TL Mafia XXXVI

On January 21 2011 09:06 LSB wrote:
If you're town.
Do your own thinking.

To find mafia think like a mafia. Ask yourself how would mafia act? (Directing lynches onto town, not committing to point, forcing analysis on townies). Don't ask yourself how mafia would sound like. Just because someone is annoying you doesn't mean they are mafia.

And don't do anything stupid.

And read this! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180405

If you're mafia.
Well, I suck at being mafia (0-3 baby! woot woot!), so I'd probably your team for advice if you do end up being mafia.

But basically, blend in. And don't do anything stupid

On January 21 2011 09:41 LunarDestiny wrote:
You forgot to ask on advice of being Serial Killer (hurr durr PickYourPower).

On January 24 2011 04:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so I have not decided who to vote for, as there seem to not be any candidates besides the Kavdragon Party, and the Not Kavdragon Party. I would like to hear more from potential candidates on:

1. How they will choose bodyguards.
2. How they will use the power of census
3. How they will use and release the information census gives them.

Here are my thoughts on the matter:

1. Trying to pick scum. There is, in all reality, not very high chances of getting more than one scum, if any at all. By the time mayor will have to pick bodyguards, he will not be sure enough to reliably be able to pick scum, as there will be limited information available, and I foresee some part of the mafia team lying low for the first day/night. Also, while it would be advantageous if the mayor picked gf/roleblocker as one of his bodyguards, I almost feel it would not be to the towns advantage if he picked only one vanilla mafia. This means that mafia could kill the first bodyguard, then trade one of their team members for the powerful mayor role, as well as whatever other role the mayor may have. I'm not sure what the optimal solution here is, as picking scum allows us to get scum kills easily, but also gives mafia a lot of control over the mayor's life. RNG-ing bodyguards wouldn't be optimal either, as there would be a higher chance of hitting blues. I almost feel that mayoral candidates should threaten to recruit lurkers (not inactives going to be modkilled), as that would force them to begin posting a bit more. This could cause scum to slip up, and the mayor could go from there on who to choose, scum, lurker, vanilla townie.

2. The census is a powerful... power. I think the mayor should listen to suggestions by town on how to use the power, but the decision should not be based solely off what town says. Unless town comes to an independent majority, the final decision should rest on the mayor. What I mean by this, is that it may be very easy, with however many mafia in the game, to start some sort of bandwagon on what to census. This could give mafia a lot of control over the census, if we simply went off town votes for census use. The difference would be if confirmed townies later on started the push for certain census takes, or if a majority of town came up with the idea in parallel, not with one person leading the charge. Otherwise, I think it should be up to the mayor to do what he thinks is best for town.

3. This is a tricky part. When taking the census of mafia roles, the mayor should definitely release said information to the town, as mafia already knows their own role counts. However, I think information on blue roles should be kept confidential until some sort of town circle is established, and then only carefully released to them. If the mayor wants to release information about blues to the town, it should be something like "Yes, there are detectives", so that town can at least be assured, unlike TL Mafia XXXV, where the assumption of medics, mad hatters, and detectives made town rely on things that didn't exist. However, I'm not sure if Mayor should release if there are none of a certain role in the game, as this helps mafia as much as town. Also, once some sort of communication has been established between the mayor and others, the mayor could try to trick mafia by releasing fake census numbers, to fool roleblockers. I'm not sure how effective this is, as I've never seen a mayor played yet.

In the case of a mafia mayor:

1. The mafia mayor would ideally want to pick town roles, if mafia plans on killing them. This is incredibly easy for the mayor to do, as he only need pick people not on his own team. However, the mayor could also pick teammates as bodyguards, particularly the godfather, to avoid DT checks. Then the mafia could just let the mayor be, if that were not too suspicious, for a while, to keep the power of census.

2. The mafia mayor isn't very useful for town when it comes to the census. He will have to give out some information on mafia numbers for the first few nights, though these can easily be faked. This means that the mayor can check the numbers of roles like DTs and Medics, and then release fake mafia numbers to the public.

3. The mafia mayor will release fake numbers into the thread. He can say whatever number of mafia he wants, so long as it is within the realm of possibility, as we do not know the Mafia KP formula. This also means that he can fake mafia death. Tell us there are, say 7 mafia one night, then after a lynch say there are 6. Frame a dead townie, easy, right? It also doesn't matter very much to the mafia mayor to release blue or even green numbers to the public. Mafia will already know this information, so its release can be used to appease town.

A mafia mayor looks to be very bad for town, and so I believe the mayor should be kept under constant scrutiny, and should be very active in voicing his opinions on different matters, so that the public can continue to analyze him to verify his integrity.

Those are my views mayoral candidates, now what are yours? Explain them to me in full, with good logic, and I may consider giving you my vote. And if you liked my views, vote for Mr. Wiggles, he's a bear.

Signed, Mr. Wiggles.

On January 24 2011 05:26 LunarDestiny wrote:

How can mayor not let other people know who accept or decline? No PM in this game.

On January 25 2011 01:39 darmousseh wrote:
Who should be volunteering as bodyguards? Those with blue abilities or just normal townies?

On January 25 2011 01:58 BrownBear wrote:
I'm comfortable with RoL for the time being... at least, more comfortable than I am with anyone else except Dr H, and he's thrown support behind RoL.

It's no offense to Kav or kitaman, I just don't know their playstyles as well.





Nobody should be volunteering yet, I don't think volunteering is a good strategy. If we volunteer greens, it lowers the number of people in the pool of potential blues, so mafia can easily bluesnipe. If we volunteer blues, it's basically saying "HEY MAFIA FREE BLUES GO GO GO"

Blues' greatest asset is their anonymity and the ability to hide amongst the greens, and we want to preserve that as long as possible.

On January 25 2011 02:52 BrownBear wrote:
I highly recommend everyone set up a spreadsheet now, with the following:

Each player in the game
What role they've soft/hardclaimed (includes mayor/bodyguard)
Profile picture
Public Profile
Quote/Signature
Random notes about them
Links to important posts theyve made. (i.e. contradictions, good analysis, etc.)

If you start cataloguing this now, it gets a lot easier, and it really helps you analyze people later in the game. Also, it's a good habit to get into, for any mafia game, if you want to improve. You WILL catch shit you might have missed otherwise.

On January 25 2011 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:


You killed him, didn't you?

On January 25 2011 07:39 LunarDestiny wrote:
The reason is mod don't write super random stuff like "my god" in Italian for no reason.

It is most likely to be a clue pointing at a killer.

"Dulce et decorum est pro Aiur mori" -Zealot