is easily his most discussed topic. There is plenty for him to discuss, but for the entire first few days it has to be about breadcrumbs. So you can imagine how he thrived when Ace brought up the lists. I will spoiler everything I find relevant below here. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 18:55 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. Your breadcrumbing thing almost got me killed in XXXVII. A. Because you worded your question weirdly B. Because I'm not that bright. Please don't get me killed. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how. I kinda understand what you are saying but how can we identify a breadcrumb if we only see half of it? Maybe if somebody keeps using the same word or phrase repeatedly but even then it would be hard to pick out. If you have a suggestion for how we might be able to spot these please feel free to share. I have trouble spotting breadcrumbs when I know what I'm supposed to be looking for.  On April 25 2011 22:04 Jackal58 wrote: So we would know what to look for. I hadn't considered what the cell leader may or may not be capable of thinking of. On April 26 2011 00:53 Jackal58 wrote: First thought that crossed my mind is he's the cell leader looking for us to do his breadcrumbing for him. But I'm willing to play along to see where he was going. On April 26 2011 00:32 Jackal58 wrote: I think I disagree with that. I think scum are doing a huge wtf do I do atm. It will be the end of day two at the earliest before they would all know who the GF is. That's assuming 4 sleepers. What do they do in the meantime? Would seem to me they'd have to pretty much hide. With possibly 1/3 of the players having a scum role they run a one in three chance of killing one of their team mates. I think it is most likely that we will see a players activity level increase a bit after he has been contacted by his Leader but even then he most likely will only know 1 member. I think I'm liking towns chances in this the more I think about it. On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote: Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. Yay for Jackal's obsession! On April 26 2011 06:22 Jackal58 wrote: I think if you are scum in this set up you are forced into hiding until you know who is on your team. I am town. I have nothing to hide from town. My biggest let down would be to become a mislynch for town. Lynches are the only means we have to win. Scum will target pro town at night. I have no control over that. If I get shot that just means scum thought I was doing a good job. Scum can't afford to post much. If they attempt to appear too much like town they run the risk of being killed by their own teammates at night. They do not yet possess the knowledge to bandwagon lynches so they are on their own in that respect. Not to mention running the risk of lynching their own. Or slipping up and getting lynched themselves. I really think activity levels will tell a story when this game is over. Just my opinion. Another thing to note is Jackal and Ace's relationship this game. Ace put jackal on his list, but jackal did not do the same. I'd assume Ace would be very selective with his list, but Jackal seems slightly out of place. I believe Ace has already identified jackal as the Cell Leader, and he hasn't said anything because Ace is a Sleeper! On April 25 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote: My 3 would be tnkted Tackster GMarshall My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it. Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from. GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that. All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other. For that to happen something has to be left in the thread. GM died and tackster was modkilled, so I'm fairly certain tnkted is not an agent. Jackal is very opposed to him and consistently berates him for his breadcrumbs, possibly trying to set tnk as the cell leader instead. In fact he makes a tnk analysis! Wooo thanks for making this easy jackal! On April 26 2011 23:37 Jackal58 wrote: We have about 12 hours remaining until day is up. So it's time we begin to decide who is going to be our first lynch. I really hate day 1 in these games. I pretty much suck at the beginning of these. That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him. Let's start with this one. So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role: And then continued again: And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts. He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it. Now this post: Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells? I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do? And lastly Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get. I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted. Sorry twinkles. Things I gather: 1) Jackal knows tnk is a power roled blue. 2) Jackal is definitely trying to set tnkted as a lynch target 3) If Jackal succeeds, is eliminates a blue and gets a mislynch. Yay for jackal! That's about what I got. Also, here is some funny stuff. Just sayin if this is right, then I called it first. On April 26 2011 08:01 Jackal58 wrote: Happy birthday Mr. Wiggles. On April 26 2011 08:06 Ace wrote: Happy Birthday Wiggles. Impervious can you list your 3 players? And Ace posts right after. Ace defintely knows Jackal is CL lololololol, and I think ace was trying to identify if jackal was pointing wiggles out as another agent. That would be hilarious. (Tackster said happy birthday too! But he doesn't count lololol) On April 29 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No, it was my birthday a couple days ago, and I got a mech keyboard, and blue switches are really fun to type on. Oh happy birthday wiggles! Im sure jackal wished you happy birthday in that message he sent you as well. So like, does mafia want to concede now, or do they want to make this enjoyable for me? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On April 29 2011 10:07 Ace wrote: Even so there is no way for us to verify he got a message from the CL. Even if he did and was guessing about you or myself we don't have many posts of his to look at. I still think bumatlarge is our lynch for today. Cha-ching! | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I'm sorry, Batman. ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On April 29 2011 11:06 VarpuliS wrote: I'm tending to agree with Ace here. Zorkmid was even more aggressive and spammy than last time I played with him, and the ragequit while under pressure is really strange. I just don't get why a townie would do something like that. I'm sorry, Batman. ##Vote: bumatlarge Nah it's cool bro. While getting lynched would be really whack of town, it would cater to my selfish desires. Plus I'll be busy over the weekend, so I'm kinda planning on dying now. Kinda glad zorky gave me that role. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
Thank you, Batman. ##Unvote: bumatlarge | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
When the day started and why claimed I was scum you sided with him and voted for me as a lynch candidate. Not once did you mention anything about Jackal. When I refuted his post against me all of a sudden you come out with a claim that Jackal is scum - even though your investigation turns up insufficient. Like I said before this would be well and good because you have to take a chance but the fact that you voted for me when the day started kind of kills this proof. If you knew Jackal was scum why would you vote for me? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On April 29 2011 11:13 Ace wrote: bum that is some of the dumbest logic I've ever seen. You are REALLY trying to warp the fabric of reality there. Either way I'm calling bs on your claim: When the day started and why claimed I was scum you sided with him and voted for me as a lynch candidate. Not once did you mention anything about Jackal. When I refuted his post against me all of a sudden you come out with a claim that Jackal is scum - even though your investigation turns up insufficient. Like I said before this would be well and good because you have to take a chance but the fact that you voted for me when the day started kind of kills this proof. If you knew Jackal was scum why would you vote for me? Playing dumb was hard man, give me some credit>>> Already deduced you were scum bro, hopefully I could have saved some blue face and helped why get you lynched, but he subbed out. If I could get another check off on wiggles or someone while not sticking my dick out for mafia to chop off, why not take it? I like how you call my logic dumb and then reference nothing. You don't think I know that game fool? I'd be impressed if you take the lynch off of jackalz and put it on to me, because "DT should always be lynched first" in this situation, right Ace? But even then, I could probably be the Cell Leader trying to buy some more days for sleepers to get more acquainted, (couldn't be agent, cuz jackal could easily be an agent or the real CL as well) so I would be totally cool with myself getting lynched, because it would be GG once I pop. In fact, I would totally do this as CL, expect I would leave out the part where I would get lynched first. WIFOM you say? I take Wifom, and I treat it to a nice dinner, then I take that WIFOM home and I make it my bitch. I don't call back. Maybe I should vote for myself? So that you don't get credit for doing this again lololol... But seriously jackal should get lynched. Town can make that easy decision without Ace calling it retarded. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4199 Posts
I say we go for it. Right now. Maybe get Ace tomorrow? Although, bum, I don't like how you're already revealing yourself..... I don't think you were in any danger yet, so it seems unnecessary at this point. | ||
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