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Blues discuss you're strategy and if Bum if lying claim it please I hope that didnt need to be said... | ||
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March 25 2011 04:56 GMT
#1003
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March 25 2011 05:47 GMT
#1012
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March 26 2011 05:02 GMT
#1327
First things first - ##Vote BumAtLarge If there haven't been ccs up until now Blue is fail and not doing their Job. I also want to clear up this 'stay away from noobs' issue. Yes, I can confirm this is my first Forum Mafia game. And no i'm not new to mafia - i've played on EpicMafia for about a month. I do NOT wish to be given any preferential treatment. If you would lynch me as a veteran player than lynch me now. I won't be put off playing in the forums simply cos I died n1. This is important to the game and if I need to be cleared that way for town to win I AM FINE WITH IT. I will however be put off playing if the reason I am lynched is due to moronic strategy... The next point to address is of course Jackals unfounded, undefended decision to tunnel me at all costs. To start with apparently he has 4/6 consensus that I am scum. On it's face we all know that there are 2 scum in the IG circle. So a realistic possibility is that 2 of these 4 are scum and are trying to get anyone lynched but themselves. As i AM green this is highly likely and so we're relying on a consensus that is likely 50% scum. HOW is that consensus?? More to the point he made it clear there was someone who was against lynching me. As I think we can all agree red and black have NO REASON to work together IG as then green knows who to lynch. Because of this we won't see any teamwork except from green. From that reasoning if anyone is defending me IG it's because they're almost certainly green. So an almost certain green believes me to be town and a 50% scum 'team' say i'm scum... Next I had only PMd ONE person before going to be last night. I told that person that we have an opportunity to work together because they gave me green vibes in the thread. I made a CLEAR condition however - I would only work together once I had somehow cleared them AND they had cleared me. That is to say I don't work with people that I haven't cleared but I also don't work with people that im not sure have cleared me. For the obvious reason that it doesn't make sense to work with me if im not clear to you. Seeing as I only spoke with 1 person this item game team has decided i'm scum WITHOUT EVEN TALKING TO ME. Jackal, coag, etc. have PMd only today while i've been catching up on the thread to find this unbelievably wild accusation When I finally PMd jackal the only thing he had to say was: You scum. Dunno if it's black or red but you scum. This isn't even scumhunting… This is complete tunneling based on no information. Jackal isn't even interested in hearing my defense, he just heard from some other players and said 'Well that's decided then...' Another point - Jackal seems to feel that his plan is auto-win on the IG… Notice how we're getting all kinds of wild suggestions such as lynching all IG players: Beneather Canada. March 26 2011 11:45. Posts 383 I think we should just lynch all the IG players (: Bound to get some scum players then and we won't have to worry about items making Mafia win.. So killing all the IG players will probrably help us more than it's going to hurt us.. What kind of strategy is this? I surely expect stronger play than this in this game. A lot of Jackals 'strong' scumhunting abilities have been mentioned. For reasons I listed above this consensus is not a strong tell of who is or isn't scum. Also his abilities are in question with the simple fact that there's a 33% chance of him BEING scum… Note how in the thread previously the only person to FOS me has been coagulation: Coagulation United States. March 26 2011 05:18. Posts 4498 PEOPLE LOVE LIST'S 1. RebirthOfLeGenD 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. darmousseh 8. bumatlarge 9. GMarshal 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. chaoser 13. Meapak_Ziphh 14. annul 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. GGQ 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. BrownBear 22. Lemonwalrus 23. Rean 24. tnkted 25. Tackster 26. Lanaia 27. iGrok 28. Beneather 29. Insanious 30. Eiii Coagulation supplied NO evidence or support for his claim. As I was unfortunately sleeping which is required of me by the fact that I'm human I haven't been able to adress this until now which is in fact when he has obviously used this baseless FOS to influence jackal as well… If we're outing PMs such as coag did above then I firstly want to mention: Why would I try and defend myself to someone that could be scum? Surely I don't want to leak who I believe the other greens are to a possible red/black? And surely I can't retaliate until I know what has been said about me. Coagulation you're entire manifesto against me has NO foundation. There has been other stuff in the thread that I find we need to be wary of but unfortunately now I'm busy having to defend myself.. More to follow | ||
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 05:09 GMT
#1334
