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On February 15 2011 09:55 Gofarman wrote: Played on a couple forums in the past won a few lost a few, I generally catch a bead on a individual player and follow them throughout games causing them no end of pain or making them a better player. How is the meta in tlmafia? The last forum I played for a couple months the meta got unbearable, people figuring out setups simply by looking at what the mods had previously done; on that thread does anyone do smaller games like C9's? (I played on mafiascum and the wizards forum mostly in the past) It's a lot faster than Mafiascum. 48/24hr day/nights are more exciting IMO. The meta is pretty good. Unless it's a regular game (like this one), it would be hard to figure out anything close to the real setup. Also figuring out the setup isn't that important over here. Right now there is a problem with people going inactive, but it isn't that bad. Hopefully you'll enjoy it! | ||
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On February 22 2011 06:53 Conversion wrote: hey I'm a new player  be nice to me!! Don't vote to lynch me, and I won't vote to lynch you kk? | ||
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Plus not editing jacks up your post count! By the end of this game, you could be a zergling, or even a hydra! Game starts 03:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Btw, I got lots to do today/tomorrow, so don't mind me kk? On February 23 2011 12:27 Foolishness wrote: You know a 30 sided die is mathematically impossible right? Make it like a d8, but 15 edges on the top and bottom. | ||
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1) You can't stop them. Say I PM GMarshal. Boom town circle 2) You can't force someone to PM another person. Although set up 'cells' are nice, people won't do anything, if they don't trust the other people in the cell. 3) Discussion on town circles is useless. It's like discussing the Proleauge, you can't change anything about it even if you yell really hard. But what can we do about this town circle discussion? Well, I did find one good post. On February 23 2011 13:31 annul wrote: pretty sure its better for people to post things in the thread -- much easier to catch red slips that way. if people only post in these mini town circles, then people are probably more inclined psychologically to trust their town circle and not consider them red, etc. Check this out. Annul is directly attacking town circles, making weird reasons 'being more inclined to trust certain people' and 'only post in these town circles.' I don't see why this is a bad trait for townies. Everyone trusts certain people. For example, I'm trusting Foolishness because I don't believe that RoL would make him mafia given the state of TL town. In addition, Annul is saying that mafia would benefit from these town circles. Again, this is messed up reasoning. Remember, mafia has their own PM circle and if they want to discuss fake anyasis they do so in their own circles, town circles force them under individual scrutiny. Now, more on Annul, check out this post by him On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote: it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers Annul's attacking people way to early again... interesting... not the first time he did this. Last time he did this he was mafia. I'm keeping this in mind. Annul as mafia likes to tunnel people and pretend an argument exists. That worked well in XXXV because town had an IQ of 2, but lets play better kk? On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Only problem is that when he plays town he isn't much better off, and isn't the most pro-town player (RoL did that just fine in Merc Micro) And a few posts I want to point out On February 23 2011 13:47 gryffindor wrote: This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote; ##Vote: GMarshal -.- Asks for people to claim to him. Check Blindly throws a FOS not really understanding what's going on. Check Helloo -Removed because of Qatol's post- On February 24 2011 01:53 deconduo wrote: My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other. This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you. Can I see these Pms? | ||
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Inactive voting is a form of a policy lynch, you lynch someone because 1) you hope that through example people will be less inactive (This never works btw), and 2) you don't want to bring the inactive to lylo. Someone who doesn't post much is going to suck at Lylo. Dealing with Inactives is incredibly important, practically every large normal game lost by the town was because of Inactives. 3 mafia v 4 inactives is no contest at all. Now, should we waste a lynch on an inactive? How about instead we push town inactives to modkill themselves? What do you guys think about that? We get to use our lynch on annul, and the inactives still disappear! | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:28 GMarshal wrote: sure, here is what I sent to deconduo, do you want his response as well? + Show Spoiler + To: deconduo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Mafia XXXVII Date: 2/24/11 00:13 Hi! So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share? Gryffindor sent me this, so maybe thats what Deconduo is reffering to Original Message From gryffindor: What are your general reads so far? | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:29 annul wrote: ROL was the most town in merc mafia? he was mafia and, again, if the town actually listened to me, we won. You lost the game in Merc Mafia. As I said, Kav would have one the game it's not my fault people are too fucking stupid to see the good ideas in the things i say. i really do not know what more i need to do other than scream "I AM A MEDIC" 500 times (in merc mafia, not here) and give 100% of my information to whoever asked. what else is there to do? You are forgetting that the reason why you knew that RoL was mafia was because the town knew that between You and RoL, one of you two killed LD. However, instead of trying to persuade the town, you used process of elimination, saw that RoL had to be mafia, and started yelling without explaining yourself and swearing off people. Again, this is the fault of annul, he just asserts that he is right with no real reasoning. This is bad for the town for two reasons. 1) It makes him an easy bus by the mafia, ie merc mafia. 2) It makes it easy for him to hide when he actually is mafia. and really? in the other mafia game i attacked you because what you did made no sense. also, i was trying to take down people who were skilled and i figured i had the chance to do it with you (i did). i almost got away with it too. probably would have if not for ROL being veteran making me unable to kill him night 1 ;\ Not really... You got killed day 2 for a reason. Because a lot of people including me fingered you as mafia. | ||
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I don't want to take him to lylo, and I don't think that he can be persuaded to modkilled himself | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:51 GMarshal wrote: not to quibble but I had like 90 posts when I started playing mafia... I don't see how you can possibly make a judgment based on that. To make judgments you hit "profile, posts" and then stalk everything in there. Ser Aspi's posting history looks normal to me imo. | ||
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LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia. Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. [quote] In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution. [/QUOTE] When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot.[/spoiler] | ||
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On February 24 2011 14:14 why wrote: LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia. Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution. When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot. | ||
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DO NOT think you can make a confirmed circle day 1 DO NOT rely on 'confirmed towniesm | ||
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For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information. | ||
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On February 24 2011 19:14 CubEdIn wrote: Icemac, on the other hand, is a smurf, so I can't know what he's usually like, but I'm guessing that he played with us before, and that's why he's being overly aggressive in some instances. I don't think that makes him scum though, especially if he played in Mafia 36 and he's got an idea about what GM "should play like", and isn't. Wait, Icemac is a smurf? Doesn't look like it to me | ||
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On February 24 2011 19:39 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote: Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night?  I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much.My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58 This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. | ||
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On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote: Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. I don't find him suspicions because that's how he plays. Jackel58 is known to post an OMGUS list with little/no explanation, but he is scary accurate on the scum. Look at Guts and Glory. Jackel didn't really do much in the game but name 4 people. Of the 4 people, 3 were scum. If we are going to lynch Jackal, it can't just because of a "maybe" or a "tell". I want proof. | ||
