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Kavdragon
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The stereo is the first thing that really sticks out at me. Also, the fact that it's playing "Spoon" an indi rock group, is important I think. Off the top of my head, I remember that Node says that he likes indi music in his profile, so he's my first suspect. A quick glance at the artists that he listens to on Last FM confirms that he has indeed been listening to Spoon. Hmm. Suspicious. Anyone else have thoughts on this? | ||
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Kavdragon
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Err. That's an example of what we are suppose to do, I believe. I do NOT believe that the clue would be pointing to Node however, because he's dead. Not the killer. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 11:19 LunarDestiny wrote: I thought the bolding of the text is suspicious, so I did some googling of "black black black." http://www.blackblackandblack.com/ Are they basing the game on this site? Just a small glimpse of the site. Practice Areas - Overview At the law offices of Black, Black, and Black, our lawyers our extensively trained and focused on four practices areas of law including personal injury, criminal, family, and medical malpractice. Medical malpractice seemed to be the theme of this game. Any opinion? Bolding of the words seems like it's too obvious, but that's just my opinion. (Since you asked.) | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 11:24 ilovejonn wrote: The clues must be something in those italic sentences... hmm. The italic sentances are the lyrics to a song by Spoon. Presumably, it's just text discribing the music that's playing in the background. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 11:33 Nemesis wrote: You say that there are clues in the day post, but it does not point to any current mafia, so what does it point to then? Alright, it's time to get some activity going in here. What do you guys think about lynching inactives in the first day? Although, there is only a slim chance of us catching mafia, it would encourage people to post more and the more that mafia post, the greater the chance that they will slip up. Lynching inactives is a tactic to start a discussion. I don't think that we will need to do this, because we will have clues to look at, and a mayor to elect. That should be starter enough to get the information we need to lynch scum. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 11:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Qatol? His profile mention using gun is stupid and using duct tape is smart. His profile pic is very black... I missed that. I think you're right. That makes sense. "Guns make you stupid. Better to fight your wars with duct tape. Duct tape makes you smart." In reference to those who think this an impossible task because of the large pool of candidates, Do you really think that the host didn't think of that? I mean, if they want this to work, the'll pick a person who we might look at. I'm going to guess that they are a mafia player, and that they are a somebody within TL Mafia. Since we have a few of the bigger names in this game, it shouldn't be too hard to look through the rest of them. | ||
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Kavdragon
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Good citizens of Liquidia! I present to you my campaign for Mayor of this fine town filled with wonderful people! Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this forum a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on this great posting-field, TL Mafia, in honor of previous games. I have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a mostly final resting-place for those who here were active that that their game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayor-ship of the active, by the active, for the active shall not perish from the thread. But now we must move onward. With the memory of these invaluable players emblazoned in our minds, who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to serve a thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be silenced! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that in all likelihood will likely be quickly forgotten, but awesome none the less! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV! Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the lol worthy pictures I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote for a completely different occasion, but which I'm still shamelessly trying to use to further my campaign! + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsements] + On August 9 1974 11:63 VER wrote: Kav's the One. Kav for mayor. On January 20 1961 11:63 Node wrote: I Like Kav. Vote for Kav. On January 22 2011 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm Meapak_Ziphh and I approve this message. On January 22 2011 11:26 SiNiquity wrote: I'm SiNiquity and I approve this message. On January 21 2011 08:42 LSB wrote: KAV 4 MAYOR! I'll make you a mspaint poster!!!! + Show Spoiler [Pictorial Endorsements] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rYprY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uPQtV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xP1gN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xk6JX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CzzTt.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Music] + Vote for Victory! Vote for Kav! + Show Spoiler + (PS, i might be an invincible Vigilante, that can protect anyone, and check two people for their role per night. It'd suck to pass up that awesome role in the mayor seat.) Первым человеком, решить мою головоломка в этой кампании будет получить мое восхищение. --отец КавДракона | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 12:25 OriginalName wrote: We have 72 hours to figure out a lynch basically although i doubt anything really productive will occur night 0. Also for the newbie why are people typing /confirm The only reason we might not be able to get something done is because of people taking this attitude. We have an extended day, let's not waste it. Also, the clue will be a good way for us to figure out who is good at solving them, and consequently who might be a good mayor... | ||
