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On January 25 2011 08:26 Nemesis wrote:We stilil have plenty of time to change votes. Woot, looks like RoL is now seriously running  RoL for mayor everyone! And I seriously don't want to have kavdragon for mayor. He is pushing for a scummy plan right from the beginning with the bodyguard volunteering. It has already been covered by multiple people why that is a bad idea. Even if only 4 people volunteered, that still narrows down the list of blues. And there is still the same chance of picking mafia as before(mafia can just volunteer). There is no advantage to town whatsover to volunteering bodyguard.
Well theres a few scenarios
1. Mayor is townie or blue. Volunteers are both townies, mafia hits bodyguards and then hits mayor. Pro: Get 3 days of information Cons: lost 3 townies, no information on mafia
2. Mayor is townie or blue. Volunteers are both scum. Mafia hits bodyguards, we get 2 mafia right away. Mafia doesn't hit bodyguards, in like 4-5 days we role check the bodyguards. Any case, mafia lose both bodyguards.
3. Mayor is scum. Volunteers are both townies. Mafia kills bodyguards. Mafia doesn't do anything, mayor eventually lynched. If mafia doesn't kill bodyguards, then highly likely mayor is scum.
4. Mayor is scum, volunteers are scum. (Do scum bodyguards protect scum mayor?). Scum gets tons of information.
Scenario 4 is obviously the best scenario for scum, but the fact that kavdragon is suggesting volunteers means that he will either 1. Choose the volunteers himself (which is an indication of scum) or 2. let the town choose the volunteers based on voting in the thread.
In either case, if kavdragon was scum, then he would want to hand pick his bodyguards (and hide the fact that he was hand picking).
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On January 25 2011 09:11 d3_crescentia wrote:
I'd vote for RoL if he didn't seem so lazy. Some good insight on the mayor role.
I don't have a strong opinion of Kavdragon just yet, as his playstyle generally looks town.
For the most part we need to ignore clues and focus on the people themselves.
@darmousseh all those situations lead into a bunch of WIFOM. I'll be watching you for better posts.
Sorry, my first game, what is WIFOM?
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On January 25 2011 10:55 SiNiquity wrote:Also, in addition to what's already been posted regarding OriginalName: Show nested quote +Clue Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? Show nested quote +Profile What do Tigers Dream of when they take their little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling Zebras or Halle Berry in a Catwomen suit? The black cat ~ Catwoman / Halle Berry connection was already drawn, but in addition there's the bats. Bats. Batman.
haha wow, good catch on that part. Very obvious now i think.
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On January 25 2011 12:03 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 11:20 Node wrote:
As LSB said, there are clues in the Day 1 post. I obviously can't say where they are now, but they will take the more "traditional" format DrH mentioned in future days. Has anyone considered the fact that the hosts are being really ambiguous about the day 1 clue(s)? On all other days it says that there will be clues leading to the killer of the person, but what if the first day was different...Why are they being non-committal towards the first day?
Maybe they will give more information on the next day. From what it sounds like though, and the black text everywhere, my thoughts are he is a SK.
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On January 25 2011 16:45 BrownBear wrote:
RoL has the better plan for the mayorship IMO. However, Kav has been more far more active than RoL.
Makes this tough. I wish we had more than 2 serious candidates.
I think part of it too is that so much rides on the mayoral candidate. They are the key to getting important information and a centerpiece to persuading townies to look at certain facts and viewpoints.
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On January 25 2011 23:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Perhaps this is a stupid question to ask, but why does the mayor need to be the one with the plan? He's already been given the power of census, and the protection of the bodyguards, why give him the reigns as well?
The biggest reason I can think of is that the mayor is given protection, so you want an active and helpful townie. But that doesn't mean that they have to become some god who's word is law or anything. The power of who is lynched, what the town plans are, and all of that should be in the town's hands. If the mayor doesn't have good enough , or isn't vocal enough, then why listen to him?
Like RoL said, don't put all your hope in one person. Don't let one person decide what's going to happen. This discourages activity, and makes it easy for the mistakes of one person to decide the game. Everyone should be vocal in what they think should be done. No one should rely on another person to make their decisions for them.
Well, the mayor gets the most information out of all the town aligned players and therefore any plan relies on having that census information which only the mayor has access to. Also he is the only known player with a specific role. Of course by default, the mayor needs to be align checked right away to make sure we aren't getting mis-information. If the mayor is a townie though, then he is arguably the most powerful townie.
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Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards.
Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles.
Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets.
Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no.
I think this one is the best.
upside. Vets are tough to kill, and can be protected if necessary, mayor can live a long time. Anyone that claims to be a vet and ends up not being a vet as a bodyguard would be instantly identified as scum. Scum will probably have 1 person claim vet, in which case we can use role checks to check out the identities. Also, in the end, if vets aren't used to soak up kills, then they are wasted. By volunteering for bodyguards we can almost ensure that their abilities are used for the benefit of town. Also if we get lucky and get 2 vets then the mayor can be alive for almost the entire game if played correctly. The other thing too is that we would be less likely to lynch a vet since they will be selected as bodyguards and not in the pool of people we would want to lynch.
downside. Reds can claim and mess it up, but they will be identified more quickly and it will be more of a risk since that will mean 2 reds lynched and 2 vets still in town.