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Sure. Original post On February 24 2011 15:17 LSB wrote: EBWOP Exactly, I've already explained why Annul is a horrible choice as we go to lylo. In addition, Annul is playing pretty scummy you can read my responses to his posts. Its a two for one deal. When I read through those posts, I see Icemanic supporting Annul's thoughts against the plan. In addition "day 1 analysis doesn't matter" is something I always watch out for as scum defence of scumbudie. To me, if Annul is mafia, icemanic isn't looking so hot. Gryfs Pms Original Message From gryffindor: that guy also defended a few other people, but sure, he didn't want to lynch annul. Can you admit that you wanting to lynch annul is null in that you would be doing it regardless of what either of your alignments are? This is a clear defense of Icemanic, and trying to soft defend annul. I am confident in saying that if I replied with "ya your right, I think annul is town but I hate him and just want to lynch him", gryffindor would be supporting Annul. Of course, why lynch Annul? Well lets look at his most recent posts On February 25 2011 04:49 annul wrote: that makes no sense i dont know why this wagon is rolling on iceman we need to be voting for people that actually deserve it, such as people who bring in horrible ideas, like GM. obviously when there is 1 minute left if the vote is still close i will have to revote to iceman, but i would really much rather this wagon be GM/chaos or, if it HAS to be me (why is this always the case regardless of my role?), then me and GM. remember LSB just has a grudge against me. go read 35. ive called GM out for a bad idea and actually gave reasons, and i'm red... where 5 people have wagoned onto iceman for a much worse reason and face no heat? think about it He's insisting that we lynch GM. Why? Oh, because of his sudden ascertain that town circles are 'ainti-town' for no reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=30#581 In addition, in this post, he has not taken a stance on Iceman (sorry if I missed a post where he did). He did say in his post that he will vote Iceman, if Iceman is on the chopping block And he does nothing else but respond to his own posts. Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV 1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation 2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any. | ||
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On February 25 2011 05:08 Barundar wrote: Lol when did Jackal become gods gift to scumhunt? He sheeped after Coag onto GGQ in that game, messing up the Amber lynch. He also had me pegged as mafia in a post. In mini mafia V he tunneled pandain so hard he nearly lost the game for town alone. I wrote Jackal's playstyle into my post. I don't see you disagreeing with what I wrote there? I also explained why his first post differed from that. What I am saying is that Jackal wrote two kinds of posts this game. The first is just an apology that he's going to be busy. This is very standard. And the second is his normal fair, not explaining much. The problem is your argument is this. 1) Jackal isn't posting as usual, so he must be mafia 2) Jackal is posting as usual, so he must be mafia. You are going to have to pick one of the two. You can't argue both. As for Jackal58 having good hunches, iirc he wasn't too far off the mark in midgame XXXVI But you want "proof". Can you hand me the proof for annul so I can vote him then? Look to the post I just did | ||
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20. MaxwellE - Probably won't be modkilled since he just replaced in 21. kitaman27 - Please vote soon I like you ~1 Hour till polls close | ||
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On February 25 2011 10:51 annul wrote: 2. i was "easy to read" in 35 because i attacked LSB day 1 -- as a red -- with logic that LSB thought was crap because he knew he was town and i knew he was town. but i managed to convince everyone about it. i write pages and pages of stuff because A. i figured i could get him dead and B. it gave everyone else on my team cover. i knew i had to remove experience so my team could coast to victory on the back of the inactivity and inexperience remaining in the game. this was calculated and intentional. i still believe LSB gave me a good door to attack him through, even as he may disagree. 35 has nothing to do with 37. GM came up with what i still think was a crap idea, even if some people may like it, so i said such. So why is GM's idea sucky? Hmmm? | ||
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Check this out. Annul is directly attacking town circles, making weird reasons 'being more inclined to trust certain people' and 'only post in these town circles.' I don't see why this is a bad trait for townies. Everyone trusts certain people. For example, I'm trusting Foolishness because I don't believe that RoL would make him mafia given the state of TL town. In addition, Annul is saying that mafia would benefit from these town circles. Again, this is messed up reasoning. Remember, mafia has their own PM circle and if they want to discuss fake anyasis they do so in their own circles, town circles force them under individual scrutiny. Just wondering, did I miss any other reasons? | ||
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On February 25 2011 11:06 annul wrote: maybe you should quote the other ones where i give a realistic, probable example of the harm of these circles So you admit your attack of GMarshal is unrealistic and improbable. | ||
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On February 25 2011 11:06 annul wrote: maybe you should quote the other ones where i give a realistic, probable example of the harm of these circles Translation: Annul says: "It's unfair that you choose one of my bad posts, why don't you choose one of my good posts?" This implies the post I'm referring to isn't one of your "realistic, probable" posts. Therefore it must not be realistic and it must be improbable. | ||
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MEDIC PLEASE PROTECT ME. And Foolishness too. | ||
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PROTECT ME MEDICS Please!!!! I want to live to see day 2... I haven't done that in so long... Wow... I actually haven't lived to see day 2 since... uhh... pokemafia? (HP mafia didn't count) | ||
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On February 25 2011 12:22 Coagulation wrote: I THINK THERES A GOOD CHANCE THAT THIS WAS JUST A ELABORATE MOVE TO PLAY TOWN.. LSB THREW ANNUL UNDER THE BUS TO GET CREDIBILITY. EVERYTHING WAS TOO EASY. AND IM 100% CERTIEN LSB IS SMART ENOUGH TO USE HIS PAST RIVALRIES WITH ANNUL AS A COVER TO MAKE IT LOOK GENUINE. MEDICS DO NOT PROTECT LSB. | ||
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Read the following spoiler before you yell OMGUS + Show Spoiler + So you say, LSB is this just an OMGUS vote? Not really because I do have analysis. But the thing is, with annul at the helm, he probably knows the importance of taking me out in any way possible, and since I’m doctor protected, he can’t take me out at night so the mafia will try to do it during the day 1. Barundar attempts to redirect the lynch off of annul This has two parts, a forced analysis of Jackal, and a weak defense of Annul Barundar’s attack on Jackal Now, at this point of time, mafia is sweating, they need to finger someone, and fast. There were two lynches that may be indicative of this Icanflylow, which is an inactive lynch, or Jackal58. Barundar is the person who started the Jackal bandwagon, and lets look at it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=33#647 Barundar describes his analysis best here On February 24 2011 21:14 Barundar wrote: It's true that Jackal hasn't posted much, and that his first post is by far the substantive part of my argument. But that is beceause that was where he messed up. Mafia aren't going to be suspecious all the way, mafia can contribute or share when they feel it furthers their cause. But his first post set off all the alarms, it contains multiple apologies for not only time, also for "new players" in the game, and it promises more, that wasn't delivered. Barundar takes a very small part, one post and runs far with it. This is what I call, “Forcing analysis”. Barundar is trying to look for practically anything to be able to throw mud to he makes a mountain out of a molehill Barundar’s defense of Annul On February 25 2011 05:08 Barundar wrote: But you want "proof". Can you hand me the proof for annul so I can vote him then? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=38#753 His defense of Annul here. 2. Contradictions, lots of them to try to ‘prove his point’ On February 25 2011 09:19 Barundar wrote: A storytime? Thats your example of proof? I see a weak case, and absolutely no opposition to lynching annul, despite him being far ahead, and noone really taking responsability for pushing it. Weak case and no opposition=townie from my experience. There is not even a serius alternative at this point. In this post Barundar says that we shouldn’t look at how Annul played in XXXV, as past analysis isn’t an example of proof. But guess what? That’s what Barundar based his Jackal case on, past analysis This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In addition, as I explained before, his push for Jackal relies on a huge contradiction On February 25 2011 07:36 LSB wrote: What I am saying is that Jackal wrote two kinds of posts this game. The first is just an apology that he's going to be busy. This is very standard. And the second is his normal fair, not explaining much. The problem is your argument is this. 1) Jackal isn't posting as usual, so he must be mafia 2) Jackal is posting as usual, so he must be mafia. You are going to have to pick one of the two. You can't argue both. As for Jackal58 having good hunches, iirc he wasn't too far off the mark in midgame XXXVI Look to the post I just did Contradictions are scummy because they indicate forced analysis. The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. And contradictions come when mafia isn’t careful with their fiction writing. And if you want proof I'm green, the fact that foolishness is still alive and wasn't triple stacked last night should be good enough. + Show Spoiler + <3 you foolishness ##Vote Barundar | ||
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On February 27 2011 03:18 chaoser wrote: Wouldn't mafia, if they were trying to redirect off annul, find it easier to pick gryf to stack on? He lied multiple times, changed from no to the PMs to yes to PMs but with his own list. I mean, that's a much easier case to be made than to do it on jackal right? It doesn't make sense to try to push jackal is a viable lynch candidate for mafia when the big juicy target of gryf is there. Imo jackal is an easier lynch candidate because his posts are borderline spam (but correct spam written with a gold pen), and gryf had mods telling people to lay off speculation on who his he. In addition, Bill Murray town play is exactly like how you described, a simple link to Haunted Mafia would have killed any serious bandwagon. On February 27 2011 03:12 Barundar wrote: To everyone else, I will post a full case on LSB later. He has several inconsistencies in his posts, showing that he 1) staged the annul lynch 2) tried to take more credit for a lynch than he deserved. I'm going to hold you accountable to this For now I would just like to point out he doesn't actually even defend himself against my accusation. That was an accusation? This is what your points were. 1) Tried to find mafia from Annul's pre-written Goodbye post 2) Speculated that Rol must have ensured that foolishness and me are on different teams 3) Assume that Annul would let me bus him 4) Says that my scumdar was too good 5) Claim that not voting for Annul is a town tell. Do you seriously want me to respond to them? | ||