What I mean is there is NOTHING to do with it in the quicktopics and I have not had ANY strategic talk through PMs. Basically if anything has been happening in the PM circle it's that a group of people have been deciding im scum behind my back without even talking to me. Now the scum have a strong interest in persuading the PM to be anti-green so the scum are having a great time seeding doubt while i'm the kid in the corner no one wants to play with... This thread is the only one where I seem to have any say. You guys who are so ready to FOS me PM me and dont rely entirely on people in the IG that can be scum ffs... | ||
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March 26 2011 05:22 GMT
#1338
So far annul is the only person I've really spoken with. And we aren't exactly BFFs.... | ||
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March 26 2011 05:25 GMT
#1341
I would like to point out something else important: I'm new to forum mafia. So barring the idea that I'm the devil and the ultimate scum surely if i'm behaving scummy people must be able to PROVE it.... If I am that devil btw how am I FOSsed when there can be no proof? Anyway notice how not one shred of evidence has been brought forward except for the pseudo-evidence that people in the mini-game think i'm scum without any evidence themselves... Of which by the way 2 consist of SCUM | ||
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March 26 2011 05:30 GMT
#1343
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March 26 2011 05:34 GMT
#1345
As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information... And you should too | ||
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March 26 2011 05:57 GMT
#1348
#1 - We need to decide who we think mayor should lynch #2 - We need to decide how to clue in the blue's on the mini-game strategy #3 - We need to decide who's being mediked I'd like to repeat something important from earlier: Do not out any DT style powers. We don't want to see nerfing... I want to see a discussion on Lemon, personally I feel his posts have all been fluff pieces. However I still don't have a clear read. I refer you to the long but valuable: tnkted United States. March 25 2011 23:32. Posts 292 On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote: While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game. I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote: /in if you are even still letting people in? It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote + Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote + Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote: Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose. As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum. As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?) Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum. So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote: wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me ((((( Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS I haven't heard anything from darmo, I haven't seen many posts by him and I think it's important the Item Game players post ALOT. Any item game player that isn't posting is definitely not doing town any favours. By this I don't mean to accuse anyone but I am encouraging they increase volume to help town. The scum do also have an interest in posting on the IG so there's no way to tell which is which by volume, but any non-posters are doing town a disservice. Oh and by the way - Jackal you semi-outed your list of 3 players to me. I'm not going to repeat it here but I will say that currently I am in complete disagreement with you and I don't understand how that would be possible if we were seriously analysing this IG - so lets see some fibre in that fluff ok? Rean I disagree with one of your points: Rean Netherlands. March 26 2011 06:26. Posts 156 Hmmm. It's probably in black's best interest to start killing off the item-game players as fast as possible, while the red's would want to take it easy there to prevent black taking the cake, since black is arguably the biggest threat to the red team at the moment. So with 1 night-kill a time, it comes down to some good analysis and a few lucky medic/dt's for town to walk away with the items As black cant be hit at night it makes sense they attack the item game not fearing red. However they still need to fear green and as they hit more players in IG they will expose themselves. I felt that comment was similar (but not as bad) as the comment referring killing all IG players... Bum put up a list of candidates for lynching. If you guys feel I need to be added to the list I can accept that. I want to point out 2 IG players are on that list and they seem to be largely left alone... Why?? bumatlarge United States. March 26 2011 06:19. Posts 2058 The lynch candidates as of now: annul orgolove lemonwalrus iGrok deconduo Also @Lemon - if this isn't filler i don't know what is: + Show Spoiler + Lemonwalrus United States. March 26 2011 07:15. Posts 4436 Quote # + Show Spoiler + Ok, so I know some other people have addressed this and you pulled back a bit on the next page but I still want to address this myself since I'm getting a "FUCKING POST MORE GODDAMNIT" vibe from the thread, and I think I can help shed some light on this. First of all, as someone (I think it was Jackal) said, just because I don't play like you play doesn't make me auto-scum. I'll admit that this was daunting at first, but I think I've officially gotten the hang of this game, and you should see my post count shoot up from here on out. (although I still will be afk for hours at a time because god damnit guys I'm a college student seriously I have other things I need to do sometimes holy fuck get off my back) Yes, I talked about irc, and yes, scum