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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Be back tomorrow guys, waiting to see if there's a blue claim or not, then we can get down to other business like scumhunting and lynches :3 | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Town's number one enemy at this point is Annul. He has single handedly wasted over 100 posts on stupid arguments, and done a royal job of distracting the town. I will say it now: If I am elected mayor, I will lynch annul. Regardless of his alignment, his play is detrimental to the town. I'm sorry annul if this is your style, but it's not acceptable here. I'm entertaining the idea that he's scum again, and the scum team is so fed up with him, that they just said "Go throw fit in the thread and see how many people you can drag into the fight." Annul, you have some good points, but you have others that shouldn't have ever been brought up. The way you argue is ridiculous. I say this objectively, only looking at how your arguments are received. Above all arguments are made to convince people. You are failing at that, therefore your arguments are bad. This has already started in some respect, but people, please ignore Annul as much as you can. At this point arguing with him has proven fruitless, and it's only trashing the thread more. I'm going to call out my BFF coag, and plead that you keep the spam at a minimum. As far as elections go, I think we need to shelf the argument about Bum's alignment for a day. Let the blues out there take a bit of time, and then decide what to do. (I personally believe that he is Blue, but again, let's stop arguing about it, because time will show us more clearly than any argument would.) So what do we do if we ignore annul, and stop talking about bum for a day??? From what I can gather from pre-game info-gathering, town will almost certainly have more than the 1 KP from the lynch. To be clear, I believe there to be KP roles amongst the greens. (I have no proof, only an educated guess because this is Insane) On that topic, what are your thoughts on the direction (or lack there of) for these extra shots? + Show Spoiler [My opinions on the matter] + I think that the mayor should put together a que of people that should die. This list should be built with the town, but influenced by the circle of blues (assuming a bum mayor). This would give players with KP roles advice on who they might hit. Obviously the choice will be theirs, as it should be, but I think that building a list cannot hurt their decisions. Above all, it generates discussion on who wants who killed, which will give juicy information to the town. To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
Anyways, let me start of with ##Vote/Elect: bumatlarge. Like most, I agree that because of his blue claim, if he was truly lying a real blue would CC in the near future and we could net a 1:1 trade. If he wasn't lying and he is actually a blue, then we just gave ourselves a solid hint to a pro-town player. But wait, a blue is more important than catching scum and trading would be bad! Yes and no. It depends how much the blue can do with his powers. If he is a good blue and gets information to public before he could die then yes trading could be a bit bad for town. But, if he isn't a good blue or even a good analyst in general, trading is a good thing for town. Like what Kav has said before, analysis and scum-hunting ability > blues. It may be harder to do in an Insane game because of all the powers but with great analysis even just townies can gather together to beat scum. This is all I have so far to contribute, I have work the whole day tmr and I have to go out after work at night so I will not be active tmr. I'll have my vote on bum for now in case I am really busy and cannot vote. Also please stop with one-liners and off topic posts, posting quality creates a better pro-town environment and gives scum way less opportunity to blend in and get away with one or two non-irrelevant posts. Please don't make me read 10 or 20 pages when I get home tmr. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2011 14:10 Kavdragon wrote: Ok, so: A few things we have learned: Town's number one enemy at this point is Annul. He has single handedly wasted over 100 posts on stupid arguments, and done a royal job of distracting the town. I will say it now: If I am elected mayor, I will lynch annul. Regardless of his alignment, his play is detrimental to the town. I'm sorry annul if this is your style, but it's not acceptable here. I'm entertaining the idea that he's scum again, and the scum team is so fed up with him, that they just said "Go throw fit in the thread and see how many people you can drag into the fight." Annul, you have some good points, but you have others that shouldn't have ever been brought up. The way you argue is ridiculous. I say this objectively, only looking at how your arguments are received. Above all arguments are made to convince people. You are failing at that, therefore your arguments are bad. This has already started in some respect, but people, please ignore Annul as much as you can. At this point arguing with him has proven fruitless, and it's only trashing the thread more. I'm going to call