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1) Take out good players 2) Take out blues 3) Take out active players. Generally TL mafia shoots down all active players until the town kills itself with inactivity. Now, we can devide the people into 4 groups Btw, I define bus as mafia started lynch. Priority 1: Automatic night 1 snipes if possible These players are proven scumhunters LSB Foolishness Priority 2: Active vets These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal Beneather seRapH chaoser LunarDestiny deconduo why Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus Coagulation Jackal58 Kenpachi gryffindor ohN Uncatagorized: Newish people, sort them into the three groups as they start playing icemac OriginalName JBright astroorion Gofarman MaxwellE Conversion kevconsim ICanFlyLow Ser Aspi LastArgument Please note, this isn't really indicative of skill. Someone like Jackal58 who is good at finding scum is increadibly easy to bus. On the other hand, people like DocH and Pandain (they aren't playing) are active, but aren't really good at finding scum. And this is all subjective some names I don't recognize, and I made it off of what I remember. Especially Priority 1 | ||
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Firstly, the list should sort of establish a minimum threshold for a lynch. Basically if we are going to lynch a priority 1 person, the analysis must be far better than a priority 3 person, because if we're wrong, that would be far worse for the town. Secondly, we have to keep a watch of Priority 2 people. These people will start dropping like flies at night. At the same time there probably is 2-3 mafia in the list. This list may prove useful in the latter stages of the game, where there are lots of dead people. If Beneather and Barundar are the only ones left in Priority 2, and everyone else is a dead townie their, we can be 90% sure they are mafia. So this will be the Priority 2 watchlist. It won't be useful now, but day 4/5 it will be very useful as a place to start looking for scum Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal Beneather seRapH chaoser LunarDestiny deconduo why "But LSB", you ask, "does this work?" Yes! Look at Pokemafia. Infun is a priority 1 player. It was interesting how he didn't die. Well, that was because he was mafia. In addition, by publishing this list, mafia will probably be more warey of killing people who are priority two. It also gives an incentive for newer players to post lots, so they will get into priority two. If people have any suggestions for changes to the list, just post/pm me. | ||
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On February 27 2011 04:54 chaoser wrote: So basically you claimed town, you didn't even say "good players" you said "proven scumhunters" aka keep us around cause we'll help town win please don't lynch us or town is fucked. Not to mention you scream for medic protection, making it seem like you're town. So what do you think about the actual list? You haven't commented if its a good idea or not. Ad Hominem arguments don't count. In addition, how is the list consolidating power? It's not reliant on me at all, in fact, the purpose of the list is so that when I'm dead, people will have an idea of what the mafia is doing and what to pay attention to. | ||
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On February 27 2011 18:15 Barundar wrote: 1) First of all annul was already under what I believe to be town suspicion before LSB entered the scene. Deconduo had cast his vote on annul at least to pressure him, OriginalName had asked if we should start voting him, GMarshal had been analysing his post and found no contribution, Mr.Wiggles found his playstyle in mafia xxxvi to be indicative of a better player, that wasn’t showing in this game, and why argued that LSB was suspicious. All of these people argued for annul being suspicious, but they weren’t sure. A number of them tried to scumhunt annul, asking him to explain why he was acting up, trying to gather more evidence. That’s standard pro town play. LSB wasn't as concerned with if annul was actually just a stupid townie, but more with getting him lynched. He didn't need convincing. I'll go more into detail with that in part 2. In case you haven't realized, I've already analyzed Annul before, I know how he plays. Secondly, I will say it right now. I put the most comprehensive analysis on Annul, and without my constant badgering and pushing, annul probably wouldn't have died. In addition, you completely ignore my town play. My town play = find mafia and kill. There is a reason why I usually don't live to see day 2. Because mafia take me out early. Your attack is all WIFORM: You are saying "hey what if LSB was scum", well he would play that way. Only problem is it is a complete misrepresentation, my scum play and my town play are completely different, here is a link for how Incog describes it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=21#415 | ||
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On February 27 2011 19:04 Barundar wrote: Part 2: LSB’s bad logic and scumslips Hey guys, lets just use our lynch on Barundar, once he flips red, I'll be cleared. Ezpz. In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58, + Show Spoiler + Oops, 'scumslip' I said Barundar was read | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote: In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58, He just reads too much in individual posts. I know annul red, ezpz. I know Barundar is red. Lynch him and clear me. | ||
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On February 27 2011 19:08 Barundar wrote: It’s day 1, there is limited information to pick from. Didn’t stop you from providing “proof” of annul of course. What’s interesting is you didn’t find Jackal’s post scummy at all. Other people did, and Darmousseh found it reasoned enough to vote for it. I still don’t know if Jackal is town or not, but you seem to do. Only mafia know’s whos innocent and whos guilty. The rest of us only have our arguments and assumptions. Wtf are you talking about? Annul has already shot down plans and also has tunneled. What other proof do you need? There is far more than enough to convict him Now let me show you a contradiction: if Jackal is such an awesome scumhunter, why don’t you place him as such on your list? You place him as an easy bus, yet I can’t recall jackal actually being lynched except as mafia. On the one hand you argue Jackal is a great scumhunter, on the other you argue he is an easy bus. So which one is it? Jackal is an easy bus. Case in point, TL mafia XXXVII, Barundar the red scum, is trying to bus Jackal because of his first post apologizing that he will be busy. Why don't you do that to me? My first post is apologizing that I will be gone. Hmm... because I'm not an easy bus I completely agree. See this post. Good Good! Barundar's contradiction (again) On February 27 2011 19:04 Barundar wrote: LSB doesn’t need convincing of Foolishness either: This argument has no behaviour support at this point in the game. It’s an arbitrary reason for placing trust in someone, and it lacks that distrust of others that is indicative of town behaviour. So we can't speculate about role picks? Oh look what you did yourself On February 27 2011 01:43 Barundar wrote: At the same time it’s clear from the night hits that we have at least 1 experienced analysist on the scum team. The only really experienced players in the game are LSB and Foolishness. In fact, you did the exact same thing. You trusted Foolishness with Absolute no behavior support and accused me of being scum for doing the same | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:08 deconduo wrote: @LSB Thats not much of a defense. Go lynch Barundar and once he flips red that will be my defense. | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:47 Barundar wrote: Lynch Barundar, when he flips red it proves I'm green Fine with me. Everyone read this ^ | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:48 why wrote: @LSB What exactly is your argument again? As far as I can tell it is "he forced analysis on Jackal to shift the lynch from annul" and now "Barundar's case on me isn't that good". You seem awful sure for that to be your evidence. He was the one who tried to redirect the lynch from annul, and this is shown as he forced analysis on Jackal. I have a question: If Barundar is red, then why did he do analysis on Jackal rather than on icemac or gryff yesterday? Both of them had more heat on them and would have been an easier lynch than starting something on jackal. I've already explained why gryff is a harder lynch. As for iceman, well... it would be interesting if iceman was red. That could explain why annul was reluctant to lynch him. | ||
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On February 28 2011 03:42 chaoser wrote: Think he's talk about you kev. Also, LSB, shame on you. Your whole defense has been lynch him first! he's mafia! What's wrong with that? He's mafia. I seriously don't see why that's a problem, unless of course you want the town to lose. I'm not! when he flips red you'll see how I'm green. You claim all he's doing is WIFOM but you're doing the same by linking to old games. We can't trust "play style" analysis 100% since smart players will obviously change it up. Or not change it up. That's WIFOM too. So you agree with my response that his analysis is based on WIFOM. Respond to his individual points please, until you do my vote will be on you. He was willing to write a fucking essay; if he was mafia trying that hard, and you're really town, you would try just as hard. So far you're not and so you scumminess is getting higher for me. I'd like to quote this post On February 27 2011 03:46 LSB wrote: Imo jackal is an easier lynch candidate because his posts are borderline spam (but correct spam written with a gold pen), and gryf had mods telling people to lay off speculation on who his he. In addition, Bill Murray town play is exactly like how you described, a simple link to Haunted Mafia would have killed any serious bandwagon. I'm going to hold you accountable to this That was an accusation? This is what your points were. 1) Tried to find mafia from Annul's pre-written Goodbye post 2) Speculated that Rol must have ensured that foolishness and me are on different teams 3) Assume that Annul would let me bus him 4) Says that my scumdar was too good 5) Claim that not voting for Annul is a town tell. Do you seriously want me to respond to them? I apologize if this post was responded to. I seriously don't see why anyone thinks the "LSB is playing too well" reasoning means I'm mafia. | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:15 chaoser wrote: Yes, I think some of it is WIFOM. But the fact that he wrote a 3 post essay + the fact that you won't even consider the idea that maybe he is town makes me wary of you. Either way, the same can be said for you. If you get lynched, and you flip green, he will be suspect. He's town because he wrote a lot? | ||
