EPTOn April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:
This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have.
Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working.
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He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX)
So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum?
I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me.
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The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum.
He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal.
Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy.
Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate?
RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum.
RedFF is RedFF
This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have.
Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working.
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On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX)
So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum?
I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me.
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On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum.
He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal.
Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy.
Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate?
RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum.
RedFF is RedFF
Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly.
So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did.
On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has.
On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor.
On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it.
On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change.
Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells.
In regards to posting that list again.
On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.
M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.
I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum.
On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you.
On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T
On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning.
About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum.
A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.
