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I am in college and in such may be unavailable during the day. Note also i'm in a european timezone. Just so you know me: - I'm TOTALLY NEW to forum mafia, remember that and if you're not gonna go easy on me at least don't judge me harshly - I'm a regular on Epic Mafia, understand the mechanics, love the game - I'm pretty much impervious to flames and hate getting into grudge arguments so use logic or state your case but don't bother to emotionally manipulate me, i'll just take it as scummy. I've taken down ALOT of information from all the posts since 11:00 KST so i might split this into several posts or not… Basically the way I see it anyone's opinion can be misleading here so let's start off with facts and move onto motive later. I'm gonna recap what I have of the elections. I'm leaving out unimportant info on people who have retracted. | ||
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Tnkted [RETRACTED] - Only person promising a 'free' vote (players decide n1 lynch) GMarshal [RETRACTED] - Reserves right to choose lynch - Believes mafia/scum are heavily invested in getting the mayorship due to setup Jackal [RETRACTED] - Reserves right to choose lynch Annul - hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch - poor listing of abilities - claimed by several not to have good scumhunting KavDragon - hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch - posting more about other people's campaigns then his own GGQ - hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch - seems to have been forgotten about? Has posted since but reminded no one of his candidacy BumAtLarge - Offers to give his d1 lynch to RebirthOfLegends!! - Claims Blue (Blue claim seems more due to logical motivation rather than a slip IMO) RebirthOfLegend - Reserves right to choose lynch - Professes very strong scum hunting abilities - Offers to stand down if there are no counter-claims to BumAtLarge alignment claim of blue Kenpachi - hasn't posted policy on d1 lynch - Has mentioned his running twice but hasn't spoken of his abilities | ||
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What do we need from our mayor? The mayor lynches day 1. From many it has been made clear that as this lynch is a crapshoot it isn't terribly important who gets hit (Of course I care I just mean it doesn't carry much weight when you decide who is mayor). For that reason the most important reason we try and stop a red/black alignment from getting the mayorship is longevity. We don't want to have to lynch his BGs to get at him. Because of this I have come to care less about the policy of d1 lynches in each campaign and more on whether or not they can scumhunt. This means I personally (and hopefully others) will worry about achieving a balance between paly experience and town telling when voting and NOT whether or not I have a say in the d1 lynch. Outed Blue Candidate: BumAtLarge has outed the fact that he is blue. What I don't understand is why people believe that we may end up with a 4-4 blue/black outing scenario. The way I see it a 50/50 lynch is an extremely pro-town opportunity. On that basis alone black should consider a blue cc. More to the point from towns POV the best thing to do is have a blue claim, wait for a cc and if it comes STOP THERE. We now have a 50/50 situation between 2 players and we don't need to vote either of them. I'm not going to bother explain why an uncced blue is clear so we then find that: If a blue claims and there are no ccs he is clear. If a blue claims and there are ccs NEITHER should be voted mayor. Then our decision only becomes if the blue is cced do we want him as mayor. Personally I feel I would rather have a clear mayor with bad scumhunting abilities then a veteran played who is actually red/black. I really want opinions on the above because I feel the fact I'm new might make that logic wrong. Tell me which you think is more important. In BumAtLarges case I can see that while he doesn't have strong scum hunting skills (or so i hear) he could be clear. For me the decision is then probably made. If a cc does turn up I would expect neither him nor his cc to be voted and instead someone else who meets the best balance on the veteran vs. townishness scale. In fact in that situation I think the d1 lynch should probably be on the blue c.c.s. Thats the end of my analysis rant. Next comes the voting so far... | ||
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+ = semi-certain votes for - = semi-certain votes against Annul: (+1,-1) RoL says annul 'doesn't suck' at voting Meapak says he has 0 scumhunting abilities Kav: (+1,0) Jackal states he will vote Kav GGQ: (0,0) No mentions Chaoser: (+1,-1) Meapak says he will vote Chaoser if he doesn't retract CubEdin is against a Chaoser vote Bum: (+6,-1) RoL will vote him in exchange for exclusive rights to his lynch iGrok is voting Bum Tntked is voting Bum KavDragon does not support Bum Meapak has Bum in his top 3 CubEdin supports Bum Brownbear supports Bum Coagulation opposes Bum RoL: (0,0) Meapak has RoL in his top 3 Ken: (0,0) No mentions Bum is in a clear lead here. Issues I personally have with any candidates/tactics are as follows: I feel Bum definitely cant give away his vote. The entire point behind voting a blue is having a stronger lynch chance d1 due to being clear and knowing the other blues. Even if giving the vote away means a stronger scum hunter would use it there is no way of knowing which alignment RoL is. If this were Epic Mafia I would be seriously worried about RoL for offering this trade as it seems against town. However things in forum mafia may be a bit different. Chaoser made an interesting point which started a debate on whether to pick our mayor from the mini-game or not. The chances of picking