I'm still trying to think of the risk of an SK getting chosen to be a bodyguard.
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On January 26 2011 05:36 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 05:29 darmousseh wrote:
Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards.
Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles.
Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets.
Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no.
I think this one is the best. upside. Vets are tough to kill, and can be protected if necessary, mayor can live a long time. Anyone that claims to be a vet and ends up not being a vet as a bodyguard would be instantly identified as scum. Scum will probably have 1 person claim vet, in which case we can use role checks to check out the identities. Also, in the end, if vets aren't used to soak up kills, then they are wasted. By volunteering for bodyguards we can almost ensure that their abilities are used for the benefit of town. Also if we get lucky and get 2 vets then the mayor can be alive for almost the entire game if played correctly. The other thing too is that we would be less likely to lynch a vet since they will be selected as bodyguards and not in the pool of people we would want to lynch. downside. Reds can claim and mess it up, but they will be identified more quickly and it will be more of a risk since that will mean 2 reds lynched and 2 vets still in town. I'm still trying to think of the risk of an SK getting chosen to be a bodyguard. I'd have to agree with this. Just one thing though: we don't know the Mafia KPs. This is important because: a) If mafia has only 2KPs to start with, they probably won't risk hitting the Vets. This is because with one medic on them, 2KPs will not kill one person, and a night with no deaths is sad for the mafia. This will make them mow down townies until get bored (knowing that a vet is likely not among them), and then handle the vets when needed. b) If mafia have 3KPs or more, then they can easily land 2 on a vet (and if medic protted, then at least they get one life off), and one on someone else. OR, they can just go 3 on a vet and kill him right there. Actually, the 1-town 1-mafia is not so bad because we would lose mayor and kill a red. And after the first night we will know total number of reds so that helps a lot imo. But having the vets revealed, kind-of defeats the purpose of being a vet IMO.
Well, what is the purpose of being a vet? To hope that you get randomly targeted by the mafia? or to soak up kills?
Maybe a compromise would be 1 vet, 1 green.
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I don't think the sks have any motivation to be bodyguards then. I still think having at least 1 vet is good for bodyguard
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This whole mayoral situation is really really important due to the amount of information and power the mayor has, even if it's only for a day or 2. I can't decide between either candidate and will be voting for myself although kav seems like he knows what he is doing.
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On January 26 2011 12:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yo darmousseh what up with the last minute switch?
I couldn't decide between the two candidates.
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So, it's night time now. Is there anything to do for town other than trying to break down inconsistencies in what people are saying and try to identify them as scum?
@kav your analysis seemed good, he is making a ton of confusing posts.
Without any clues it's kinda boring right now.
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On January 27 2011 02:36 Impervious wrote:
Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues.....
Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong?
I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something.
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On January 27 2011 02:49 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 02:36 Impervious wrote:
Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues.....
Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong? I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something.
haha messed up on the bolding. black. I really need to start previewing all of my posts all of the time.
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On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 09:04 kitaman27 wrote:On January 26 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Considering there is a better chance of him being red, I guess I will. Though RoL should be more vocal. Alright RoL TIME TO WIN YOU TOWNIE. Just curious, what indicated to you that Kavdragon was more likely scum than RoL. And since that was the case, why would you wait for someone suggesting RoL rather than voting him in the first place. Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from.
I think it's time to move on past the kavdragon, ROL, bum mayor and election stuff. There simply isn't enough information to reveal anything except that bum changes his mind faster than a girl, says a few semi-contradictory like many girls and reacts emotionally to kavs accusations just like a girl.
Conclusion: Bum is a female, or an alien, or drunk. 
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On January 27 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm already hung.
Working on clues.
I thought more than 2 would die.
If original name was an SK and there were only 2 to start then that would mean
1 SK kill
1 mafia kill
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On January 27 2011 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +RoL's Profile
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference. Show nested quote +Every city has its dark place, the area that no one in their right mind will go. Ours is the forest, the woods that loom in the center. Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there, and certainly no one would venture there in the night.
But tonight, the forest stirs. Its solitude is intruded upon. First thing that comes to mind points to RoL. Murder scene could be the road less traveled.
I quickly glanced through all of the of the profiles and the only hint i could find was in RoL's profile
Does it dry up
which would correspond to the story
He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet
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Also
From story
Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed
From RoL's profile
And then run?
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Wow that was a great pickup on the anime stuff. I think I'm going to investigate more into RoL.
Otherwise
FoSNemesis.
investigating RoL.
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Oh just found something else on RoL
From his profile
I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.
From the theme song
You can’t hide
Also the fact that he was running away.
I still think there has to be something with the noises and sounds stuff in the post though. Investigating that next.
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