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On April 12 2011 13:43 Protactinium wrote:
It's very interesting to see how much panic there is at the thought of me getting office. I'm not the serial killer lol, I don't have to kill the town to lose. If I'm in office I actually want to lower mafia KP because I don't want my bodyguards dying because when that happens it's game over. But things are always a little deeper than they appear at the surface.
If you think about it, you'll actually find that really there isn't any way I can effectively screw town and win. So the only question is, will I screw over the town just because? No that would be stupid because playing against your win condition is a modkill offense. So basically your only other argument against me is that I might screw up the endgame (chaoser proved that was nonsense). Now, as I have established that I have no reason not to cooperate with the town, the question is, what does the town get from me being in office? Simple.
First of all, there is no suspicion against me of being mafia so you won't mislynch me. I won't even bother addressing anyone who insinuates that. Please consult a coach if you really think that and take whatever they say as the word of god. Secondly, you get 2 extra vigi shots and a fully public DT check, which totally breaks the blue balance (I imagine we should use them as a second lynch type vote during the day and I would shoot the highest pick). Town gets those benefits and loses what? The pardoner office dies when I leave the game? Who cares, town doesn't need pardoner.
Look closely at what people are saying. The anti-Protact rhetoric is inflammatory, panicky, and illogical.
no man coagulation is the paragon of logic and cool
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kitaman27
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Upon election, how much time does the mayor have to decide his lynch?
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Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for .
He just strikes me as scum.
Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time
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On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that.
Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar
You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface
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On April 12 2011 13:45 GMarshal wrote:
Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for .
He just strikes me as scum.
Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time
Yeah I thought his village idiot claim was very strange, seemed like he's trying to play that "Oh I'm too crazy to be mafia!" sort of card.
Also I'm not happy about the people tunneling ON/m0nster, meaning mostly redFF although now there is a link with AO. I'll give his posts a look-see.
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On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar.
I've been trying to publicly state my thoughts to everyone and keep everyone informed on my positions. Marshal, among others, has failed to answer my previous post where I ask what seems more scummy about myself compared to my top two picks of OriginalName and M0nsterChef. I really want to know if I should change my vote because time is almost up.
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On April 12 2011 13:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote:
Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy.
This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum.
However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum)
I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact.
I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea. Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race. I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav.
You're missing the point entirely, and I did contribute with it. I said I'm not happy with two of the three candidates that we have. Since we have to pick two, I'm going to run because I don't want you OR Protact in office.
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On April 12 2011 13:47 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote:
Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy.
This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum.
However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum)
I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact.
I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea. Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race. I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav. You're missing the point entirely, and I did contribute with it. I said I'm not happy with two of the three candidates that we have. Since we have to pick two, I'm going to run because I don't want you OR Protact in office.
Because you think both of us are mafia. I also know you're not bad enough at this game to get a red read on me, so that just makes me more sure tbh : /
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On April 12 2011 13:45 GMarshal wrote:
Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for .
He just strikes me as scum.
Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time
Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time
Bullshit. Even when you didn't have time in Insane 2 you did it. You're playing different this game and I can feel it. You even did it in XXXVII in the pm circle with me and barundar. I don't know if it's you getting frustrated (which, even when you did, you didn't pull stuff like this) or something but you'
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re playing very different than usual
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chaoser there are 10 minutes left till mayor and I think he has to choose right away, there was no time for me to quote a dozen posts and give Dr.H a chance to look at them , so I posted my thoughts.
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Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor.
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Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
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kitaman27
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Either of you have any thoughts on Rean? His play so far isn't close to what it was in Insane 2 as town.
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On April 12 2011 13:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote:On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that. Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface
I didn't ask for your scum list, or your purple list. You very clearly said that you had "full" analyses on almost every player. I call BS. I want to see it. Not a list of your reads, Analysis.
You are talking about lynching a player when you haven't done analysis. No one who lynches without analysis should be mayor.
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On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin.
But kavdragon is the real problem here
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On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
Well the first thing to do would be to vote for someone else besides the most likely scum of the bunch. Ideally we'd get DH as mayor and me as pardoner. We just need 3 to switch off of gmarshal.
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On April 12 2011 13:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor.
I will do no such thing. Prot is, in my opinion, the best choice and I intend to stick by it. He's making great arguments and people are drowning him out with hyperbola and inflammatory rhetoric. I'm calling the bullshit out. He's explained the situation and it makes logical sense. People come in throwing out hate and a mud slinging campaign against him saying "HE'S BLACK HE'S BLACK BLACKKKKKK" to scare all the newbies into not voting him when his positive far outweigh his negatives (Already said this multiple times)
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On April 12 2011 13:52 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote:On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that. Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface I didn't ask for your scum list, or your purple list. You very clearly said that you had "full" analyses on almost every player. I call BS. I want to see it. Not a list of your reads, Analysis. You are talking about lynching a player when you haven't done analysis. No one who lynches without analysis should be mayor.
When did I imply I had anything written down. I've looked at most players entire post historys and placed them in a color coded list based on my conclusions. I did this in the early afternoon today.
Analysis is when you break information into smaller parts to gain a better understanding of it. That's what I did when I read peoples entire posting histories. You've come back with more scummy posts so I think I'll just end up lynching you anywho. And I've already made my analysis and case on you, so you can't really complain there.
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Well the first thing to do would be to vote for someone else besides the most likely scum of the bunch. Ideally we'd get DH as mayor and me as pardoner. We just need 3 to switch off of gmarshal.
I trust that shit. Get on it people, 6 more minutes.
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