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question for the vets: in games with assassins are assassin targets typically reds or greens? ie, do most assassins act like classic red, with lurking and trying to avoid attention, or do they act like classic greens with analysis and debate? | ||
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when you vote, vote in both threads. that way we can see who voted for what. not voting in this thread will be considered a scumtell, so be careful. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:36 chaoser wrote: lol, there's no reason to lie about this...it's game mechanic...no reason to trick you. If a vote thread comes up we'll obviously vote in it. But it's good to also vote in here so people can see your vote attached to your name. Makes it 1) easier to analyse your vote 2) easier to see where on the timeline of the day you placed your vote Also gives you an opportunity to explain your vote, which is ALWAYS helpful and you should be doing anyway if you're town. | ||
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On March 26 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote: MEDIC: You never really finished med school, but you do have a defibrillator and a first-aid kit! You may choose to visit one person every night. If you visit them and they are hit, you can use your defibrillator to revive them and your first-aid kit to patch them up. You can only block one hit, so stacked hits will still kill them. You may not protect yourself, as nobody has ever mastered the difficult art of defibrillating themselves once dead (hell, even James Bond had to get someone to do it for him). | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:54 chaoser wrote: Touche. Still, I think not having a medic would be pretty insane. | ||
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That said, I'm certainly not voting for Pan for mayor. Mayor is a late-game position... we need to keep those 3 votes in townie hands as long as physically possible. | ||
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Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign. However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful. Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: bait for what? we don't care about the assassins why would we waste the watchers night action trying to catch assassins that absolutely dont matter to us also assassins can't kill n1 Because it keeps the assassins from wanting to kill Protract. If they kill him we reveal who they are. Perhaps the watcher isn't actually watching protract, but if he is they are revealed. It makes killing him a giant risk and allows us to vote an actual townie into office. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:51 GMarshal wrote: Three major points, 1, why do we care if protract lives? You just said you think he could be a really ballsy GF, or what he claims, either way we dont care who takes him out. 2, why do we want to reveal assassins again? We should not care about them, and any resources we waste identifying other assassins are resources not spent protecting pro town players/catching scum. 3.) Assassins can't hit night 1 anyway so putting a watcher on him would be a waste unless scum is stupid and hits them. Basicaly, why would we waste resources on him. I've thought better of my intial reaction of offering him medics. If he isn't pro-town then we have no need to expend resources on him. there are only two reasonable positions here, you either think he is going to help the town and vote him in, or you think he won't and just choose to ignore him from here on out and count on assassins hitting him night 2. Any other plan is wasting town resources that we need to catch scum. 1. Because he's a good player. That was the cornerstone of his pitch. I want to keep him alive because hes a good player, and we hold the threat of reveal. When our watcher stops watching him, if we announce it, he is dead that night. He has every reason to share with us his analysis because if he's not doing enough all we have to do is post 'watcher, watch someone else tonight' and he's instantly dead. 2. We don't care if assassins are revealed, but they certainly do. Anyone who tries to hit pandain will be killed by the next night because their identiy will be posted in thread. we are appealing to their sense of self-preservation. 3. We put a medic on him night one (night 1 medics are a guessing game anyway) to keep him from getting hit by scum, and watcher watches other people (or watches protract so two of our blues know each other!). We're wasting resources on him because he's an excellent player and those are the terms he is demanding. I don't want him to die because hes good. We can use him, we just have to be careful and keep all of the power in our own hands. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do. Think about it: 1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Why I should be pardoner: ![[image loading]](http://cci-inspection.com/cci/images/stories/detective.jpg) I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes. *facepalm* Why would you ever reveal that you are blue day 1? Theres no way I'm voting for you. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo Sigh. I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much. | ||