mafia in the mini game are 33%. The chances of picking a mafia when the mini-game is excluded is 33%. The chances of picking mafia from the entire role of players is 33%. These numbers don't do us any favors. Seeing as having a clear from the mini-game is impossible, as there are no blues, I would urge this strategy not be employed. (Someone check my maths, but i'm pretty sure i'm right) Chaoser mentioned he would sheep town on the mayoral vote - I personally cannot support a mayor that would leave anything up to chance, even an election. Meapak mentioned that mafia 100% knows who town is: Jackal is a little enigmatic to me. While I feel he's been pretty protown so far, Coag's insta confirm of him has me really suspicious. tbh I'm more suspicious of Coag because only the mafia know 100% who is town. Perhaps I'm taking his view out of context but this seems to be wrong on several levels: #1 Mafia know who isn't mafia, not who is town #2 Surely the third party (seemingly a second mafia) would also 'know' town. #3 Meapak may misunderstand the tactics mafia will use in this game Also Meapak has asserted he wishes to vote Chaoser but will vote Bum if Chaoser retracts. This implies he thinks Bum is clear (if uncced) but wishes to go for an uncertainty anyway (i.e. tunneling the mayoral vote). Surely in this situation logic dictates his vote be changed to Bum and not be dependent on whether Chaoser stands? Misreading and misvoting - 2 attributes I don't want to see in the mayor Lastly - and I apologize to my roomate for this (  ):Jackal voted almost midway during night 0. I think LSB made it clear that vote didn't count but it was still made. Deconduo offered an official and serious FOS so soon into the game… Guys inform me if it's normal to behave that way or if in fact it's rushing it a bit... | ||
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Chaoser I don't know how i f****d up your candidacy cos i copy/pasted from textedit. As no edits are allowed I'll leave it as is as you get more mention later. | ||
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Coagulation United States. March 24 2011 13:24. Posts 4432 wait what if theres no counter claim to you bum because the blues just got a green townie PM like the rest of us? | ||
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Chaoser in the previous you said: chaoser United States. March 24 2011 13:01. Posts 2183 I will follow town's vote. | ||
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I apologise for my noob-ish-nessy-osity,,, | ||
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So I retract the accusation of sheeping. However I do believe that voting yourself rather than leaving it up to town is very important. With a self decided vote we have a chance at killing the bad guys based on your skills (even if your mafia the chance of hitting town d1 are high and so not much lost). If instead you leave it up to town we're no longer letting skills decide but persuasive power. Again I'd rather rely on your skills and hope you're not mafia then fight the mafia's conniving ability to affect votes! | ||
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CubEdIn Romania. March 25 2011 05:44. Posts 4069 Oh, almost forgot: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty much impervious to flames and hate getting into grudge arguments so use logic or state your case but don't bother to emotionally manipulate me, i'll just take it as scummy. Shut up, you're ugly! /add_to_scum_list CubEdin :ays | ||
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And it was gonna be funny too:  | ||
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Tbh if I was Bum and was willing to out I would have waited until roles were distributed. However if he's uncced i'm going to SERIOUSLY lose respect for anyone that says he's red/black. Also if a cc is on the way and blues are waiting for role outing before they do I applaud their good sense. The only way he could be if he's uncced is if ALL the blues are complete afkers or morons. In the which case the game was probably lost to start with. | ||
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The whole point of you being elected was a clear role that wouldn't by swayed by mafia. When you decide to lynch take your own scumhunting abilities into account and try not to let mafia influence you too much when you read the posts on who to lynch. DONT leave the lynch up to a town vote.... Then we're trading any point of you being clear with the mafia's ability to influence town. Just say you're gonna take our votes into account but make your own decision and reserve the right to shoot who you want. It's the pro-town thing to do! | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:49 orgolove wrote: There's still nothing that proves that bum is actually a blue as he claims to be. He could just as easily have a roleswitching/godfather role that is practically impossible to prove in a game such as this that has no reveal on death. I don't understand why you guys are blindly trusting his claim. We've been burned by the reds before... And I love how bum immediately puts me under his suspicion list because I'm not blindly sheeping like the rest of the town. Anyway. If push comes to shove, I'd rather support Kavdragon than you. I don't see how if Bum claims blue and blue are not afk he can be anything but without a CC. Roles arent out yet - he has no powers.. No one does | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:10 LSB wrote: No comment... From now on Annul, before you ask a questions check if it is answered in the OP. If Yes, don't ask the question. If No, you probably don't need to know the answer, so don't ask the question. Harsh but INCREDIBLY fair... | ||
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