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Kavdragon
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Unless something serious comes up, I will follow town majority voting on what to do. I agree that the mayorship should be transparent. (For instance, if the majority thinks I should check Mafia total first night, then I'll do that. If they think I should check town, then I'll do that. I will reveal all information that the mafia would already know, (Like mafia counts), but I reserve judgment on giving out information on greens, and will likely not say anything about blue counts. My opinion on the bodyguards: If I were mayor, I would try to pick mafia as my body guards. This would protect me more than anything else, as my death (Before theirs) would be an obvious tell that they are scum. I will NOT pick players who are showing a high level of activity. If the are mafia, then they will likely slip up. If they are town, I'd hate to paint a target on them. This is subject to change, if someone can convince me. | ||
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Kavdragon
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Would I chose Lurkers, or other candidates? I can't honestly say I know yet. If Dr.H, RoL, You, and say, Amber[light] ran, then I don't think I would. They are potentially HUGE assets to the town, so I'd hate to give the mafia such obvious targets. However, I do like the idea of using this as a method of discouraging mafia to run. Thinking off the top of my head, Lurkers would be an OK choice, as it would discourage mafia from lurking, and if I picked a townie, then they are effectively a body guard for me, and other actives. If i had to chose today, I would pick someone who fits RoL's profile for mafia: Not a total inactive, not a really active, someone who is at or just above lurking status. (Note, that was what he said OUT of game, so I trust it to be sincere. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 12:30 Jackal58 wrote: Solve the clue and I'll consider giving you my vote. I'm working on it. On January 23 2011 11:19 Kavdragon wrote: Right, so the Clue is a way for us to figure out how they work. Let it begin. The stereo is the first thing that really sticks out at me. Also, the fact that it's playing "Spoon" an indi rock group, is important I think. Off the top of my head, I remember that Node says that he likes indi music in his profile, so he's my first suspect. A quick glance at the artists that he listens to on Last FM confirms that he has indeed been listening to Spoon. Hmm. Suspicious. Anyone else have thoughts on this? On January 23 2011 11:20 Kavdragon wrote: EBWDP Err. That's an example of what we are suppose to do, I believe. I do NOT believe that the clue would be pointing to Node however, because he's dead. Not the killer. LD pointed out Qatol, and there are some things that match up, but not very many. Qatol remains my main suspect, but I don't expect it to stay that way. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 13:31 LunarDestiny wrote: More reasons why I think it's Qatol: -Mod say this practice. It must be practice that involves looking at people's profiles and checking for clues. -It is traditional in TL mafia to choose veteran players for the opening post. I checked all veteran players and only Qatol had anything in his profile that somehow relates to the given clues. -I restrict my search within the mafia forum. So other potential people (kennigit, chill, day9, idra, combat-ex aka BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD, etc) were not checked. Same here. I've been going through every major player I can think of and looking through the profiles. It's not all that hard because most have nothing to see, but as my search broadens, Qatol looks more and more likely. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 23 2011 16:25 kitaman27 wrote: I would like to announce my intention to run for Mayor on behalf of the Kavdragon sucks Party! Do not allow yourselves to be deceived by his well thought out posts and eagerness to lead the town to victory. I promise a campaign that delivers straight facts, rather than the propaganda spewing machine he has created. FACT: Kavdragon was mafia in Pokemafia. kitaman27 has never been mafia. FACT: Kavdragon has never correctly landed a vig hit. kitaman27 has never missed a vig hit* *while not being role blocked FACT: First is the worst. Second is the best. Third is the one with the treasure chest. Now allow me to uncover some shocking revelations: Using pro-town technology, I was able to uncover an additional hidden arrow. You heard it here first folks, kavdragon is a mod-confirmed scum. For those too lazy to translate here is what that means: I'm pretty sure I've seen similar symbols in a Call of Duty game in COMMUNIST RUSSIA! That's right, Kavdragon is a COMMUNIST. And what