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On February 28 2011 02:15 deconduo wrote: Flawed/bad argument. You claimed host wouldn't pick Foolishness as mafia. He claimed there was an experienced player due to the play, and that you and Foolishness were the 2 most experienced. Theres a big difference. There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote: Why does everyone ignore me... Happy now? :D | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:23 Barundar wrote: 1) annul lynch was a bus. He offered little resistance and the majority of the votes was only barely beceause they thought he was mafia. Of course annul's lynch was a bus at the end. I even agree to that. The reason why it was a bus was because I shot down all alternatives, and so the mafia couldn't bus anyone. You are making the flawed assumption that I was just another mafia on the bus. You are trying to figure out my actions based off what others were doing. That's a flawed form of reasoning. In addition, seriously, LSB bussing Annul? That sounds dumb. Think of it again. If it was DocH bussing LSB that sounds reasonable, but LSB bussing Annul is impossible. 2) You try to take more credit for the lynch than what is due. Your need for medic protection on yourself alone is anti town. Considering I've been shot night one of every single game where I didn't yell out for medic protection, me yelling for medic protection is perfectly reasonable 3) Your posts so far lacks scumhunting, there is no "if"'s or "but"''s regarding allignment and consist of bad to no reasons. A pattern you have repeated since votes started stacking on you. What do you mean? I posted lots of good analysis. Do I seriously need to link them for you? I'm sure your mafia. Why is to scummy to be sure that your mafia? Are you saying that stating my beliefs is a bad thing? 4) Your case on me is an OMGUS, that boils down to lynch me first for proof. There is no reasoning, only lynch, lynch lynch. My case on you is based on your forced analysis which is evident through your contradictions and flawed reasoning. Boom I wrote 3 extensive posts arguing for my case, so if you want clarification of those 4 points just read them. Bumatlarge had a nice point with the lists not saying anything of LSB's allignment that I didn't include. I've had more than 5 extensive post arguing my case and other things So if you want to make this a bottle collected game of "see who has lots of good posts", I win. | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:33 chaoser wrote: No, i think he's MORE town than you because after his essay your responses have been lacking. My vote right after his case against you was: 1) me thinking jesus...no way mafia did this (illogical yes, but still, i'm sure the idea that "this isn't mafia-like" crossed many people's minds.) 2) to pressure you to see how you would respond. You didn't respond well. To be truthful, the idea that both of you were green crossed my mind many times but after your recent responses...I dunno... Seriously, I'm really not liking what you are trying to pass as arguments. First you claim that Mafia work a lot less than town, and that Barundar posted a bunch of long posts makes him green. This is a silly argument that doesn't merit my response. Secondly, you claim that I'm not responding to Barundar well, without actually answering any of my responses. In case you haven't noticed, I still have not seen a critisim of my responses from you. You are making a case out of nothing. Thirdly you take a whishy washy position that looks good regardless of who gets lynched. This isn't a direct FOS, but I don't believe your intentions are so pure. | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:52 chaoser wrote: To me your case against his case against you is 1) His case is a lot of fluff that's WIFOM 2) One of the reasons he thinks I'm mafia is cause he doesn't think Foolishness is 3) He will flip red and I will be exonerated Is that correct? In correct. You take a few spammish posts and assume that that is my case. Say what? Try quoting these posts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=50#993 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=50#991 | ||
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On February 28 2011 04:42 LastArgument wrote: This post ranks players in three catagories. 1 being the “top players” 2 being ones who have experience or shown to have it 3 being people who have less experience than 2 4 being new players. However, if you start reading the post more carefully, you will realize it’s a post indicating how the mafia “should” hit people to avoid off the radar. Now, a mafia reading this post now knows how to properly divide hits to maximize the team from dying. It doesn’t directly say how we should be saving those people, or how to analyze them. (note: he makes a short post on “how to use this list” right after but essentially says its useless till day 4-5). That's a good thing. In case you haven't played TL Mafia XXXV, TL Mafia XXXIV, TL Mafia XXXIII. All those games were lost because mafia shot everyone in Priority two, leaving inactivity to win. What this list is trying to accomplish is a counter to the strategy. By pointing out priority two people, it makes it costly for the mafia to shoot them. If the Mafia starts choosing to not hit priority two people to stay off the radar. That is incredibly good for town, as it starves off an inactivity death. This list didn’t provide people who should be dt checked, it didn’t provide a list of who should be medic protected. It instead provided a long post that doesn’t help the town as much as it helps mafia. Why make a post as town that shows activity but barely helps the town at all? This could be a lack of experience on my part, but it surprises me this post was made without further detailing or breaking down of how the town can use the information aside from “bide and wait till people die to pin the reds” Medic protects priority 1/2. DT check Priority 3 and uncatagorized. There. In addition, I don't know if you didn't notice it, but right underneath the post was my reasons for why you should use the list http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=46#910 | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:15 Jackal58 wrote: We are aware of your willingness. What is your unwillingness to lynch gryffindor? He always plays like this, I'd rather have a DT check used on this. Case in point, Haunted Mafia. He tried to get people to claim to him, pretended a DT claimed to him when there was none, and then lied repeatedly, gotmodkilled and flipped town. | ||
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On February 28 2011 08:37 Barundar wrote: I have to go to bed now. Letting LSB misdirect the lynch is a bad idea, I'm willing to give myself up 1 for 1, his problem is he knows I will flip green. If you think I've played anti town, go back and read my posts. I raised suspecion against LSB, and he responded with an omgus. His arguments against my case was purely offensive. I'll just leave with my favorite quote of his: If your willing to vote for yourself, I'll me more than happy to go and lynch you. The problem is there are too many lynches and we have to narrow it down to force mafia to take positions on all issues. For example, you flip red. Well, that tells us a lot about 3 players in the game, but there are 20+ others that have barely even commented on the lynch besides taking a cursory stance. | ||
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On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote: To explain why I'm getting pissed off at this game, and why I posted this: First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem: Essentially he paints it as a difference in opinion instead of responding to any of my questions or hypothetical scenarios. I point it out and no one picks up on it. LSB reponds to Barundar's analysis of him with a hugely hugely bad and flawed argument. I'm the only one that picks up on it, and I point it out. LSB and everyone else ignores it and just continues on as if nothing happened: Finally, gryffindor lies, blackmails etc. I call him out on it. Not only does he not defend himself, everyone else just walks on by as if nothing happened: Maybe bright red might help. Gryffindor lied about me editing PMs and has not said anything more on the matter or defended himself on it. Also cute, saying I'm from the UK. It won't make me mad, it will just make me try my damned best to get you lynched. I feel ignored www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=50#991 | ||
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Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM Lets assume that LSB is scum That means foolishness is town Which means LSB is scum. | ||
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This is my response to your bolding of the blue portion. If I in anyway took something out of context or misrepresented your argument please explain what you were meaning when you bolded the blue portion | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:37 deconduo wrote: My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry Okay, so what major points have I ignored? And why is paying attention to his arguments a bad thing? | ||
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And you still ignore my posts where I explain the reasoning is perfectly rational. Your chasing a ghost that doesn't exist | ||
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1. I do not address the the main points of Barunder. This is completly false 2. I use false logic. This again is false. I've explained why you cannot just assume that between me and foolishness there is only one mafia, and I've still explained why he is indeed assuming foolishness is town. Both of these points you ignore and pretend don't exist Its not your being ignored, its you choosing to ignore my responses, because they completely disprove the misconseption you are perpetration. It seems like you are just poorly defending Barundar but trying to get some offense with it. | ||
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On March 01 2011 07:54 deconduo wrote: -1)Barun made no assumption on picks Hmmm... If you think so... -2)Barun did not assume Foolishness was town. Merely that at least one of you is mafia, Wait what??? No assumptions on pics? | ||