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I'd like to be mayor, if you'll have me. I'm not going to give you a big long pitch because if you've been reading my posts its pretty clear that I'm one of the only levelheaded calm people in this game so far. I'd like to run with GM, if he's alright with that, but I'm willing to let town choose. Here's my plan: We don't put Protract in office. We use the threat of the watcher WIFOM to scare off assassins from attacking him, and in exchange he provides us with analysis. Since we are offering him much less than he asked (ie, he gets no solid protection except for the self-preservation instincts of the other assassins) I'm willing to let him keep his DT and his KP, on the condition that if his DT misses he reveal to us what he learned. As your mayor I can guarantee solid scumhunting skills, a fair degree of paranoia, solid analysis, and calm and levelheadedness, perhaps the most important quality in this crazy game so far. I will be extremely cautious with my votes; I will always be one of the last to vote, and if I sense band-wagoning going on I will do my best to draw attention to it. I have a good record in this forum, albeit a short one. I was awarded the deagle award for my early game, and I managed to name the entire scum team on page 216 of that same game. My ability to manipulate the mechanics managed to get RoL to ragequit the game entirely and completely destroyed the moral of the mafia. There were definite places in that game where I made mistakes, but I'm confident in my ability to lead the town and provide throughtful, measured feedback. Don't make a rash decision here guys. Even if you don't vote for me, make sure you vote for somebody you think will give town the best chance long term. ##Vote tnkted | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:12 urashimakt wrote: After reading through Pandain's flight of fancy, I just wanted to give my two cents. Assuming Pandain is either green or scum, which I'm going to because anything else is going to break my brain/heart/misc vital organs, I still believe protecting Protact with the Pardoner position only is a good idea. Arguing about assassin business is not. Just forget he's an assassin imo, which is why I don't endorse him for Mayor. That would make it impossible to forget he's black. I have no idea about who should be mayor. I want someone who's calm, collected, and proven a good analyst. Someone people can get behind and argue with without creating a mess for scum to hide behind. The more vets post about each mayoral candidate and their thoughts, the better reads we newbies can get on the whole thing. Sorry if any of my points are disagreeable, I am admittedly new at this. Sounds like you're looking for what I'm looking for in a mayor. You should vote for me! | ||
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I'm not yet confident in DrH's ability to curb his aggressive impulses. Newbies might not have learned this yet: You don't want someone in a leadership position that throws FoS's around like candy. That's DrH's style, AFAIK; he tries to provoke responses from people by accusing them, which provides valuable fodder for analysis by other players. However, you don't want somebody like that in a leadership position. Why? Because everyone isn't online at once. You might have people that are online at the same time as DrH who bandwagon with his votes, only to find out when they log in after the day flips that they voted for somebody DrH had provoked and who had proved themselves town. Mayor needs to be restrained. Besides, his scum reads so far haven't been very convincing to me. MiB has been playing like a typical newbie, and Kav opens almost every game like he has this one. | ||
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Town. WTF. Where are all these emotional outbursts coming from? Almost all of the FoS's that have come out so far this game have been ridiculous, targeted at new players for not posting enough, or not reading properly, or acting like typical newbie players. DrH, some throwing accusations at people like they're candy. Read up, gather some information, and present it in a big large wall of text like everyone else does. Theres a reason we do it that way. Now, for newbies, you might not know who you should be listening to in this game if you're green (which you probably are since its your first game). You want to be listening to people with calm, levelheaded opinions, who have put a fair amount of thought and effort into their posts. You can tell these people by the amount that they post and the sheer quality of their posts. Spammers are generally not that helpful for analytic purposes. Here's my list of people that should be your role models, town or not town. This is how good mafia players behave in thread: Kita GM Protract ON Lanaia Kav myself (  )and urashimakt is doing pretty good too, for a newbie. There are a few other players that are doing well, but those 7 are the ones you should pay attention to when they post. Keep in mind that you should be reading their stuff with an open mind; feel free to challenge them where you think they are acting scummy, but rather then throw out an FoS (which is a fairly serious, formal accusation in this forum and is currently being abused to great extent) simply point out their scummy play. If you want to post an FoS make sure you've done your research; big posts with lots of quotes and analysis are what we're after. Putting effort into your posts is what makes you town. My analysis on Tracestorm is incoming. | ||
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