out my BFF coag, and plead that you keep the spam at a minimum. As far as elections go, I think we need to shelf the argument about Bum's alignment for a day. Let the blues out there take a bit of time, and then decide what to do. (I personally believe that he is Blue, but again, let's stop arguing about it, because time will show us more clearly than any argument would.) So what do we do if we ignore annul, and stop talking about bum for a day??? From what I can gather from pre-game info-gathering, town will almost certainly have more than the 1 KP from the lynch. To be clear, I believe there to be KP roles amongst the greens. (I have no proof, only an educated guess because this is Insane) On that topic, what are your thoughts on the direction (or lack there of) for these extra shots? + Show Spoiler [My opinions on the matter] + I think that the mayor should put together a que of people that should die. This list should be built with the town, but influenced by the circle of blues (assuming a bum mayor). This would give players with KP roles advice on who they might hit. Obviously the choice will be theirs, as it should be, but I think that building a list cannot hurt their decisions. Above all, it generates discussion on who wants who killed, which will give juicy information to the town. To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) Before I even begin to catch up on the thread. I want to say this seems about 100% to what I will be thinking. I dunno what Annul did but I consider his play to be very anti town regardless. And I also agree that bum is most likely town based on things I read up to the mid 20's. But Kav, are you still against voting for Bum because you want a "Strong" scumhunter in the mayor position? I wouldn't mind a summary before reading 9 miles of shit. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On March 25 2011 14:10 Kavdragon wrote: Ok, so: A few things we have learned: Town's number one enemy at this point is Annul. He has single handedly wasted over 100 posts on stupid arguments, and done a royal job of distracting the town. I will say it now: If I am elected mayor, I will lynch annul. Regardless of his alignment, his play is detrimental to the town. I'm sorry annul if this is your style, but it's not acceptable here. I'm entertaining the idea that he's scum again, and the scum team is so fed up with him, that they just said "Go throw fit in the thread and see how many people you can drag into the fight." Annul, you have some good points, but you have others that shouldn't have ever been brought up. The way you argue is ridiculous. I say this objectively, only looking at how your arguments are received. Above all arguments are made to convince people. You are failing at that, therefore your arguments are bad. This has already started in some respect, but people, please ignore Annul as much as you can. At this point arguing with him has proven fruitless, and it's only trashing the thread more. I'm going to call out my BFF coag, and plead that you keep the spam at a minimum. As far as elections go, I think we need to shelf the argument about Bum's alignment for a day. Let the blues out there take a bit of time, and then decide what to do. (I personally believe that he is Blue, but again, let's stop arguing about it, because time will show us more clearly than any argument would.) So what do we do if we ignore annul, and stop talking about bum for a day??? From what I can gather from pre-game info-gathering, town will almost certainly have more than the 1 KP from the lynch. To be clear, I believe there to be KP roles amongst the greens. (I have no proof, only an educated guess because this is Insane) On that topic, what are your thoughts on the direction (or lack there of) for these extra shots? + Show Spoiler [My opinions on the matter] + I think that the mayor should put together a que of people that should die. This list should be built with the town, but influenced by the circle of blues (assuming a bum mayor). This would give players with KP roles advice on who they might hit. Obviously the choice will be theirs, as it should be, but I think that building a list cannot hurt their decisions. Above all, it generates discussion on who wants who killed, which will give juicy information to the town. To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) I agree with you points on annul, but I think he can bounce back. I don't feel it was that detrimental, considering the topic was the item game and mayoral talk. The only thing we ignored was the lynch decision. I feel both deconduo and iGrok were just following the annul conversation I felt they needed to give their opinions. I haven't felt the same way you do. Maybe that's just because they are supporting me. I think orgolove is a better choice. He mimicked annul in trying to put dirt on my claim without giving an alternative, which annul had (unfortunately for our readers). I'd like to hear more on dec and grok when you get the chance. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Kavdragon, excellent points. I completely agree with you (except that I'm scummy - I look forward to reading your reasons). @Bumatlarge/Tackster, I think we should lynch annul. A) Lynch an item-gamer. B) Lynch an anti-town. Annul has been nothing but a distraction, and even if he is town (which I doubt), he's better off dead imo. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Another thing I want to mention, a distinction I never really thought about I saw Ver mention in his XXXVII analysis thread. When you are stuck thinking whether a player is mafia, or just a dumb town. The biggest indicator is looking to see if it appears as though they are hiding something, or privy to information they shouldn't have. If it appears that way chances are they are scum and not stupid. If you don't feel like they are being deceptive chances are they are just stupid. Since I haven't gone over the Annul posts yet, I would recommend anyone who has done so already to think about them using that as a scope in which to view it through. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On March 25 2011 14:43 bumatlarge wrote:I think orgolove is a better choice. He mimicked annul in trying to put dirt on my claim without giving an alternative, which annul had (unfortunately for our readers). I'd like to hear more on dec and grok when you get the chance. Except I did - note how I voted and supported Kav within my first few posts. On March 25 2011 14:43 bumatlarge wrote: I feel both deconduo and iGrok were just following the annul conversation I felt they needed to give their opinions. I haven't felt the same way you do. Maybe that's just because they are supporting me. So if you're elected mayor, you'll overlook scummy behavior as long as they support you? lol in that case I'll support you as well! Seriously. Are we really electing this guy who's shown such a clear instance of bias and "favoritism" for the mayorship? There's a better choice out there. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
All kidding aside, what annul did was so horribly anti town that even after I asked him to stop arguing about the topic to focus on other things till at least everyone got their powers, 3-4 more pages sprang up and my post was totally ignored by him. I don't know if that's just how he plays but in XXXVII he did the same thing day 1, not letting go of an issue until it led to his death. When you're arguing and all of town doesn't agree with you and it's getting nowhere except to waste time and to spam up the thread while everyone is going in circles, maybe it's time to stop. Even if your idea is the greatest in the world, if no one is convinced, it is the shittest idea in the world. My two cents on that issue. I, like Ace, am all for policy lynches. A townie that doesn't play pro town is even worse than a mafia cause we shouldn't have to worry about you, but because of your play, we do. I'd put my vote (if I had one) against annul. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On March 25 2011 15:17 orgolove wrote: Except I did - note how I voted and supported Kav within my first few posts. So if you're elected mayor, you'll overlook scummy behavior as long as they support you? lol in that case I'll support you as well! Seriously. Are we really electing this guy who's shown such a clear instance of bias and "favoritism" for the mayorship? There's a better choice out there. When you're blindly supporting Kav? He hasn't posted any reasons on deconduo and I think iGrok's actions are perfectly explainable as town. I haven't much reason why these two are suspects, and until Kav gives his reasons or maybe you do (lol perish the thought), I don't feel they have shown much scuminess. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On March 25 2011 15:30 bumatlarge wrote: When you're blindly supporting Kav? He hasn't posted any reasons on deconduo and I think iGrok's actions are perfectly explainable as town. I haven't much reason why these two are suspects, and until Kav gives his reasons or maybe you do (lol perish the thought), I don't feel they have shown much scuminess. Blindly? I just trust his reasonable attitude and scumhunting abilities, both what he's showing right now and from previous experience, much more than your blue "slip" and power play gamble. Thanks to you, the entire first day has been wasted so far on debate of your alignment, when we have 30+ other players, 1/3rd of them of which are black or red. What we need is levelheaded analysis and not a hotheaded accusation just based on how someone doesn't support you. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2011 15:17 orgolove wrote: Except I did - note how I voted and supported Kav within my first few posts. So if you're elected mayor, you'll overlook scummy behavior as long as they support you? lol in that case I'll support you as well! Seriously. Are we really electing this guy who's shown such a clear instance of bias and "favoritism" for the mayorship? There's a better choice out there. Seriously, when you twist words like that it isn't helping your case. Bum was simply saying how he might of had a little bias from those who appeared to align themselves with him. It's natural for us to not suspect though who agree with us, and for you to twist that into him "Overlooking" scummy behavior is a blatant misrepresentation of his stance, which is painfully antitown imo. | ||
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