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On March 01 2011 09:03 deconduo wrote: Have you been ignoring EVERYTHING I POSTED? Barun assumed one of you were mafia because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Its come up about twenty times. How hard is it to drill this into your brain. It even came up in THAT POST! On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote: Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? Maybe because you didn't respond so I assumed we weren't talking about this silly point? | ||
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These players are proven scumhunters LSB Foolishness Priority 2: Active vets These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal seRapH chaoser LunarDestiny deconduo why Bumatlarge Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus Coagulation Jackal58 gryffindor ohN Uncatagorized: Newish people, sort them into the three groups as they start playing JBright Gofarman Conversion kevconsim Ser Aspi LastArgument | ||
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Possibly he checked Icemac night 1 and mafia framed Icemac On February 28 2011 08:50 Beneather wrote: I'm going to stick on the lynch I had on Day 1 and vote to lynch off Icemac. ##Vote: Icemac Or he was somewhat breadcrumbing Ser Apasi, but I don't believe this is serious. On February 25 2011 12:27 Beneather wrote: Ooooh, I think that we should lynch Ser Aspi next he tried pushing the lynch to Mr.Wiggles :O! What a huge step for town lmfao. :D | ||
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Am I reading it right, or is it all based on one PM? (And also how LD is a bit more inactive than usual?) | ||
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@LSB 1) why are you defending LD? The lynch sucks 3) I feel like you are fake-defending JBright to cover up your actual wanting to keep LD alive Again, I feel like its another "iceman" esq lynch. This time I don't even think he supported Annul. | ||
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4 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 2.5 KP. Which is a bit suspect, especially since 3 people died night one. A more standard setup would be 6 mafia, 1 of which is godfather 5 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 3 KP. Mafia would have used all their KP on hits night one, meaning if they roleblocked both me and Jackal, that means a vig should have hit. | ||
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On March 02 2011 11:53 Jackal58 wrote: JBright is town. kevconsim is scum. Don't even ask me to explain, analyze, prove. It is what it is. UNVOTE: LD VOTE: kevconsim Are you in contact with a DT or is this based off of analysis? | ||
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On March 02 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote: Seraph Here we have him doing some analysis, which is great. It's not detailed or ideal but it's at least an honest effort. Compare it to his analysis this game: Considering its against a lurker, which doesn't take too much effort, I think you're giving him too much effort The thing to take away from this post is his outspoken attitude. You can notice the same kinda posting style in the one above from mafia xxxv. He has a semi aggressive style. For instance, notice that he swears off and on and he's definitely showing he's pissed off. I haven't found any post he's made this game that has the same kinda attitude. (Note: I'm not saying that swearing implies mafia or that swearing means anything. What's important is there is a clear attitude change from his past games and this game. He does not have an outspoken stance this game compared to his last games.) Although I don't agree with analysis based off of tone and dictation, this does explain a lot about why he's been slipping under my radar. Voted for him | ||
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On March 03 2011 03:51 GMarshal wrote: Its day 3 and LSB isn't dead, this to me is incredibly suspicious, Why would mafia nightkill me? I'm the perfect lynch target for them. They lynch me and their like "oh oops" Speaking of which... usually I wouldn't go after a major player like him, but seeing what he flips will tell us alot about other peoples alignments, specifically chaoser, barundar and bumatlarge. Lets see what LSB flips, shall we? Lynching for information then? Interesting. | ||
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The reason why I claimed to be roleblocked is because it is standard practice for town to claim when they are roleblocked. In addition, I'm disappointed by the day 3 lynch. When we have very attractive scum such as SeRapH, instead people decide to 'vote for information'? Lynching for information is horrible. What useful information would you guys get when I flip green? | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:22 LunarDestiny wrote: If we were able to justify the case, I would like to fall back to voting Seraph. Those who pmed with Seraph, please claimed. You don't have to post the pms if you don't want to, but at least describe how much you interacted with Seraph. I didn't talk with Seraph, but Gmarshal did say he had a conversation with him. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/iTVAK.jpg) | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:25 Barundar wrote: Lol yeah there is those 2 reasons to vote LSB. Where have you been all day 2? Seems like a recurring theme suddenly! On March 03 2011 05:19 LSB wrote: Why would mafia nightkill me? I'm the perfect lynch target for them. They lynch me and their like "oh oops" Speaking of which... Lynching for information then? Interesting. I still think you're Scum Barundar | ||
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On March 03 2011 10:16 Jackal58 wrote: Town. Please stay active. Keep your eyes open. All we need now is Pandain to run in and quickly switch the lynch to someone random. | ||
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Priority 1: Automatic night 1 snipes if possible These players are proven scumhunters LSB Foolishness Priority 2: Active vets These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal chaoser LunarDestiny deconduo why Bumatlarge Ser Aspi- Strange fascination with Jbright, but I give him credit for doing detailed analysis Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus Coagulation Jackal58 gryffindor ohN- Lurking Hard JBright- He's a primary lynch target Conversion- Lurking hard kevconsim- He's a primary lynch target LastArgument- Lurking | ||
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Medics, please protect Me and Foolishness. Vigs, if you want, you should shoot Barundar. There isn't enough on Gmarshal to justify a kill. DTs, continue checking Priority 3 people | ||
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On March 03 2011 12:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I made a mistake Night 1 with the role PM's which made the mafia not realize that their KP rounds up. This cost them the ability to use a power. To compensate for that Night 2 I gave them an extra .5KP Wait what? Mafia Godfather = 1 KP, Mafia grunt = .5 KP. Can you please clarify what you mean by 'round up'? | ||
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That actually would make sense. 4 Grunts, and 1 Godfather. That is 5 mafia total, so 2.5 KP + the godfather KP, giving them 3.5 KP. They didn't use their power night one, so that means DT checks from night 1 are mostly reliable. By using 1+ roleblocks night two, we can soft confirm both me and Jackal | ||
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Balance wise there are 6 mafia total. 1 GF, and 5 grunts. 3.5 KP total We took out a grunt night one, leaving the mafia with 3 KP. Mafia only used 3 kills night one, meaning that DT/Cop checks are generally reliable. Mafia used 3 kills night two, meaning that the roleblocker claims are somewhat reliable and DT/Cop checks generally reliable. DT/COPs, please breadcrumb your results With 3.5 KP in the game, there probably is 2-3 medics, meaning we still have some protection. Now the troubling part. Assuming the mafia makes all three of the shots, the mafia will still be winning because they will compose of 4/15 or 26% of the players. This is compared to the initial setup of 6/30 or 20% of the players. | ||
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On March 03 2011 13:19 gryffindor wrote: ....................................... AND THIS IS FAIR? You just completely made me believe LSB or Jackal had to be scum because of that, yet you didn't clarify what you were doing before you did it? Half of my posts today have been influenced by that. This is terrible........... Translation: is it fair that you told the town that the mafia had 4 KP yesterday? Otherwise I wouldn't have fabricated a case that there was no vig. Say hello to mafia day 3 strategy! | ||
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On March 04 2011 02:45 CubEdIn wrote: Ok but why would mafia RB two people and kill three instead of killing four at this stage of the game. Am I missing something here? I don't think Rol would have allowed it. I think he just said that he would give them an 'extra' .5 action, rather than using an entire KP which is just mad and abusive | ||
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LastArgument. He sounds like a smurf to me, he obviously knows what he is doing and throwing around terminology a lot, something a 'new player' wouldn't be inclined to do. At the same time though, I don't agree with his analysis of LunarDestiny. | ||
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What's so hard about that? It's my dominate strategy I have no idea about a second vig, but hey, I didn't have any problem with shooting LA at the time so I did it. | ||
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On March 05 2011 07:42 CubEdIn wrote: I am confused, AGAIN. Why is this? If Seraph would have been modkilled, why would we vote for him? How does Seraph being red prove Jbright is town? I'm seriously asking, since a lot of people have been going on this already, and I fear I missed something. I'm pointing out how Seraph being modkilled means 1) Mafia could/would bus him easily 2) This does not necessarily mean that Jbright is town, Jbright is mafia. Regarding the vig hit: - why not claim sooner? - why not Barundar? I get that you called for another vig to hit him, buy why not do it yourself the day after you saw that nobody did. You were arguing with him, you called for vig, no vig shot him, you called for vig again, and decided to shoot someone else? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make much sense. Why did everyone shift focus off Kev? is it because he said "I am townie"? I wanted to see what people would do. I find it interesting that some people immediately think that mafia must have doublestacked. I've already explained why not Barundar. And I stuck something down on the bottom I don't think we should shift focus off of Kev, at the same time though, there isn't much in depth analysis on him. I'll take a look at him So, as long as there's no other vig, we can assume they're both town. The only think I really don't get is why did LSB choose LA when he wanted to off Barundar all this time? This is fishy, but I'd rather hear "I had my reasons" then "I didn't wanna stack". Please. How's this for you? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Barundar: So you call for a vigi hit on me despite saying you don't know if I'm scum. Explain the contradiction. | ||
