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Take a look at Flamewheel's analysis http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=88#1752
He's calling Coagulation scummy because all coagulation has been doing is
But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia.
It completely ignores Coag's town play. You guys have played with coag before. All he does is spam, and yell at people. I have never seen Coag do analysis.
In addition, Flamewheel is saying Coagulation is red for two things
1) Going against his campaign
2) Trying to not get kavdragon lynched
+ Show Spoiler +Btw why was kavdragon lynched? I just seems stupid that you guys would lynch him
These aren't mafia traits. These are completely town traits. I don't see why it benefits the town to have an SK as a mayor. And I don't see why you guys should have lynched Kavdragon.
So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet?
If you don't think he is blue, lynch him.
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On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote:
LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him. Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red.
Nice, 3333 posts ^^
(the above post is not commentary on the game in any way)
And goddammit, you just ninja'd me and changed your postcount anyway. Nevermind, carry on.
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On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today.
lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis?
Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive
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On April 14 2011 05:03 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote:On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote:
LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him. Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. Nice, 3333 posts ^^
(the above post is not commentary on the game in any way)
And goddammit, you just ninja'd me and changed your postcount anyway. Nevermind, carry on.
Sooner or later I'll lose my DT and I'll break down and cry 
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I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him.
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This picture was only to get you to read this post
Why you should lynch Flamewheel.
Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons.
1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2
2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead.
This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch him
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Also, I endorse the idea of voting Protact, have a VIGI shoot Coag at night. Assuming there's a vigi of course. Or actually voting anyone that is detrimental to town really. There are quite a few this game.
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On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive
That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies.
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On April 14 2011 05:08 ilovejonn wrote:
I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him.
Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions.
It's not happening.
Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways?
From what I've read Coagulation is red because
1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black
2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched
3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful
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On April 14 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies.
Can you link me an analysis of GMarshal/DocH? Because I'd rather not lynch a mayor this early in the game.
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On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive
On April 14 2011 05:03 LSB wrote:
So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet?
If you don't think he is blue, lynch him.
If Flamewheel (Protact) is an assassin, then we do not need to do anything - the assassins will kill him. If Protact is blue or green, we do not want to lynch him. Therefore, the only time we should lynch Protact is if he is mafia.
Do NOT lynch Protact unless you believe he is mafia. Just because he isn't blue, that doesn't justify a lynch. Ideally we do not lynch any of the assassins, we leave them to murder each other and the lynches are all used on the mafia.
LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them.
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Oh right, he will die if we don't medic protect him. That means we just need to shoot Coag at night, and for the mean time find someone worthy of a lynch that is not Coag/Protact.
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On April 14 2011 05:12 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote:On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies. Can you link me an analysis of GMarshal/DocH? Because I'd rather not lynch a mayor this early in the game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8775164
That's GMarshalls analysis of DocH.
I'll try to find more for you but I'm at work right now. Probably after I get home tonight.
I always explain my actions. Maybe not well and maybe after the fact. But I do.
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On April 14 2011 05:20 ilovejonn wrote:
Oh right, he will die if we don't medic protect him. That means we just need to shoot Coag at night, and for the mean time find someone worthy of a lynch that is not Coag/Protact.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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I'm fairly convinced from reading everyone's arguments that coag is red, so I'm sticking with lynching him so we do not waste a vigi hit. I'm convinced of m0nsterchefs scumminess too, but I'd rather the lynch went on a mafia player who's being really active - if the mafia mouthpiece dies, others will have to start speaking up to derail our analysis, and it'll give us some good targets to pressure if a lurker starts speaking up after someone who's been active flips red.
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Gotta agree with LSB here, mislynching our elected officials straight away is a great way to blow up the town. Both are active, we can deal with them later.
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On April 14 2011 05:27 Robellicose wrote:
I'm fairly convinced from reading everyone's arguments that coag is red, so I'm sticking with lynching him so we do not waste a vigi hit. I'm convinced of m0nsterchefs scumminess too, but I'd rather the lynch went on a mafia player who's being really active - if the mafia mouthpiece dies, others will have to start speaking up to derail our analysis, and it'll give us some good targets to pressure if a lurker starts speaking up after someone who's been active flips red.
If you think coag is red, how is shooting him "wasting" a vigi hit?
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On April 14 2011 05:27 Robellicose wrote:
I'm fairly convinced from reading everyone's arguments that coag is red, so I'm sticking with lynching him so we do not waste a vigi hit. I'm convinced of m0nsterchefs scumminess too, but I'd rather the lynch went on a mafia player who's being really active - if the mafia mouthpiece dies, others will have to start speaking up to derail our analysis, and it'll give us some good targets to pressure if a lurker starts speaking up after someone who's been active flips red.
Coag may be red. Entirely within the realm of possibility. What is entirely outside the realm of possibility is the scum team making coag some sort of mouthpiece.
Actually that would be hilarious.
FUCK YOU MORONS!!!!!! I"M SPEAKING FOR THE GODDAMN SCUM TEAM!!!!!!
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Lynching Flamewheel is a bad idea. He is guaranteed dead on night 2 if this Coag lynch is a bust anyway.
If he is black, it's a big waste of a lynch. I could consider not lynching Coagulation, but killing flamewheel is a waste of a lynch. Big time.
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kitaman27
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Why Protactinium should be ignored
Suppose you are the assassin. You claim and run for office because you thought it would be "fun". Your candidacy fails and you will be shot night two. What options do you have:
a) Convince the other assassins you are not an assassin
b) Obtain medic protection
c) Hope you don't get hit.
Claiming dt was his only option for survival. People are yelling that this move doesn't make sense as black. Of course it does. If coag does happen to flip red, then you've got yourself medic protection. If not, then you are no worse off then you were before. It's not like town would consider lynching an assassin.
Now suppose you are the dt. What option seems most logical:
a) Run as mayor on the basis that you are a strong player an analyzer. Get two bodyguards and claim as dt.
b) Claim assassin, making yourself the target of all other assassins.
If he were the dt, he would not want to make himself the center of attention day one. His back-up plan was to role claim day 2. What kind of blue does that?
On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:
Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red?
Exactly. Whether your are a dt or an assassin, you are going to tell town you found a red either way.
On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:
There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2.
This pretty much sums it up. Protact lost his gamble. He didn't get elected and now he is forced to fake claim if he wants to survive. Let the assassins take care of him tonight.
On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:
Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black.
This isn't how a dt talks. He claims to have just checked coag. If that's true its not "Highly unlikely that coag is black", its impossible. Furthermore, he is been taking an extremely aggressive approach. Calling me dumb, telling coag he is an awful player. There is no need for that as a blue.
I've been looking at a couple of players, if I have time I might write up an analysis later today.
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