color do communists love? Red. What color is scum? Red. What color is the communist scum Kavdragon? Red + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsements] + On August 9 1974 11:63 VER wrote: Kav's the One. Kav for mayor. On January 20 1961 11:63 Node wrote: I Like Kav. Vote for Kav. On January 22 2011 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm Meapak_Ziphh and I approve this message. On January 22 2011 11:26 SiNiquity wrote: I'm SiNiquity and I approve this message. On January 21 2011 08:42 LSB wrote: KAV 4 MAYOR! I'll make you a mspaint poster!!!! Hey look, he was even kind enough to provide the entire scum team! As mayor, these would be my first 5 targets. In addition, as I predict to be the number one scum target as mayor, I nominate Kavdragon as my bodyguard to soak up all the bullets aimed in my direction. Has anyone noticed he never indicated which side would be victorious? How convenient. Let me fix that for you. Ok, so there are some blatant lies, and misleading statements here: 1) Using pro-town technology, I was able to uncover an additional hidden arrow. You heard it here first folks, kavdragon is a mod-confirmed scum. Hey! You just copy and pasted that arrow from a picture take during Pokemafia! It's true that my amazing transformation into a AWESOME MAFIA KILLING DRAGON OF DOOM takes a few games, that picture was simply taken a couple games too early. 2) Kavdragon has never correctly landed a vig hit. Arguably my role in Merc Mafia could be considred a "vig" role. So I have hit someone. 3) lolz this town is full of noobs. Unless a brave, handsome individual comes forth to oppose me, this game is already over. Brb, going to kill some puppies. -Kavdragon You mistranslated that last line, it should be: "Brb, going to go kill some kittens. --Father Kavdragon" + Show Spoiler + Not true. I love kittens. Please don't hurt me flamewheel. On January 23 2011 18:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: also why does everyone keep talking about Qatol? Hes not even in the game o.O? Do we really want a mayor who can't keep up? Is this the kind of question we want our mayor to ask? | ||
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Kavdragon
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Kavdragon
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Firstly, I strongly agree that mayoral candidates should be extremely active at least till the election is over. This will help discourage mafia from running, and help root out those that do. To that end, I will try to be as active as i can, giving my views and opinions openly to be analysed. Please note that due to the nature of this some of the ideas I bring up may not be that polished, and I apologize if I make a mistake here or there. Despite this, I believe that it will be clear through my posting that I am indeed town. Bodyguard selection: People have been saying that there are three possibilities for selection. This is only partially true. The bodyguards selection will have three possibilities as far as alignment goes, but role-wise, there are better possibilities than even two mafia. Here are my opinions on each setup: 2 Mafia BG's: This would be a great pick, but the blind chances are going to be around 5% that i pick TWO mafia. The pick is NOT blind, but any way to put it, the chances aren't good. As such this is not a realistic option. Even if I did manage to land one mafia, that would leave me with 1T/1M BG's, which is by far the worst set up. This is a no go. 1 Mafia, 1 Town BG: This is the worst setup, and is likely what would happen if we tried to choose two mafia. As has been stated, this would essentially mean that the mafia could trade one of their own, for me. Bad trade for the town. 2 Town: This is not the best outcome, but it's the best thing that i think we can realistically realize. It would be much easier to choose two town BG's, than two mafia, and I think that we run a much lower risk of a 1/1 BG split. As such, I think that this is what we should try for. How we try for it is another thing. Assuming that we get two townies in, the safest possible outcome for the mayor is two Vets. I'm going to put my safety first for the purposes of this argument, and assume that the mayorship is worth two Vets. So how might we go about getting vets into the BG position? This is where I start to get worried, because mafia can actually start getting involved. One idea that I'm currently entertaining is asking for volunteers, like Mr. Wiggles was saying. As CubEdIn pointed out, people are usually obey the universal rule of self-preservation. I think that Vet's are an exception to this rule, as they are supposed to be out there, vocal, taking hits. Even if normal townies sign up, I doubt that the mafia would risk wasting KP early in the game. I'd like to hear more discussion on how to get two townies in the position, as I believe that it is definitely the best course of action regarding Bodyguards. I'd also like to hear what people think about the Vet's being in that position. Census In a game stripped of so much information, I think that the information gained by this is extremely valuable, even if it should not be relied on. The first check would go to finding the number of Mafia. After that, I would decide what to do based of of what happened during the day. For instance, while I agree with Kita that checking Mafia constantly would be nice for getting information out of lynches, I think that we can squeeze more information out of it. Knowing that someone is mafia only helps if they are connected to someone else. As such I would only