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Btw, Gmarshal is red | ||
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1) you claimed green, and backtracked - a lie 2) you have been mudslinging on barundar, and said a vig should hit him - you're a "vig" - lie LOL. Claim vig before I make my shot? Do you really think I'm that stupid? And I never claimed green. Lucky for me, people just assumed I was green. | ||
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I don't understand why you guys are making these silly points -.- | ||
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![[image loading]](http://taxteaparty.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Bait_&_Switch_p1.17742206_std.jpg) Bait and Switch A new idea of a play Welcome to the bait and switch! By giving imperfect information to the mafia, we can tell a lot. Read why I did this before you yell out LAL The setup + Show Spoiler + What happened Night 3 LSB shoots Bum Doctor Protects LSB Mafia Shoots Foolishness and LSB People dead: LSB and Foolishness. What town thinks happened Night 3 LSB shoots LA Mafia shot Bum and Foolishness LA is Vet People dead: Bum and Foolishness. Keep in mind, mafia has a pretty good idea of what happened Night 3. The key difference is that the town thinks that LSB could be telling the truth about LA The Bait + Show Spoiler + We set up the switch like this. I’m in contact with LA. LA claims that he was hit last night. I then claim I hit him. Simple. Now the key point is that. LSB is the bait here. When town looks at this situation, naturally the townie would gravitate towards lynching LA. For example, check this out On March 05 2011 07:07 GMarshal wrote: Alright, so this either confirms you two or is a desperate scum gamble to survive, if we hung either of you the other would be confirmed, however the price of that confirmation is bringing us one day closer to lylo if you guys aren't a scumteam... So, people what are your thoughts on the topic? If we lynch LA we confirm LSB as town or scum depending on the flip, alternatively we could just ignore that and go after kevinconism/others as our lynch of the day and worry about LSB and LA tomorrow, hoping that a mafia hit would flip one of them for us. When GMarshal sees what happens, his first reaction is to lynch LA. This is because LA isn’t a great contributor, he is under suspcision, and the town wants to get rid of him. Having LSB claim is just another plus. Now, but what happens if LA is lynched? He flips green, and LSB looks good (Well assuming he is green, he could be red, but either way LSB is a better lynch for mafia) But if LSB is lynched, that’s a big plus for mafia. So the bait is there. Who would take the bait? The Switch + Show Spoiler + Chaoser On March 05 2011 07:10 chaoser wrote: Lynch LSB. If he's vigi then we have 100% confirmed in LA being a vet since I doubt medics protected him. If LSB is red then LA is red too. On March 05 2011 07:12 chaoser wrote: LSB, if you were vigi, why didn't you hit barundar yourself? You were calling for a hit on him? Chaoser immediately pushed the town to lynching LSB instead of LA. Instead of lynching LA to confirm LSB, he realizes this could be his chance to take out LSB, who's been confirmed three times over But wait? Didn’t he have this great post about why we should lynch LA? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=81#1604 (A gigantic post telling us why LA is supposedly mafia) Why would he suddenly abandon all thought of lynching LA. Lynching LA would do the same thing, confirm that LSB is telling the ‘truth’ Unless he was mafia and took the bait. Chaoser went for the fat juicy target and took it. Mafia Caught! ##Vote Chaoser Why I did this?/How does this work? + Show Spoiler + After observing Mafia XXXVI and playing as mafia in Diplomacy, I realized one thing. If your mafia, it’s really hard to play against your interests. In Diplomacy, the Mafia interest was to take out the Vig. And I did that, I moved and attacked Ace. It was important to the mafia that we did this or Ace would have killed me, losing a lot of votes. At the same time, I didn’t consider what a townie would have done. A townie would have let Ace confirm himself. Instead I tried to fabricate a reasoning for my interests. Now lets apply this to this game. The choice is between LSB and LA. Mafia interest is to take out LSB, especially since LA is probably inactive. So they go for it and fabricate a reasoning and try to get the town to go with it. But remember. This isn’t what a townie would have done. A townie would have lynched the inactive (who isn’t going to help them in lylo anyways), because if they were both red, who is lynched first doesn’t matter And I am very sure about Chaoser because of one big reason. He abandoned him lynch of LA. If he really thought LA was mafia, why would he abandon it? The only explanation is that he is mafia and took the bait LastArgument So is LA actually green? Well, I don’t know… yet… there is an easy way to tell if LA is green. And that will come day 4. Why I am Town? I shot Bumatalarge. My PMs with Barundar foreshadows this I took a hit last night. I killed Annul and Seraph. Chaoser is red. | ||
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On March 06 2011 07:49 chaoser wrote: If we lynch LA and he flips vet then it means nothing to town. It not an 100% confirmed, idiot. Mafia could have hit him and then mafia claims they were vigi hitting him. So mafia decided to hit Foolishness, Bum and also some random dude named LA? All to attempt to confirm LSB? I'm more inclined to believe that Annul is town. Oh wait, he flipped red. | ||
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On March 06 2011 07:54 chaoser wrote: There's no bait and there's no switch. It's perfectly logical for town to lynch vigi to confirm his target. It's been done in games before. If I wasn't so strapped for time right now, I'd go find all those games in the past and show you. Unless a medic protected a mafia, the person who got hit and then didn't die is going to be town. The issue is it's not a matter of Vig/Vet. It's a matter of Pro-Town Player who has lynched two mafia before and probably isn't going to die because he's medic protected 24/7. And a player who's been under suspicion and not really going to help the town. Taking out LSB in this case is a move that Mafia wants so badly that it will move in position and take it. That is the bait, and the switch is. We knew what we were doing all along. On March 06 2011 07:57 chaoser wrote: Or mafia stacked foolishness and hit Bum and then used the discrepancy in hits to tell this pretty little LA/LSB bullshit circle story. So your saying that the Mafia somehow convinced LA the vet to claim that he was hit? Your just grasping at straws. I admire the effort, but it's over | ||
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On March 06 2011 07:58 Barundar wrote: So, a simple question! Why would a medic protect you over Foolishness? In case you didn't realise, quite a few of us has been suspecious of you for some time. Foolishness on the other hand has been playing exempliary town. I call bullshit, right there. In case you haven't notice, I pushed and killed Annul night 1. A medic claimed to me night 1, and didn't die. And has protected, and will keep on protecting me every night. In case you haven't noticed. I've been picky about who I've pushed. By that I mean, I've pushed only reds (and icemac, a mistake). Not really mafia play. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:06 chaoser wrote: You're mafia, LA is mafia. There was no need to convince, both of you are on the same team. Your argument was that if LA is town, I am not confirmed. And now you admit that if LA flips town, I am confirmed. | ||
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CubEdIn has shown decisiveness the whole game. He has voted annul, and supported me Just because he isn't helping your mafia agenda doesn't mean anything. Btw, I think Barundar is scum. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:10 chaoser wrote: Don't twist my words please, I said both of you are mafia. I never said if LA flips town, you are confirmed. I would never say that because that is not the truth. LA flipping town doesn't tell us a damn thing about you. You flipping tells us a damn lot about LA. Wtf are you saying? Assume that I claimed I hit LA last night, and LA is vet. Please explain to me how LA flipped Vet means I could be mafia? | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote: Night 1 you say? assuming the poor sod is still alive though, you have no reason to kill him, you get to "suggest" who he protects, and look that way you don't have to double stack foolishness. or really worry about his protects. Jackal is in communication with the medic and he verifies that the medic receives a protection notice. What up? The lines are drawn. LSB/Jackal/Coagulation/Medic. Vrs GMarshal/Barundar/chaoser Please note The reason why there is so much resistance is the mafia knows that if Chaoser gets lynched they will lose. Once chaoser is lynched, day 4 we lynch Barundar. Boom 2 more mafia dead. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:16 Barundar wrote: Lolololol, I can post Skype conversations from the entire game with Chaoser for us discussing targets. Now you are really trying hard I could post AIM conversations from the entire game with BC discussing targets. Now you are really trying hard. Oh wait, I was mafia that game. I could post PMs with Doctor H from the game discussing targets. Oh wait, I was mafia that game. Posting PMs to try to prove your town does not work and is a common mafia tactic. | ||
