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GMarshal
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Instead I propose the town look at some of the other analysis out there, such as mine of AO and adinai's of Rean and begin to pressure the lurking inactives. Its time we stopped being distracted from scumhunting by people who do not care for anything but saving their own hides with a medic. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 14 2011 12:14 Protactinium wrote: Incorrect. Coagulation is a key player for the mafia. It's not that he's a good player, it's that mafia have already committed to saving him. Look back at the thread. Ever since my Coagulation accusation, mafia have been trying to subtly redirect the lynch. Notice how people are "not convinced" that Coagulation is mafia, try to suggest that we let me die tonight to "prove" that Coagulation is innocent, and try to suggest other targets. Yet notice the divergence in the voting thread. The voting is overwhelmingly in favor of lynching Coagulation, yet the debate in the thread diverges sharply. This is not an accident. Notice how nobody was doing any real analysis before I popped up and accused Coagulation. Mafia felt no need to fear when they thought I was as good as dead. But when I post a strong analysis, they reacted. They reacted not by refuting my points, but by flooding the thread with alternative accusations trying to derail the lynch. Why? They don't know who to push. They know the Coagulation analysis is a strong one, so they need to offer a target that town will readily buy. They're trying to test the waters and see what lynch works. Obviously, Coagulation is Mafia. If he were anything but, Mafia would be content to let him die and would have never felt the need to defend him in the first place. It is certain that mafia defended him originally, as shown by the floods of alternative target suggestions. Your so-called "analyst" Pardoner doesn't do anything but fling mud at me for the better part of a day. Yet when I return and start decimating his attempt to derail the lynch, he panics and decides to fake claim DT in a desperate attempt to make the town back out. Oh, and not to mention he does a bogus ultimatum in which he makes a shoddy attempt to discredit my DT claim. GMarshal's DT claim as Mafia makes total sense. He can't be rolechecked, and given the situation the mafia is in, he needs to do something to stop the Coagulation lynch. Furthermore, he knows who the mafia are, so it isn't that difficult to solidify his position later on in the game. Just look back at GMarshal's behavior. Its clearly scumlike. He was elected on a platform of being a "good analyzer", but he has done nothing but fling mud, spread doubt, and make a few half hearted attempts at analysis. GMarshal has something to hide, since he is obviously mafia. Mafia have every reason to save Coagulation now because they've already committed to the lynch. Too many people are coming out accusing people of being mafia. Mafia felt pressured, and were forced to make a big move. Mafia got overconfident and thought they could discredit me because I switched claims. Unfortunately for them it failed. ^__^ | ||
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GMarshal
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I think it only works that way if I'm the vote leader wiggles. Either way if you guys want to put a vote on me to feel safe, then I am perfectly ok with that, but I will not be using the pardon, ever, for any reason. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 14 2011 13:27 AirbladeOrange wrote: I haven't posted in a while so I will just continue to let everyone know where I stand. M0nsterChef was the top of my scum list but after him claiming blue I am now inclined to believe he is just a soon-to-be-dead blue. OringinalName was next on my list but he got replaced. So his replacement is now high on my list based only on ON's actions before he was replaced. GMarshal is on here too. He just seems like he is trying too hard. I'm not even feeling like I need to defend myself from his analysis because it just doesn't really mean anything. If others want me to clear anything up just let me know. I just don't want him as my first pick because at least he is active and could help pick up scum if he is town. I don't trust Flamewheel because he has lied before and is an experienced player capable of manipulating situations to suit his personal goals. I think I would be okay with a Coag kill, but I'm not sure he is my first choice based on ON's prior actions that I don't feel like digging up again. I feel like we're not going to forget all the heat on him so it's not like a now or never lynch. Nice of you to drop by! this is *not* a valid defense from my analysis and this is another of your noncommittal tunneling posts ##Vote: AirbladeOrange lets see how you respond to pressure, shall we? | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 14 2011 14:32 Eiii wrote: Man, that was a hell of a ride. There's no doubt in my mind, having read all that, that protrac's claim was just a desperation move after he failed to get elected mayor. His lastest posts especially make this super obvious-- appeals to authority, making up stuff about GM to try to lynch him instead (????), etc. His play just doesn't make sense for someone who's actually a DT, or red for that matter. Anyway, all that seems pretty well established now. That said, coag isn't necessarily a bad lynch for today. protrac's (apparently) known for his analysis skills, and his analysis of coag seems fairly spot-on. The DT claim was required to save his ass, he couldn't just post good analysis and get away with it, so he's going to try his hardest to find a scum and 'out' them. We should let protrac die tonight, but people need to keep in mind that almost no matter what it is in protrac's best interest to deliver a red to us today. For the time being, I'm pro-coag lynch. Oh, and something else I picked up on reading through the thread: did I miss a post inbetween or has GM completely reversed his stance on this to make DrH look scummy You missed my realization half way through the game that the Pardoner dosn't make the person with the second highest votecount be lynched, but rather ends the day in a no lynch. The difference is that one is good because it stops last minute bandwagons, the other is terrible for the town because it ends in no lynch, causing the same problems the following day where both targets are up for lynch. I explained this 60 pages back or so, I forget exactly where | ||
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GMarshal
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All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target. Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote: Yes Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum. Can I tell you how unresonable that is? "hmm, its day 1, I could post analysis on the candidates for mayor, weigh in on any of the many discussions or try to pressure inactives/lurkers... nah, I'll just troll, lol" Seriously, "I didn't want to be hanged" is the single worst justification I have heard for not contributing/trolling ever. "and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum." also a cute way to OMGUS anyone that considers you suspicious at all, since in that case they must be "scum using you as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum." | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 00:36 Rean wrote: The kind of town that doesn't want to be lynched maybe? If you were town would you let yourself get lynched because hey, you're a townie, you're supposed to be okay with being lynched? No, you are supposed to play pro-town so you *aren't* lynched. | ||