would be against irc, but I think (for the reasons that I laid out in my post) that it was also bad for town. Don't ignore the things that I said and then say "He only talked about x" as if that is a reason for me to be scum. But the irc thing is an entirely dead subject at this point so I don't want to harp on it as that will just derail. As for the one liners, please, I beg you guys that are focused on those, go back and look at when I made them. You see all the super useful posts surrounding them? Oh wait you don't? Well that is because nothing of any importance was happening at the time i made them, just people making snap judgements on others as scum before there was anywhere near enough information to make those claims, some of my one liners were before the game even started. Ok, so enough of me feeling like my back is against the wall, I've defended myself as much as I feel I need to until I know bum's reasons for putting me on his hitlist, now I think I'm gonna share some analysis of my own. Coag after all the FOSsing on Lemon why are you confirming him? Buddy much? Coagulation United States. March 26 2011 08:24. Posts 4500 stop hating on LEMONwALRUS plz i already told you guys hes green. Notwithstanding that I hear that Coag is being less random than usual. From my experience that is a town-sided trait. So what I will say is examine the above information and quiz people more (including me) so we can get some good information to work with. I want to point out that cubedin has been giving me good vibes. His posts seem relevant but I do disagree with one: CubEdIn Romania. March 26 2011 09:10. Posts 4099 Ok ok. I'll post some of the more thought out plans tomorrow if I have time, but out of what I seen so far: ... 3. I agree that unless something extraordinary happens, we should take out someone in the item game. Even with a 1:3 shot to hit a scum, it will only get better fast (assuming some of them die during the night as well). If they kill one, we will get a 1:2 shot during day 2. Of course, it's not set in stone, stuff may be revealed, but as a guide line it's a good place to start. This doesn't seem to be good strategy for the IG. We have a 2:3 chance to hit green. Scum have a slightly higher chance to hit green. While our chances to hit scum do indeed get better fast our numbers dwindle and thus we have less chance of having a player left to in fact win. Any remarks? | ||
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March 26 2011 06:07 GMT
#1353
iGrok - he has been discussed at length and I feel he is the one player right on the border between posting enough not to be a lurker and posting too little to fight for town. His pieces aren't particularly fluffy but they contain more carbs than proteins... (watered down arguments and weak suspicions) Beneather - If he isnt scum for suggesting we wipe the IG then he's a town we must lose. Cant afford to have him near the end given his decision making paradigm LemonWalrus - the details are posted above but his relentless need to FOS people that seem town and his filler pieces are extremely obvious to me My top 3 town reads atm: CubedIn is using strong logic and appealing to pro-town strategy. Even if he is mafia I bet that he doesn't use bad logic to convince town because he knows that we can catch him. So I think he's town and if he isn't town then we'll know when he has no choice but to issue emotional appeals tnkted - I really didnt like the idea of using host PMs to try and gauge alignment. However LSB seems to have allowed it in the thread and so I will in fact use that to my advantage. I don't see why mafia would suggest such a strategy. Also tnk went for mayor and made enough mistakes in his campaign that he seems to be a town that isn't veteran rather than a mafia with 3-5 other people to correct his mistakes Bumatlarge - aside from the fact that we're considering him auto-clear he also would be a blue target if he was mafia. What i like is that the blues can keep an eye on him with their PM circle and if he seems to be flipped by mafia they can let us know. GMarshal I would ask you the same question you asked me. Out some suspicions please! | ||
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March 26 2011 06:09 GMT
#1355
Its in my NEXT post that I accuse you | ||
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March 26 2011 06:11 GMT
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March 26 2011 06:12 GMT
#1358
Hope the move went well and congratulations! A new place is always best when it's new so enjoy it! | ||
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March 26 2011 06:16 GMT
#1360
That isn't very pro-town is it? Also if you're green on the IG circle I state again - you're strongest tool is the PM circle - use it fully to get the most advantage. Don't ignore IG players or you'll fail hard | ||
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March 26 2011 06:21 GMT
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March 26 2011 06:25 GMT
#1365
Capital LOL | ||
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March 26 2011 06:29 GMT
#1369
On March 26 2011 15:27 Coagulation wrote: well it has alot to do with the power of elimination buddy. yes usually what we do is take the EVIDENCE and then eliminate scum from our town list or town from our scum list. Mind showing me this evidence please? | ||
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March 26 2011 06:31 GMT
#1371
Sexual in you endo anyone? | ||
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