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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:00 kevconsim wrote: i just wanted to see if he was paying attention i know that. THanks for ruining it This thread already has enough trolls, don't add to it. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead. Second, CubEdIn is indeed back, replacing Latrommi. What is up with all these people dropping I don't even. LOL. Can I come in a replace someone too? | ||
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CubEdIn
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2011 02:49 CubEdIn wrote: Oh, I did, but you're completely dismissing the fact that he might ACTUALLY be a DT. Sure, I don't really buy it 100% either, but it's a possibility, and if we don't lynch coag then he won't have night protection (because your plan is ... don't protect either), which means that he'll die to an assassin (heck, they do have one free shot), why not take it? Sure, it makes sense that he's neither, but that's a bit off imo. So here's what I think: 1. We lynch Coag. 2. If he flips red, we start protecting the Assassin/DT 3. If he's DT, he'll confirm/fos someone each day. If he's not, he'll have to constantly use R1CH ability to stay alive, in which case.. he'll confirm/fos someone each day. The only other scenario would be that he's either town (in which case what he's doing is awfully, awfully dumb), or scum (in which case we trade coag for a scum, sorry coag, xoxo). Which is ok at this point in the game. Heck, he can even be Vigi-shot during the night if coag doesn't flip red. I don't see anyone who could prove to be a better lynch. Remember, we don't lynch for the flip, we lynch for information. The sooner we have the information, the better. Sure theres a .001% possibility fw is a dt, but lynching coag proves nothing at all! even if coag flipped red, we still would have no idea whether fw got lucky/great analysis or if he is an actual DT, he has *lied* copiously, *nothing* he says can be believed. Also the assassin can only use the DT ability once, and only starting day 2. Killing coag gives us no information, and I as a policy don't lynch for information, I lynch scum! Is this not evident? | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
GMarshal's Analysis of Dr.H This originally started as a PbP but man, Dr.H posts in a volume to rival mine On April 09 2011 17:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol lynch kavdragon is the first non-troll post Dr.H makes besides stating that he does not talk at night. Interesting to see how he is tunneling from the start On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o???? i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted Kav was trying to help the newibes in the early game and as we had aready stated there was not much to discuss but generalities. Also notable that Dr.H calls on his experience as a host to try impress upon us how right he is. that same sentence written as "you did this same thing in pokemafia" would have made the same point, without pointing out how much of a "vet" you are On April 10 2011 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away more tunneling, oh joy, lets discard any value in night 0 discussion explaining to people how to play and put it down to trying to look pro-town On April 10 2011 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: idk honestly if im mafia im thinking "lets not run and then try to keep all the pressure on the people who ran for mayor for a few days while we wreak havoc." even if a few lynches don't go that way, it's pretty easy to keep attention on the mayoral/pardoner candidates since they usually post a lot in the beginning and townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once so imo the mayor powers are not nearly as strong as the power to manipulate the towns focus by any means necessary that's just my take on it Here, I'll translate, "I dont want any suspicion cast on me if I run" and "No way scum would run, lol" right... the mafia team is just going to ignore the possibility of getting 3 more votes or the pardon in order to "keep attention on the mayor, pardoner" sure thing. then he has a series of posts where he basically uses one liners to criticizes every word out of kavs mouth. Then comes the assassin claim. Dr.H seems to be pretty happy to support him, as it "keeps the role out of mafia hands" I wont go into the discussion of the assassin again, but it *is* anti town to hand out the role to a third party out of fear On April 10 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: more than likely: 2 medics 2 dts 1 vig 2 vets 2 nosy neighbors contributing without contributing, its easy to speculate on balance, watch "I bet there are 3 vigs, 3 vets, no medics and a dt" is this conformable? Does this help the town? No. On April 10 2011 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better do I even have to bother rebutting why allowing people to hide their voteswitches is bad? Oh wait this is the guy that benefited from people voting for him at the very last second with no in thread justification. never mind. and then he tunnels on Kav , I'm noticing a trend, 1 get tunnel kav, 2 get the assassin elected 3 tunnel kav somemore On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me I thought he was only going to run if he was mafia? Well lets deconstruction his campaign as well, I mean it can't be as bad as mine, right? Let me sum it up "I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want" well then thank god he didn't land pardoner. Well I'm sure glad that a player who says he isn't going to be held accountable for his actions landed the mayor. he then spends 2 pages arguing the meaning of FoS. His response