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why don't you guys just vote for rean and we can check coag tonight, protactinium is dead to assassins on night 2, problem solved?
why not do that LSB and ilovejonn?
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On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote:Read thisSo, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan:Today we lynch Prot noTonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NOIf Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid.Why this is preferable that letting Prot liveContrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that.
because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know.
That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes.
Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter.
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On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote:Read thisSo, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan:Today we lynch Prot noTonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NOIf Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid.Why this is preferable that letting Prot liveContrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF
Fuck LSB, On was scum and he replaced him. M0nsterchef claimed tracker and said he tracked me. That's pretty likely, as he is new and naturally wanted to track the person attacking him instead of the person he thought was going to do the hits. So i don't actually suspect m0nsterChef, LSB IS ON, IF ON WASN'T REPLACED WE WOULD BE VERY LIKELY LYNCHING HIM. LYNCH LSB. COAG LYNCH IS DUMB, VIGI HIM TONIGHT, IF HE SURVIVES HE IS VET
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Actually LSB's post ninja'd mine while I just came back, and when you bring a better case to the table when there are wayyy more people scummier than me to be considered a lynch target for today (Rean, Serejai, etc.), I might consider defending myself. Actually I just did. Would you rather lynch a target 70% likely to be scum or 50%?
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also note what LSB/ilovejonn propose indirectly saves coagulation if they are all mafia.
because:
this plan can "fail" and mafia can simply stack a hit on somebody tonight. when that happens coagulation claims "i took a hit" and seeing as there are only 2-3 deaths, the town believes the claim.
The "vig check" can be manipulate to make coagulation look a veteran if he is mafia and his claim could just be a set-up. Why would he have to claim Veteran in the first place? How does that help his "case against prot" at all? He says he can "prove it", is this plan by LSB the "proof" they had planned on?
This puts in my mind two scenarios:
LSB/ilovejonn are mafia trying to waste a vig hit on BLUE coagulation and a lynch and protactinium
LSB/ilovejonn are mafia with coagulation and trying to save him with an indirect defense
The GMarshal check is the safest and most pro-town way to resolve this situation. I say we look for a good analysis elsewhere and have a new lynch.
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On April 15 2011 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote:On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote:Read thisSo, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan:Today we lynch Prot noTonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NOIf Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid.Why this is preferable that letting Prot liveContrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter.
Huh... I actually would have assumed he PM'd the host to ask specifically about how a DT works. His claim is as trust worthy as Prot's, and Prot even explained why he just said Coag is mafia, why go into specifics if he is not a Roleblocker and just a Goon? Look, I am not here to defend Prot or push GM. I still stand that I feel Rean and Serejai are scum.
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On April 15 2011 07:34 ilovejonn wrote:
Actually LSB's post ninja'd mine while I just came back, and when you bring a better case to the table when there are wayyy more people scummier than me to be considered a lynch target for today (Rean, Serejai, etc.), I might consider defending myself. Actually I just did. Would you rather lynch a target 70% likely to be scum or 50%?
i seriously doubt serejai is scum and after reconsidering aidnai's analysis of rean he does look sort of suspicious but more like just a bad newbie
LSB is not a bad newbie, this is deliberate misleading of the town and I'm calling it.
Lynch LSB, check coagulation. If LSB is red/Coag blue lynch ilovejonn. If LSB is red/coagulation red lynch Coag and hit ilovejonn imo.
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because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know.
Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT.
That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes.
Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter.
On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices.
At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!"
Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being.
wut lol
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Do you see me having my votes changed? All I was stating was possible situations that would turn out as a bad outcome for town. Have you looked at Serejai? He bandwagon'd the vote WITHOUT even talking about it, his last post was about DARK TEMPLAR. And here we go discussing about me and LSB coincedentally posting at the same time.
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EWODP:
That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes.
was quote of DrH, not mine
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On April 15 2011 07:36 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote:On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote:Read thisSo, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan:Today we lynch Prot noTonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NOIf Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid.Why this is preferable that letting Prot liveContrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Huh... I actually would have assumed he PM'd the host to ask specifically about how a DT works. His claim is as trust worthy as Prot's, and Prot even explained why he just said Coag is mafia, why go into specifics if he is not a Roleblocker and just a Goon? Look, I am not here to defend Prot or push GM. I still stand that I feel Rean and Serejai are scum.
You assumed the reason that would lead us to distrust GMarshal's claim because you don't like the idea of an invincible DT do you?
That sort of breadcrumbing strategy, this much manipulation, it's not how Gmarshal plays scum. This is one of those things it's very easy to say scum might do but they probably never would. He didn't come right out and say it, he breadcrumbed and asked about it for a bit before he revealed the information.
He didn't want to claim. Scums goal is to get the claim in right away. He didn't claim until I actually pressured him to.
It sounds like you have a preset agenda, you don't want to analyse the information to come to a conclusion, you want to manipulate the information to come to your conclusion.
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Wow Dr. H. Yeah, go ahead and lynch/hit me. Once I flip green you'll REALLY have to reconsider what you are looking at to find scum this game. AND STOP NINJA REPLYING TO MY POSTS, you are too fast.
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On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know.
Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Show nested quote +Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices.
At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!"
Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. wut lol
He isn't inactive. He's contributing but he isn't good at it. The game I played with him he said nothing and just asked other people to make decisions for him basically. Very different play overall.
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gah, i should stop posting while in class
On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices.
At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!"
Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being.
Is from DrH towards GM
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On April 15 2011 07:40 ilovejonn wrote:
Wow Dr. H. Yeah, go ahead and lynch/hit me. Once I flip green you'll REALLY have to reconsider what you are looking at to find scum this game. AND STOP NINJA REPLYING TO MY POSTS, you are too fast.
Why don't you defend yourself properly instead of this guilt trip/sob story/psych me out bs
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You said he was wishy washy. and now you're saying he's not wishy washy. Which is it?
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On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know.
Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Show nested quote +Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices.
At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!"
Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. wut lol
er you mean "didn't give back" right? i like that you appear minutes after i start pressuring lsb/ilovejonn to try to shut down my check plan
if gmarshal is lying about being the DT then this puts pressure on him to actually make something out of it. if he's mafia, this actually puts a ton of pressure on him. especially if a second DT does the same check.
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On April 15 2011 07:42 chaoser wrote:
You said he was wishy washy. and now you're saying he's not wishy washy. Which is it?
inactive !=wishy washy
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Im all for lynching LSB instead of me.
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