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Sweet. So then why are all these townies supporting me? Well, I think it's because when they got their role Pm, it didn't start with "You are mafia your scumbuddies are Annul/Seraph/Chaoser" | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote: It doesn't mean you're mafia, but it also doesn't mean you're 100% confirmed townie. 90% sure but not 100%. Why is this a problem? Look at the game where I did my MS paint analysis of BC. He survived a full two days cause we all thought he was 90% town. We then lost the game due to lying and bluesniping. Why not 100%? Give me one solution. LA is Vet, and I get him to claim that he was hit when he wasn't. Again, you are falling for the bait. Instead of evaluating like a townie with "which one is better if we lose it", you evaluate it like a mafia. Which one is better for us to kill? Which one won't hurt us if he is a confirmed townie. In fact, it still shows because instead of trying to lynch LA. You still try to push me. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:21 GMarshal wrote: You know repetitively saying "you are scum!!!" is a rather poor argument. Umm... Considering you've stopped actually responding to my arguments, I don't see how you can take the 'high ground' | ||
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Pushed Annul Got Roleblocked Pushed Seraph (anyone switching from Seraph would have changed the lynch) Got shot last night | ||
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On March 06 2011 09:20 deconduo wrote: How did you come to the 'Lynch Chaoser' conclusion from this post. Whether or not the rest of it is true, you have a really annoying habit of making large leaps in logic and not explaining them. Read this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=86#1706 | ||
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On March 06 2011 09:41 deconduo wrote: LSB - 8 Barundar gryffindor deconduo why chaoser kevconsim GMarshal ohN All these voted for you. Why focus on chaoser? Read the analysis. The thing with Chaoser is he already wrote a long detailed analysis on LA. But at the same time, immediately abandoned it and took the bait. This is not townie play. This is mafia trying to kill the better player play. If he was townie, he'd actually believe his analysis of LA, and stuck with it instead of jumping | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:04 Barundar wrote: I distinctively remember Coag screaming DO NOT CLAIM TO LSB on Night 1. Why would he do that? Lie. ![[image loading]](http://whitemaleoppressor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/facepalm-face-palm-facepalm-demotivational-poster.jpg) | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:05 GMarshal wrote: If neither of them are scum and the scum team is just lurking and watching the slaughter I am going to laugh and laugh after the game. (After punching LSB for horrible play) Horrible play? Medic claims, townie claims, we give you a red. Yet you still want to lynch a (now 4 times) confirmed green? | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote: Explain why you would claim night 1, when it's EXACTLY what this game was supposed to be about not doing. I don't believe it. http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg | ||
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On March 06 2011 10:09 GMarshal wrote: And you want to kill a person I know isn't scum either. I refuse to kill chaoser to save LSB, thats the bottom line. Would you be willing to kill yourself? | ||
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Meapak admitted to Coag that LSB was mafia. If Mafia hit their own memebers, Meapak would have mad sure to note that mafia could hit themselves This is a MOD confirmation of LSB | ||
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On March 06 2011 12:27 Jackal58 wrote: If by worked like a charm you mean "Jackal put his dick on the line waiting for me to fucking do something" ya it worked like a charm.  Uhh, yeah ignore that part | ||
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Risks must be taken. Coag took a risk night 1. It was calculated. The chances of Annul letting himself be bused by LSB is virtually zero. Coag survived night 1. Risk paid off, he found a confirmed town, and then it paid off again night 3 and day 4 | ||
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Priority 2: Active vets These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active LSB Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal LunarDestiny deconduo why Ser Aspi Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus Coagulation Jackal58 gryffindor ohN- Lurking Hard Conversion kevconsim | ||
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(Didn't realize Conversion is dead) My 'confirmed town' reads LSB CubEdIn Ser Aspi Coagulation Jackal58 Barundar GMarshal LunarDestiny deconduo why gryffindor ohN kevconsim | ||
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Right now I'm concerned about setting up for lylo. I'd rather not have lylo be filled with people who don't care, so lets take a look at the inactives/scummy players right now. kevconsim/gryffindor/ohN Lets look at how they voted What it means to be on the wrong sides of a lynch + Show Spoiler + (day 1)= This means the person did not vote for Annul Day 1 (day 2)= The person did not vote for Seraph Day 3 (day 3)= The person did not vote for Chaoser Day 4 (unvoted)= bandwagoned a wrong side of the lynch Please note, although posting record is normally unreliable, it is an effective tool to root out lurking mafia. gryffindor- (unvoted day 1) (day 4) kevconsim- (unvoted day 3) (unvoted day 4) ohN- (day 1) (day 3) (day 4) Check this out, ohN was on the wrong side of the lynchs for all three days evaluated. In addition, he's been lurking a lot. Lurking mafia caught? | ||
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I don't care what you think Bus means. Here I call it, and the majority of players call it what I mean. We are not MS. There's no silly 'tells' we go by, weird acrynoms are generally frowned on, and gameplay here is a lot more fun. Oh yeah, I forgot about you soft defending annul day one. Thanks for pointing that out And I don't see why you are resorting to the 'I do more work than you so I am town" If I recall correctly, that was last used to defend Barunder. I swear chaoser was the one that said it | ||
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Who's up for a mass claim to either Me or Coagulation? In addition, are we lynching Lunardestiny for any reason besides he's inactive | ||
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Why? Because he's not the Godfather. Who do you expect to be the Godfather? Do you believe Annul would have let me be the Godfather? I don't. Don't try metaing the godfather. Its impossible If you think that the mafia is dumb enough to place an entire KP on someone who would be an obvious gf choice, you must not have been playing with the right people. If I was mafia this game, I'd hide the KP with a lurker. Someone like oHN or kevcousin. Lurkers usually don't get killed after day 1. The only potential 'godfather' in you perception os Cubed1n, but I fhinj its a horrible idea to start lynching active members when we need to prepare for lylo. Btw, called it, you still think I am mafia. | ||
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On March 08 2011 01:33 Jackal58 wrote: No I don't. And he was pissed you got it. If you go back to day 1 and read all of Annul's posts it looks like he was pissed about it. Chaoser, GMarshall, Seraph and you all received an FoS from him during the day. We now know how 2 of those have gone. Plus his claim to idiocy that he'll explain at the end of the game plus his 1 down 4 to go comment. I think he was telling the truth. Wasn't he? Annul bussed the entire scum team because you're godfather. So you guys had to bus him. Fucking amazing. Good point. I'll look into it. | ||
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Revisiting Annul ![[image loading]](http://www.rebirthstudios.com/articles/images/revisit-logo.gif){kind=logo} At this point, I can safely say that Annul was an organized Mafia bus. This post gives it away On February 25 2011 11:57 annul wrote: okay. well. time is nearly up and four votes wont be switching in the next three minutes. here is what i have to say: "i am fucking retarded." when the game is over i will explain what i mean by this. it's almost certainly not what you will think it means a few days from now. grats, i guess, to the town. you got lucky, since i play this precise way every single time i am town as well. oh well. you'll see it in mafia 38, i guess. and i knew LSB would try to lynch me day 1 this game, which made me sad when i actually saw i was a red  1 down 4 to go! Before the game started, annul knew he was going to die. So he makes the best of it. And now, I explain my thinking. My Harry Potter Mafia experience. Cube can attest to this + Show Spoiler [Harry Potter Mafia] + I was mafia in Harry Potter, however I got the role of Severus Snape. As many of you know, Severus Snape turned out to be a traitor, so as soon as I claimed my name, the mafia suspected that I was doing something funny and was talking about using one of their hits on me. So I made the best of it. I ran up, made a scummy plan to be mayor, and have everyone on the mafia team bus me. Now the important part. My analysis. My analysis was on a few people. Namely Adanai and Nemesis Adanai I used day 1 to redirect the lynch onto, a poor helpless townie. But Nemesis and every single other one of my reads were completely accurate. I accused them. And when I flipped red, they looked good for a while. This is natural when a mafia knows that he will die very soon. He's going to try to help his teammates as much as possible, and this is by trying to bus them so they will look good. There's more evidence of this First, look at the people that Annul Suspected day 1 Gmarshal Seraph Chaoser Gryff Look at the people Annul defended Day 1 Icemac Mr. Wiggles LSB- Said he thought I was town See a common theme here? Well we don't know anything about Gmarshal and Gryff, but 2/4 flipped mafia. Now, you say. But LSB, what if he was trying to redirect the lynch? Look at him for a second. At the point of time he already had 11 votes on him. He was dead. Mafia were already busing him. He knew he couldn't redirect the lynch. The only reason I was able to redirect the lynch in Harry Potter Mafia was because the lynch was decided by the Mayor, not the town. I believe between Gmarshal and Gryffindor, at least one is scum. Keeping with my theme of preparing for lylo, I'll look at Gryff, who's probably not going to help that much. + Show Spoiler [Annul's posts on Gryffindor] + On February 23 2011 12:51 annul wrote: nobody in this game should trust gryffindor whatsoever. i read orgah and i have NO IDEA how he didnt die like 5 days before he did also, he's a smurf and if you read this forum you should already know who he is ;\ On February 25 2011 04:56 annul wrote: look at gryffindor's reasoning conveniently posted in the voting thread and not the main thread: On February 25 2011 05:18 annul wrote: read the actual game thread, not the voting thread. note my first vote was on chaoser, and note at the same time, i have been calling out GM ALL GAME. i realized GM was better than chaoser, so i switched. at no point did i "wagon" up on him. i have always been the voice against him. if anything, YOU have wagoned onto the annul wagon. On February 25 2011 10:32 annul wrote: alright, i guess it is time to make my move. i don't like iceman as a lynch, and to be honest i would really rather it be GM (even still). but that won't happen, and i need to save my ass. there seems to be a wiggles and a gryffindor wagon forming, and of these, i'll go with what i think is most likely to roll instead of me. ##unvoteaa ##vote gryffindor Annul is given three people to wagon. Wiggles/Gryffindor/GM. He chooses Gryff. In fact, it looks like they stage a quick confrontation. Gryff gets incredibly angry very quickly. Although not uncharacteristic, if he did it to everyone, he'd get banned again. To me it seems like annul/gryff are paying too much attention to each other. Because they are scum. Gryff has been an extreamly anti-town player. I don't think I have to explain why. In addition. He obviously is not the medic. I don't think anyone bought into that. | ||