to being told he was overly agressive over a small issue? "build a bridge and get over it" I applaud his building of town spirit. Wonderful work, *that* is how you encourage new players On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). so being held accountable for your votes if you have three of them is being "manipulatable" right? Why did people vote for someone who said that he wasn't going to take responsibility for his actions with a powerful role again? I dont think I need to comment on this, do I? then again he did say "townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once" so I suppose he is cleared these replies without answering the substance of an accusation always worry me, since its easy to say "lol" and not so easy to either justify your behavior or own up to your mistakes. however his later attitude towards the assassin and his reaction to pandians claims agree with mine, which is positive. On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong His debating skills know no bounds. Seriously when a serious argument is presented this is *not* the appropriate reply. On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? I'm going to assume this was a joke post, because otherwise I have to question Dr.H's sanity, and that would be bad. On April 11 2011 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: gmarshal is wishy washy and you supported protact i'm obviously the best choice also my behavior is clearly the most pro-town anyone can see this my behavior is obviously pro town, "I will do whatever the fuck I want if I get the pardon", my behavior is obviously pro town, I think theres a disconnect here. On April 11 2011 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the big tl;dr post where I explain all my thoughts I think I've done all the poking and prodding I can. We're in a sticky situation and we need to make the best of it. So I'll lay out my platform simply. -Protactinium should NOT be mayor. The mayor role is designed to be very helpful to either town/mafia depending on who gets it. Our goal is not to simply have non-scum as mayor, our goal is to have town as mayor. Why? More votes. Protactinium has no interest in who is lynched, he will simply vote the way the "town" wants him to so that he is not lynched himself. This is bad. Huh? Shouldn't the mayor use his votes the way the town wants? No, because the town is quite often wrong. Mafia will manipulate/split bandwagons and then try to influence the mayor to pad the lynch they want. The mayor should always vote for the person HE thinks is scum. The mayor should act autonomously and vote based on his own thoughts and instincts. An autonomous third party mayor is a terrible idea, an autonomous town-aligned mayor is not. -I'm okay with Protactinium being Pardoner. This will give him some protection and allow us to threaten him into using his DT check/kill power where we want it. The pardoner power is pretty insignificant compared to the mayoral power and I suppose we could make some use of him. As long as our focus is using proactinium to find scum NOT using him to find other assassins. -Pandain is stupid and bad. You should never roleclaim DT day 1 and he is essentially using his role to hold us hostage into voting for him. This makes perfect sense if he is godfather and it makes even more sense if he is on a scumteam with Protactinium. Unfortunately, DT is probably the most valuable town role and I really hate the idea of just letting him die. Pandain is a terrible scumhunter and is bad at almost every aspect of the game and the idea of him in a leadership position makes my skin crawl. I would be okay if he was pardoner and no one took him seriously/listened to him by accident. -This idea that you can't scumhunt on day 1 is retarded. That's my favorite bad point to make when I'm mafia. yeah the game is designed on the assumption that town mislynches on the first day. But we should all absolutely be focused on figuring out who is scum, who isn't. What is each persons motivation. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY POSTING THIS. that's the question you should ask! Not: -what contradictions do they make (townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia) i'm gonna repeat that 100 times for emphasis: townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium Gmarshal/Pandain Scenarios I prefer: Myself/Pandain Myself/Coagulation Myself/Gmarshal Gmarshal/Myself Gmarshal/Pandain Pandain might be the DT. Give him a worthless role like pardoner and watch him closely. I don't want to throw the DT away or waste medics on someone like him. Who I feel comfortable lynching and why: Kavdragon - His posts after role PMs were sent were designed to do two things. To seem as pro-town and helpful as possible and to contribute nothing at all. Lots of obvious "advice" and redundant bullshit. When called out he becomes defensive and tries to turn the tables on me. Not good. However kavdragon is a useful player if town, this is a risky lynch choice but I have a strong scum read on him. mib - Same deal. Tries to "contribute" but says nothing at all. Regurgitates talking points from previously in the thread and has a bad excuse to explain why that is. He's a new player and mostly inactive so lynching him should be no big loss if he's town anyway. So that's my thoughts. My plan is to have myself as mayor, I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. If bodyguards start dying, lynch pandain. He's an idiot so it won't be long before he fucks up if he faked his roleclaim, so I feel pretty safe about that. This one is juicy, lets dismantle it, point one about the assassin had already been made, time and time again, but its good he includes it here, I agree with him. His