check mafia consecutively if the lynch target had a convincing connection to someone else. After checking the mafia, my priority would be flexible, but would l would likely check the number of blues next, and here's why: Once we know the number of mafia, the there are three groups of people left to check: Blue, Green, and Black. Black will be a small number, say 1 or 2. If we know the number of blues, we know the number of Greens, plus or minus one. (This would also work in reverse, if I checked the greens, but the number of blues gives a bigger hint at the number of black, so I think that checking blues will squeeze the largest amount of information out of the check.) Another advantage to checking blues, is that it deprives the the mafia from gaining any extra information, as I would not make that knowledge public. Other notes: We haven't discussed SK's being mayor, or BG's yet, and let's face it, the chances are slim that they would make it into a position like that. But the last thing I want to do is forget about them. Will there be a clue pointing to mafia in the first day post? | ||
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Kavdragon
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I realized right after I posted that, that knowing whether a person is mafia or not is more valuable, as we will know that the clue-trail that lead to them is cold. Oh well, I don't think it makes a huge difference. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 24 2011 07:41 kitaman27 wrote: I would gladly trade myself for a mafia. The census is nice and all, but eliminating a scum would surely be worth the loss. The problem is that the mafia are always connected to each other. They know each others identities and will attempt to manipulate the town into saving one of their own. The ability to interpret lynch results should not be sacrificed in order to receive novelty information. Yes, trading a townie for a mafia is a good trade, but I think that the mayor was given an informational power that should not so carelessly be thrown away. I do not agree that trading any one person would be worth it however. For instance, if there was a DT in the mayor seat, i think that it would be worth one mafia. (Note, this is NOT a claim, so please don't hound me as if it were.) Also, I'd check the number of mafia first. If the number is odd, then the number of KP shown the next night will tell us if we were right or not. It would be a waste to use the Mayor's power to double check this. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 24 2011 08:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: It almost seems like it would help scum more than town to know the number of blues still alive. If I'm wrong, could someone tell me how knowing blue numbers helps town? It would also be good to check mafia a couple of times, because if the number changes and their kp changes at the same time, then we'll be able to figure out their KP formula and won't need to census them anymore as we'll know the #ofmafia +/- 1. The number of blues will can help the town because we will have a rough idea what we are up against. We can assume that the game is balanced, so if there are a bajillion blue roles, we know that tons of claims, and lots of mafia are likely. The information would NOT be made public, and might not even be given to the masons. The general rule for mafia KP = Mafia/2 (rounded up). The host decided not to reveal this information, so it's possible that it will change, but we will get a rough idea based off the first check of mafia numbers, and the number of night KP shown. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 24 2011 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: Once you find a single mafia, you are much more likely to find others. Since there are clues, the dt becomes even less relied on. I still believe any person, regardless of role, would be worth the trade. If a mafia and SK hit overlaps than it would appear as if we had decreased the kp, when in reality we did not. As a result, the next lynch would be based upon false assumptions. I don't think that it would be a waste. Fair points. I think that a medic might still be worth it, but whatever. I agree that the mayor is not a god that must be saved at all cost. However I think that it's worth something, and selecting a mafia bodyguard is not a guaranteed mafia find. As far as mafia/sk stacked hits, I can't think of a counter argument offhand, but the point that I was trying to make is that I would be flexible with my census choosing. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 24 2011 09:08 BrownBear wrote: Should we have veterans claim and be used as bodyguards? + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2011 07:27 Kavdragon wrote: So how might we go about getting vets into the BG position? This is where I start to get worried, because mafia can actually start getting involved. One idea that I'm currently entertaining is asking for volunteers, like Mr. Wiggles was saying. As CubEdIn pointed out, people are usually obey the universal rule of self-preservation. I think that Vet's are an exception to this rule, as they are supposed to be out there, vocal, taking hits. Even if normal townies sign up, I doubt that the mafia would risk wasting KP early in the game. I'd like to hear more discussion on how to get two townies in the position, as I believe that it is definitely the best course of action regarding Bodyguards. I'd also like to hear what people think about the Vet's being in that position. | ||
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