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On March 09 2011 10:45 LunarDestiny wrote: Avoid them modkill. Pretty much deadweight at this point. Supah lurker, what's up? | ||
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On March 09 2011 11:50 gryffindor wrote: He then tries to lynch me, as opposed to me being nightkilled, but I guess noone believed me. With Chaoser on the scum team, no one will ever be shooting you -.- | ||
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What was your opinion on Jbright? | ||
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PL BM EZPZ | ||
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On March 09 2011 11:54 gryffindor wrote: I felt he was an easy mislynch. You thought he was town then? (After seraph flipped red?) | ||
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On March 09 2011 11:57 gryffindor wrote: LSB, you have claimed as many roles as I have, and I am not bad mannered. You are the one being bad mannered here, and a much bigger policy lynch than me. Even Foolishness said something similar to "LSB isn't that good" in PM to me. I've claimed 1 role and one role only. Vig. And yes, I do regret shooting Bum. Now that I look back, there are much better people to shoot. Even Bill Murray said something similar to "It is sort of embarrassing how bad I really am at playing town." to me. | ||
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On March 09 2011 11:59 gryffindor wrote: also, I am really a vigilante, and I am going to kill you tonight LSB, because you are going to ruin LYLO if I don't hammering me hope you enjoy that Rol would never give you KP. And you would have shot sooner anyways. I call your bluff | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote: I gave you guys the godfather and you let him talk you out of it. Jesus Fuckink Christ. Of course oHN is scum. Jesus Fucking Christ. You just gave this fucker credibility. Jesus Fucking Christ. I see it this way. 1) oHN is scum- We have more than enough lynches to kill BM. We lynch BM tomorrow 2) oHN is town- Now that was a fast bandwagon off of BM. We lynch BM tomorrow. NBD. There is a few things that could change my mind, I'll make sure note it later. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:05 gryffindor wrote: ok, i'm going to quit trolling and gloating about not being lynched sorry, RoL, I'm just extremely happy and I enjoy getting under LSB's skin! ? You give yourself too much credit | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok people, voting is closed so you are wondering where the night post is. Unfourtunately I am on my phone and have been unable to contact RoL. You have two options. You can wait for three hours for me to get home and write the post. Or you can have me add the votes up now and trust my count which will be made by hand so I can't guarantee it's perfection. If you choose to wait the three hours I will grant an extension to the night. I'll do a vote count for you then. | ||
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On March 09 2011 12:21 Jackal58 wrote: Moamar Ghadafi claims his people love him. Carlos the Jackel does too, but I think the only people who love him are the gloating French police. | ||
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CubEdIn Ser Aspi Coagulation Jackal58 GMarshal LunarDestiny deconduo why kevconsim Assuming Barundar is green. That leaves us at 10 People. LYLO tomorrow. | ||
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He was put on 'probation' and allowed to play a few games on a probation period. I believe this is RoL/Meapak saying that Bill Murray violated probation and blew his second chance. | ||
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On March 09 2011 13:12 Coagulation wrote: Well at least mafia enjoyed that. I think it does save us a lynch though. It does shed some light on GMarshal's day 1 actions. Day 1 GMarshal was pushing pretty hard for the Gryff lynch, and shying away from Seraph and Annul. | ||
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On March 09 2011 13:16 GMarshal wrote: I said in the thread that I thought gryff was town, albeit annoying, where did I "push" for a gryff lynch? It's a lost cause, Bill Murray was banned from the mafia forum for a reason, and like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I'll set it up Original Message From GMarshal: Sure! I'll rely on you guys to keep me from going berserk on Gryffindor Hide nested quote - Original Message From LSB: Wana circle up with Mr. Wiggles? Original Message From GMarshal: Ok, that seems workable to me, thanks Original Message From LSB: Lets say we have oceanic who's does nothing but is like "hey guys I'm busy, Vote Oceanic" This time, instead of tolerating him, we yell at him to ask to replace himself out for the sake of the town. As for town reads, I'm still working on it. Original Message From GMarshal: Thank you for being a player with some level of common sense, I'm curious as to how you propose we make inactives modkill themselves. Also do you have any reads on anyone other than annul? thanks for your time GMarshal You suggested you wanted to go Bezerk on Gryff | ||
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In an endgame situation, starving off inactive is very important, so I wouldn't discourage talking. | ||
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It is 4v3. LSB Jackal58 CubEdIn deconduo GMarshal kevconsim why The mafia right now has 2 KP. We need to take out the godfather in order to win | ||
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The best bet for godfather is Cubedin. He has been siding against the town a lot so he looks good. But at the same time hasn't taken many risks. Indicative of Godfather play. I would encourage the town to keep talk on who the godfather is between Cubedin/LD. | ||
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On March 10 2011 20:56 CubEdIn wrote: LSB, you were mod in XXXVI, you saw me as godfather, and you think this is how I played? I mean, would I kill Ser Aspi after he posted that I should die? Considering Ser Aspi posted it with <30 minutes left in the night, and he would go after you regardless of whether you posted or not, yes I believe you would do that. Whatever, I'll tell you right now that I won't bother arguing much about it, you can go over the posts yourselves and make up your own mind. You're basically lynching me because of JBright, which is a vote I gave before I went to sleep and then people kinda moved over to Seraph. I voted for Annul and Chaoser. If I were mafia I'd have switched to Seraph since he died anyway. I'm not lynching you over JBright, I'm voting for you because you voted for Annul and Chaoser. Between you and Lunar Destiny, you seem to have been on the right side quiet of few times. I'm led to believe this is because you control one of the mafia KP. The reason how we know this is because you are really trying to stand out and do your best to seem pro town. | ||
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On March 11 2011 07:17 deconduo wrote: ##Vote: LunarDestiny Reasons explained yesterday, he's the best lynch at this point. Yes, but do you think he is the godfather? | ||
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LSB Jackal58 CubEdIn deconduo GMarshal kevconsim why LunarDestiny However, it is Far Better if we hunt the godfather ASAP. If we take out the godfather, that is another person alive for the town tomorrow. | ||
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And I'm happy with GSL 5 right now. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Insane mafia 2 hype | ||
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lol. Anyways, I'll use 2999 on this. I would like to congratulate Gmarshal. You have redeemed yourself. You are pro. Thank you soo much for winning this! I would like to apologize on the townies I stepped on. This game I just focused on getting people lynched. Guns forward, barrels blazing. And as for bait and switch, click the spoiler if you want to know what it was all about. + Show Spoiler + BC contacted me and said he was LastArgument and that Foolishness and Ser Apasi turned on him. So I decide that BC could claim a hit, and I would say that I hit him. Didn't go as well as I planned, so I was thinking of just letting the town lynch me. Jackal then starts running in yelling that I'm lying, so I was like. Okay, I got to pull together some BS and sell it to the town. And what do you know. It worked. (It wasn't completely BS, it was based off an idea I had with Coagulation about using it to bait some mafia. I then added the switch to get the lynch off of me) And I would like to thank the host RoL, for "rnging" a completely imbalanced town and mafia. Seriously, mafia was 100% full of vets, but the town had the older vets. And I'd like to thank Ver/Foolishness for playing with us. BC doesn't count. | ||
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On March 15 2011 12:32 kitaman27 wrote: If that was 2999, then where did 3000 go? I smell a conspiracy! :o Ohh, you'll see it in a few weeks. | ||
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On March 15 2011 11:40 kevconsim wrote: You dont want to congratulate me? I CONTROLLED THIS WHOLE GAME Btw, sorry for lying to you in PMs. I was hopeing you were mafia so you would have role reversed coagulation. But hey, you won lylo, Kevcousin Pown!!! Same thing for why. Sorry for trying to goad you into suspecting random people! | ||
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