second post about electing an assassin to an anti-town role is downright bad if he didn't want the mayor to be in the hands of the assassin and wanted to avoid the assassin game entirly, then why is he proposing the assassin as a pardoner. I will not be held accountable for my votes is a little less pro-town then point one, I understand the "I'll vote for who I feel is scum" thats the duty of every townie mayor or not, what worries me is that he is setting out the groundwork for covering for a pardon with "I said I would be autonomous so I autonomously pardoned the guy you were convinced was scum, because I can" The fact that he would be ok with pandian in a protected position after his stupid claim and after having sustained that Pandian sucks makes me wtf. Dr.H seems to not want people to look for contradictions, which is interesting, I agree that townies often change their mind, thats the issue with imperfect information, but blatant contradictions on core issues are a sure sign of scum. "I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. " we go from pandian is probably lying and should be ignored to pandian is ok as pardoner, also I'm *still* going to ignore anything the town says. Also note how thought he refers to how "worthless" the pardoner role is, when in reality it is a strongly anti town role On April 11 2011 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if he's town then i admit i was wrong and then we move on? it's very rare that anyone is correct in 100% of their scumreads and I'm exaggerating my sureness to provoke reactions. I'm about 70% on kav in favor of him being mafia, but of course there is a chance he's town. nothing is really sure in mafia. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if I was wrong. I feel better about mib, i'd rather lynch him and get protact in as pardoner and have him use his check on kav. already setting up the groundwork for "oops", and look, it *was* "oops" On April 11 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i don't think anyone will have the balls to lynch you day 1, even i don't, i'll wait until day 2 to make my case on you unless your tune changes right... ok... again with this "see I wasn't 100% sure, but I was *interdependent*" On April 11 2011 14:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this is almost artistically scummy throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is i'll still be lynching originalname though well, interesting thing with the ON lynch, huh? Also nice little accusation of tnkted, what did he flip again? Have you made a right call yet? On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it? My Thoughts OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. Oh goodie, another long post! First of all he calls out my post as being good, which I have no comment on other than when Kav pointed out something as a good point Dr.H's reply was "no one cares" I do agree with his question of "what is a plataform of substance?" I thought I had one, but apparently posting why you would make a good mayor is anti-town. Oh look, he is already setting himself up to be able to lynch kav, nice to know he thought things out ahead of time. At least the town should have been able to figure out what was going to happen Also his "thoughts" boil down to what I said earlier, lynching ON proves absolutely nothing, one way or another. On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities. I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious? See, the part about kita makes sense, that was the reactions I was fishing for, both from kita and form the players around him. I find that Dr.H's reasoning for not using a blue list for argument on the basis that the mafia can mislead you to be wrong. The point of a blue list is to open discussion on the topic and increase the power of the blues, if the medic part of the list contains 6 people then maifa will likely try to hit outside of it, increasing the effectiveness of the medics (since the list effectively protected 6 people). This proved slightly flawed as the mafia shot into my list last night. On April 12 2011 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure. theres tunneling and theres tunneling, sustained aggression is not necessarily bad, irrationally tunneling is. On April 12 2011 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to lynch Kavdragon with no attached explanation of why he goes from a ON lynch to a Kav lynch... interesting On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. you know the generic advice he accused kav of posting. Yeah, this is an example of it. On April 12 2011 13:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because he isn't mafia probably. Mafia has no real incentive, I don't think they want to see him as pardoner. His check could be really troublesome. I find it amusing that people think I'm scum simply because I pulled ahead after rationalizing my posting and making good points. So if the later switches from GMarshal to me scummy, aren't late switches from me to GMarshal scummy? Oh it isn't scummy. It's all WIFOM. People change their minds, peoples idea of best candidate will change. Let's focus scumhunting on how we actually catch scum: 1. Posting behavior 2. lynching scum -> hindsight analysis Please and thank you. when people are switching votes off of GM because of a "mafia bandwagon" in the first 24 hours of day 1 thats ok, no need to comment. When people suddenly start electing the assassin at the last minute thats not suspicious at all. And then he lynches Kav, after kav requests to be lynched... On April 12 2011 14:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the reason i quit tl mafia is because of the two times me vs youngminii ended up in two townie