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On April 15 2011 00:40 Rean wrote: Just for clarification so i'm straight on this: are you two calling me scum or just a retarded townie? I'm not decided yet, your responses are making me lean scum more and more, seriously that has to be the worst justification I have heard, ever. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 00:45 Barundar wrote: I read your accusation of AO, and really you are just bashing all his posts. There is no discussion of them, you are simply looking for negative points. Looking for scum tells in every post is not behavior analysis. I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case. I'm not refusing to have an opinion on coag, I *really* don't know either way I looked at protacs analysis, if it were any player other than coag I would be pushing for his lynch, but you've been in games with him before, this is how coag plays! He is chaotic and random and enjoys flaming, what read do you expect me to have? Should I be suspicious because he claimed blue day 2? He does that more often than not, hell he claimed *medic* in XXXVII I forget who the quote is from, but coag flips a coin to determine what day of the week it is, so yeah, I have no idea, I want a vigi to shoot him so we can just be done with discussing this, seriously to me this is like analyzing Kenpachi, or serj its all crap that hurts the eyes to read. (and yes I went back and read over his posts, my conclusion is that his is drunk) | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 00:46 Serejai wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Rean care to explain yourself Serejai? or do you want to talk about building towns? | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 01:06 Barundar wrote: @GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue? @Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know. Well what am I going to say about your criticism of my arguments? You brought up no real points other than its "bashing" not much I can reply to that, now is there? I could argue the point, but anyone who reads the analysis can come to their own conclusions, there's no need for me to get upset over it ^_^ I dont follow what you are implying about coag's meta, as far as I know every game I have played with coag he has played exactly the same. Either way, its irrelevant, we are either going to hang him today or have him shot tonight, that will clear up the situation wonderfully. In regards to protacs arguments, which seems to be what really concerns you; find that much of what protac says seems to make sense to me, his arguments are persuasive, I even agree with some if his points, and then I remember it coagulation I'm talking about, the guy who ten minutes into the day in Guts and Glory suicided into our medic, the guy who claimed medic to LSB in XXXVII based only on his gut. So yes, I do find the liars arguments persuasive, fw is a great poster and I find his analysis to be excellent, if he had tried this on almost any other player I would probably be waving a pitchfork and going for the lynch of his chosen target. Is that enough of an opinion for you? Anyway I'm done discussing coag, if you guys want to lynch him then do so, otherwise a vigi will shoot him tonight (assuming we have any around). I'm off to class, I'll be back later to scumhunt. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. but if coag were the gf then how would protac know? Are we ignoring the blatant contradctions now? He is a proven liar, he either think coag is black or is praying he guessed right and is a goon to "prove" his claim. But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you. Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^ ##Unvote ##Vote: Coagulation If coag flips anything other than "mafia goon" protac, you are toast, so pray to whichever gods you worship. Why people are still listening to a proven liar who is 100% an assassin, I will never understand. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2? I think that would give the mafia extra incentive to hit LSB if he is town, and otherwise makes it so that medics have to stack on him just in case. I'd rather remain autonomous, but if the town insists that that that is what they want, then I am happy to comply. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Then comply. How does that give mafia extra incentive to hit LSB? If he's town they want to hit him anyway cause he's experienced. You are an invincible DT don't weasel your way out of this. I'll do it ^_^ | ||
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GMarshal
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At this point he is trying to execute the classic defense of "spew bullshit, pray a newbie medic buys it and protects me!" | ||
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On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote: Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch. Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red. All I can say is wow You argue with them, I'm tired of fighting against a know liar and the town just flatly ignoring me, and/or siding with the assassin. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 10:01 Protactinium wrote: You know its pro-town to ignore the arguments of mafia peoples, right? Good job town, keep at it. Yes mr. confirmed assassin. Who has been caught in multiple lies. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 10:03 LSB wrote: Town is going to lose this. It's like Mafia XXXV. The town is a mob and is only as smart as the leader. Although people may think individually they are smart and analyze much, most people play a game of follow the leader. XXXVIII worked nicely since of the lucky Day 1 lynch got quiet a few of the vets to become the leader However this game is kindof doomed. Anyone competent is either killed (kavdragon) or ignored. Tonight the mafia will snipe a few more vets. In addition, the leaders that have emerged Flamewheel and DocH are not suited for their roles. Flamewheel because his role PM is not green or blue, DocH because he screws over any town he is in. If I were you Gmarshal, I would count on my bodyguards. Once the town calms down, use your immunity to push for a lynch on the clear mafia. I would, but I am "obviously mafia" for claiming to oppose an assassin, and in generally for trying to stop the mob from being stupid. Oh, and for making every effort to get myself elected as a DT, that too is "anti town". I dont know what else to do for this people. | ||
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GMarshal
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On April 15 2011 10:17 kevconsim wrote: Ya know i started by doing that but i dont trust you. you dont trust the assassin and confirmed liar? SHAME ON YOU! You must be scum! horrible, horrible scum! Trust the liar, NOW! or he might tell the town he DTed you and make you out to be mafia! | ||
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