deaths if that happens again i'll probably ragequit forever. i hate it when shit like this happens but I mean I guess it's the likely outcome. One of the bigger reasons I don't like the mayor position is it gives the mafia someone to blame for what is the most likely outcome anyway - lynching a townie on the first day. All we can do now is reevaluate whatever information we have. Playing the blame game isn't getting us anywhere. If your only reason for thinking I'm scum is I picked a non-mafia out of 40 people to lynch, then maybe you should keep it to yourself. Oh, no dont berate me for mis-lynching, I might just ragequit! forever! Goes hand in hand with "dont hold me accountable" and it seems to work too. On April 12 2011 14:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: have any other reasons other than i picked a wrong lynch on day 1 like happens in 99% of games anyway? might as well get that out of the way before people make the mistake of paying attention to you any fingers of suspicion on me must be silenced! Although I agree ON failed to provide reasons On April 12 2011 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think. Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game. "I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me." = I reserve the right to OMGUS anyone who questions my poor decisions. TL:DR: Dr.H got himself elected on a funky vote switch, killed a town analyst and continues to support an assassin. He is supporting a know liar rather than doing what is reasonable and ran for mayor with the worst possible role to get in office, which is *also* unprovable until he dies. Yeah, Dr.H is scum | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Killing coag gives us no information, and I as a policy don't lynch for information, I lynch scum! If lynching coag gives no information, how does that contradict with your policy stance of not lynching for information? Sure theres a .001% possibility fw is a dt, but lynching coag proves nothing at all! even if coag flipped red, we still would have no idea whether fw got lucky/great analysis or if he is an actual DT, he has *lied* copiously, *nothing* he says can be believed. More like 70% DT in my books based on what I'm reading in thread but besides that, are you saying that coag flipping red and us lynching him is NOT a good thing? You know, I've done a decent amount of analyzing people's posts and I remember you were all for that in Insane 2 and not getting caught up in plans and whatnot. Why don't we let town decide and you can go analyze someone. I really want to see some. | ||
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chaoser
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:15 chaoser wrote: If lynching coag gives no information, how does that contradict with your policy stance of not lynching for information? More like 70% DT in my books based on what I'm reading in thread but besides that, are you saying that coag flipping red and us lynching him is NOT a good thing? You know, I've done a decent amount of analyzing people's posts and I remember you were all for that in Insane 2 and not getting caught up in plans and whatnot. Why don't we let town decide and you can go analyze someone. I really want to see some. I did, see above. Also you are arguing that if we lynch coag it gives us information I am disagreeing on the lynch on the basis of two things. 1.) No, it does not and 2.) I dont do the "lynching for information" thing. | ||
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tnkted
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote: I would want to sub in as well but unfortunately I already know who the scum is, so that would be kind of unfair. Not telling though! Can ghosts leave breadcrumbs? | ||
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Barundar
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GMarshal
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He can't because it's a trick question. People who flip always flip as random town roles. Everyone is on their own mafia team. Also, the people who haven't posted since the day post aren't "lurking" they are actually dead. BB just can't actually tell you guys without telling you that there's more KP than players in the game. Edit: Join me on the deadperson's IRC! (You too tnkted!) | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:21 Barundar wrote: If you want to make an analysis cant you just [spoiler ] the quotes please? So freaking hard to read :/ sorry, would you like me to repost it for you? here you go, its in the spoiler! ^_^ + Show Spoiler + Well, since I don't want to waste our lynch on coag I thought I would provide you something juicy to work with. GMarshals Analysis of Dr.H This originally started as a PbP but man, Dr.H posts in a volume to rival mine + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2011 17:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol lynch kavdragon is the first non-troll post Dr.H makes besides stating that he does not talk at night. Interesting to see how he is tunneling from the start + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o???? i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted Kav was trying to help the newibes in the early game and as we had aready stated there was not much to discuss but generalities. Also notable that Dr.H calls on his experience as a host to try impress upon us how right he is. that same sentence written as "you did this same thing in pokemafia" would have made the same point, without pointing out how much of a "vet" you are + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away more tunneling, oh joy, lets discard any value in night 0 discussion explaining to people how to play and put it down to trying to look pro-town + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: idk honestly if im mafia im thinking "lets not run and then try to keep all the pressure on the people who ran for mayor for a few days while we wreak havoc." even if a few lynches don't go that way, it's pretty easy to keep attention on the mayoral/pardoner candidates since they usually post a lot in the beginning and townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once so imo the mayor powers are not nearly as strong as the power to manipulate the towns focus by any means necessary that's just my take on it Here, I'll translate, "I dont want any suspicion cast on me if I run" and "No way scum would run, lol" right... the mafia team is just going to ignore the possibility of getting 3 more votes or the pardon in order to "keep attention on the mayor, pardoner" sure thing. then he has a series of posts where he basically uses one liners to criticizes every word out of kavs mouth. Then comes the assassin claim. Dr.H seems to be pretty happy to support him, as it "keeps the role out of mafia hands" I wont go into the discussion of the assassin again, but it *is* anti town to hand out the role to a third party out of fear + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: more than likely: 2 medics 2 dts 1 vig 2 vets 2 nosy neighbors contributing without contributing, its easy to speculate on balance, watch "I bet there are 3 vigs, 3 vets, no medics and a dt" is this conformable? Does this help the town? No. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better do I even have to bother rebutting why allowing people to hide their voteswitches is bad? Oh wait this is the guy that benefited from people voting for him at the very last second with no in thread justification. never mind. and then he tunnels on Kav , I'm noticing a trend, 1 get tunnel kav, 2 get the assassin elected 3 tunnel kav somemore On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me I thought he was only going to run if he was mafia? Well lets deconstruction his campaign as well, I mean it can't be as bad as mine, right? Let me sum it up "I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want" well then thank god he didn't land pardoner. Well I'm sure glad that a player who says he isn't going to be held accountable for his actions landed the mayor. he then spends 2 pages arguing the meaning of FoS. His response to being told he was overly agressive over a small issue? "build a bridge and get over it" I applaud his building of town spirit. Wonderful work, *that* is how you encourage new players + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). so being held accountable for your votes if you have three of them is being "manipulatable" right? Why did people vote for someone who said that he wasn't going to take responsibility for his actions with a powerful role again? + Show Spoiler + I dont think I need to comment on this, do I? then again he did say "townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once" so I suppose he is cleared + Show Spoiler + these replies without answering the substance of an accusation always worry me, since its easy to say "lol" and not so easy to either justify your behavior or own up to your mistakes. however his later attitude towards the assassin and his reaction to pandians claims agree with mine, which is positive. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong His debating skills know no bounds. Seriously when a serious argument is presented this is *not* the appropriate reply. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? I'm going to assume this was a joke post, because otherwise I have to question Dr.H's sanity, and that would be bad. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: gmarshal is wishy washy and you supported protact i'm obviously the best choice also my behavior is clearly the most pro-town anyone can see this my behavior is obviously pro town, "I will do whatever the fuck I want if I get the pardon", my behavior is obviously pro town, I think theres a disconnect here. On April 11 2011 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the big tl;dr post where I explain all my thoughts I think I've done all the poking and prodding I can. We're in a sticky situation and we need to make the best of it. So I'll lay out my platform simply. -Protactinium should NOT be mayor. The mayor role is designed to be very helpful to either town/mafia depending on who gets it. Our goal is not to simply have non-scum as mayor, our goal is to have town as mayor. Why? More votes. Protactinium has no interest in who is lynched, he will simply vote the way the "town" wants him to so that he is not lynched himself. This is bad. Huh? Shouldn't the mayor use his votes the way the town wants? No, because the town is quite often wrong. Mafia will manipulate/split bandwagons and then try to influence the mayor to pad the lynch they want. The mayor should always vote for the person HE thinks is scum. The mayor should act autonomously and vote based on his own thoughts and instincts. An autonomous third party mayor is a terrible idea, an autonomous town-aligned mayor is not. -I'm okay with Protactinium being Pardoner. This will give him some protection and allow us to threaten him into using his DT check/kill power where we want it. The pardoner power is pretty insignificant compared to the mayoral power and I suppose we could make some use of him. As long as our focus is using proactinium to find scum NOT using him to find other assassins. -Pandain is stupid and bad. You should never roleclaim DT day 1 and he is essentially using his role to hold us hostage into voting for him. This makes perfect sense if he is godfather and it makes even more sense if he is on a scumteam with Protactinium. Unfortunately, DT is probably the most valuable town role and I really hate the idea of just letting him die. Pandain is a terrible scumhunter and is bad at almost every aspect of the game and the idea of him in a leadership position makes my skin crawl. I would be okay if he was pardoner and no one took him seriously/listened to him by accident. -This idea that you can't scumhunt on day 1 is retarded. That's my favorite bad point to make when I'm mafia. yeah the game is designed on the assumption that town mislynches on the first day. But we should all absolutely be focused on figuring out who is scum, who isn't. What is each persons motivation. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY POSTING THIS. that's the question you should ask! Not: -what contradictions do they make (townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia) i'm gonna repeat that 100 times for emphasis: townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium Gmarshal/Pandain Scenarios I prefer: Myself/Pandain Myself/Coagulation Myself/Gmarshal Gmarshal/Myself Gmarshal/Pandain Pandain might be the DT. Give him a worthless role like pardoner and watch him closely. I don't want to throw the DT away or waste medics on someone like him. Who I feel comfortable lynching and why: Kavdragon - His posts after role PMs were sent were designed to do two things. To seem as pro-town and helpful as possible and to contribute nothing at all. Lots of obvious "advice" and redundant bullshit. When called out he becomes defensive and tries to turn the tables on me. Not good. However kavdragon is a useful player if town, this is a risky lynch choice but I have a strong scum read on him. mib - Same deal. Tries to "contribute" but says nothing at all. Regurgitates talking points from previously in the thread and has a bad excuse to explain why that is. He's a new player and mostly inactive so lynching him should be no big loss if he's town anyway. So that's my thoughts. My plan is to have myself as mayor, I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. If bodyguards start dying, lynch pandain. He's an idiot so it won't be long before he fucks up if he faked his roleclaim, so I feel pretty safe about that. This one is juicy, lets dismantle it, point one about the assassin had already been made, time and time again, but its good he includes it here, I agree with him. His second post about electing an assassin to an anti-town role is downright bad if he didn't want the mayor to be in the hands of the assassin and wanted to avoid the assassin game entirly, then why is he proposing the assassin as a pardoner. I will not be held accountable for my votes is a little less pro-town then point one, I understand the "I'll vote for who I feel is scum" thats the duty of every townie mayor or not, what worries me is that he is setting out the groundwork for covering for a pardon with "I said I would be autonomous so I autonomously pardoned the guy you were convinced was scum, because I can" The fact that he would be ok with pandian in a protected position after his stupid claim and after having sustained that Pandian sucks makes me wtf. Dr.H seems to not want people to look for contradictions, which is interesting, I agree that townies often change their mind, thats the issue with imperfect information, but blatant contradictions on core issues are a sure sign of scum. "I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. " we go from pandian is probably lying and should be ignored to pandian is ok as pardoner, also I'm *still* going to ignore anything the town says. Also note how thought he refers to how "worthless" the pardoner role is, when in reality it is a strongly anti town role + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if he's town then i admit i was wrong and then we move on? it's very rare that anyone is correct in 100% of their scumreads and I'm exaggerating my sureness to provoke reactions. I'm about 70% on kav in favor of him being mafia, but of course there is a chance he's town. nothing is really sure in mafia. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if I was wrong. I feel better about mib, i'd rather lynch him and get protact in as pardoner and have him use his check on kav. already setting up the groundwork for "oops", and look, it *was* "oops" + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lol, sorry I meant the right read. Heh. that looks like I planned that now. w/e don't care. i don't think anyone will have the balls to lynch you day 1, even i don't, i'll wait until day 2 to make my case on you unless your tune changes right... ok... again with this "see I wasn't 100% sure, but I was *interdependent*" + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 14:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this is almost artistically scummy throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is i'll still be lynching originalname though well, interesting thing with the ON lynch, huh? Also nice little accusation of tnkted, what did he flip again? Have you made a right call yet? + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote: I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it? My Thoughts OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. Oh goodie, another long post! First of all he calls out my post as being good, which I have no comment on other than when Kav pointed out something as a good point Dr.H's reply was "no one cares" I do agree with his question of "what is a plataform of substance?" I thought I had one, but apparently posting why you would make a good mayor is anti-town. Oh look, he is already setting himself up to be able to lynch kav, nice to know he thought things out ahead of time. At least the town should have been able to figure out what was going to happen Also his "thoughts" boil down to what I said earlier, lynching ON proves absolutely nothing, one way or another. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities. I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious? See, the part about kita makes sense, that was the reactions I was fishing for, both from kita and form the players around him. I find that Dr.H's reasoning for not using a blue list for argument on the basis that the mafia can mislead you to be wrong. The point of a blue list is to open discussion on the topic and increase the power of the blues, if the medic part of the list contains 6 people then maifa will likely try to hit outside of it, increasing the effectiveness of the medics (since the list effectively protected 6 people). This proved slightly flawed as the mafia shot into my list last night. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure. theres tunneling and theres tunneling, sustained aggression is not necessarily bad, irrationally tunneling is. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to lynch Kavdragon with no attached explanation of why he goes from a ON lynch to a Kav lynch... interesting + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. you know the generic advice he accused kav of posting. Yeah, this is an example of it. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 13:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because he isn't mafia probably. Mafia has no real incentive, I don't think they want to see him as pardoner. His check could be really troublesome. I find it amusing that people think I'm scum simply because I pulled ahead after rationalizing my posting and making good points. So if the later switches from GMarshal to me scummy, aren't late switches from me to GMarshal scummy? Oh it isn't scummy. It's all WIFOM. People change their minds, peoples idea of best candidate will change. Let's focus scumhunting on how we actually catch scum: 1. Posting behavior 2. lynching scum -> hindsight analysis Please and thank you. when people are switching votes off of GM because of a "mafia bandwagon" in the first 24 hours of day 1 thats ok, no need to comment. When people suddenly start electing the assassin at the last minute thats not suspicious at all. And then he lynches Kav, after kav requests to be lynched... + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 14:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the reason i quit tl mafia is because of the two times me vs youngminii ended up in two townie deaths if that happens again i'll probably ragequit forever. i hate it when shit like this happens but I mean I guess it's the likely outcome. One of the bigger reasons I don't like the mayor position is it gives the mafia someone to blame for what is the most likely outcome anyway - lynching a townie on the first day. All we can do now is reevaluate whatever information we have. Playing the blame game isn't getting us anywhere. If your only reason for thinking I'm scum is I picked a non-mafia out of 40 people to lynch, then maybe you should keep it to yourself. Oh, no dont berate me for mis-lynching, I might just ragequit! forever! Goes hand in hand with "dont hold me accountable" and it seems to work too. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 14:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: have any other reasons other than i picked a wrong lynch on day 1 like happens in 99% of games anyway? might as well get that out of the way before people make the mistake of paying attention to you any fingers of suspicion on me must be silenced! Although I agree ON failed to provide reasons + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think. Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game. "I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me." = I reserve the right to OMGUS anyone who questions my poor decisions. TL:DR: Dr.H got himself elected on a funky vote switch, killed a town analyst and continues to support an assassin. He is supporting a know liar rather than doing what is reasonable and ran for mayor with the worst possible role to get in office, which is *also* unprovable untill he dies. Yeah, Dr.H is scum. | ||
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Jackal58
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Of those 8 are scum. Of those 27 remaining X amount are assassins. Let's use the number 3 that Proact gave us. We are down to 24 townies and 11 scum. CubeDin replaced 1 player and drew town. With a 30% chance of drawing scum each time he replaces the odds are he has drawn scum the second time around. Lynch CubeDin. Makes as much sense as listening to Proact. | ||
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BrownBear
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On April 14 2011 03:06 CubEdIn wrote: In all fairness, I came in as a replacement during the night, posted twice, and died. I deserve to live at least a day. This is why I subbed him back in, and the only reason I allowed it. I felt CubEd had had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the game before he died, so it was as though he hadn't played, plus I'm trying to avoid modkills at all costs. Any complaints about it can be sent to me. | ||
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bumatlarge
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I'll read more into it later! HI CUBE LOLOLOL | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:27 Kavdragon wrote: Edit: Join me on the deadperson's IRC! (You too tnkted!) If that was at me...I'm not dead yet. But when I am I will. | ||
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