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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 18:56 GMT
#131
##Vote: Shockeyy
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 20:38 GMT
#140
I'm going to say I don't like Pandain's butterfly flirting around the issue. He isn't actually committing to any position, besides lets not lynch shockeyy.

How about we lynch shockeyy and see what Pandain thinks????
:D!
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 20:39 GMT
#141
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#148
On January 22 2011 06:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 05:39 LSB wrote:
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Go ahead and lynch me so you can get no information what so ever, now you're really being stupid and playing horribly. Either way, still at work, then I have school tonight, so I won't be able to post till like 10pm Eastern.

If I did my time zone conversion correctly, that means that you won't be appearing until an hour after the day is finished.

In addition, the shockeyy lynch has never been about information. (Then again a side benefit if Shockeyy is red, Pandain is red). It's about clearing away the inactive players day one so we can get some good work done later


On January 22 2011 06:12 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!


Aside from not posting much, I don't know how I feel about shockeyy. i'm going to stick to my vote on pandain. Why go for someone he supports when you can just go for the main target. His jumping around on votes really makes me suspicious.

Is it suspicious or is it another attempt by Pandain to try to promote activity day 1? If I remember correctly, he did this back in another game, just 'pressuring people'. By pressuring I mean what he is doing now.

On January 22 2011 07:58 Hesmyrr wrote:
      Pandain
Ah, yes. "his disastrous attack on me" =/ See my prior post for response. What I want to discuss is the thing I found worth noting.

While I can see why he would vote me for pressure purposes, this is just poorly supported. I mean really poorly supported. Check the third quote by me he writes about, I will go into detail there. Okay, I realized that thing about "huge scum tell" could have come from me writing "hugely anti-town (thus a scumtell)" which can be read wrongly I guess. But the thing is how the hell could he believe that my previous post was about inactivity being huge scum tell when LSB's post I was replying to was basically arguing why lynching inactive is a good thing. His line of attack on me just felt really unnecessarily forced.

Discussing the setup is supposedly a mafia tell in Mafiascum Wiki, but it does not apply to TL mafia. Discussing the setup here is a null tell, generally townie, as the mafia here don't feel its necessary to do anything. However, discussing the setup can be used to augment an argument about not taking any positions.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 22 2011 15:41 GMT
#195
On January 22 2011 13:25 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
The only thing worrying me about LSB's lynch is that barundar just suddenly changed from "I'ma do two analysis on shockkey, he's mafia", to "shockkey is just the easy lynch, let's vote lsb."

I changed vote because there was noone defending Shockeyy. A bunch of people came out to post suddenly when the pressure lifted. I'm glad we avoided a tie, but there was a bunch of lurkers that suddenly popped up when the lynch wasn't already settled.

Mafia was way too happy letting Shockeyy die.

Lets look at the last few votes

On January 22 2011 11:51 Pandain wrote:
##Unvote Shockkey
##Vote LSB


Yeah shockkey isn't mafia. If you really think mafia have decided to just let us have a free kill on day 1 with NO resistance, that's a bit of a silly willy thought.

Posts LSB has made just have made me suspicious of him.
Show nested quote +
(Then again a side benefit if Shockeyy is red, Pandain is red)

He knows better than to think "if X defends Y, and y is mafia, X is definitely red"
Show nested quote +
2. I'd kill both. I've explained above in a different post.
But order of
Mafia Lurker>Inactive>Lurker

Hasn't shown shockkey to be mafia lurker
Show nested quote +
Indeed, saying things without actually contributing is a great way to find a mafia. An inactive may actually help, but a lurker just repeats nothing.

HEAVILY contradicts what he's been saying this whole time. Especially the above post for instance, and several others.

Looks familiar? Yeah, he's been throwing FOS on everyone. Which is very interesting, since once you accuse everyone, you basically accusing no one at all.

On January 22 2011 12:16 Barundar wrote:
To be honest I agree. LSB voted for Shockeyy as an indirect FoS on Pandain, which seems like false logic to me. Shockeyy would be the perfect easy target for mafia, and LSB seems to have tried to bandwagon him without letting Shockeyy defend himself. Lastly it seems like noone has stepped forward to defend Shockeyy, except Pandain...

##Vote LSB

Interesting. The key issue is that I voted for Shockeyy for another reason, he wasn't going to be very active or useful anyways. Indeed look at what he did. Pull up a tally of votes, and throw around OMGUS.

The point is, Barundar suddenly forgets this and says that this means Shockeyy is an easy target for the mafia. + Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote:
Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.

##Vote Shockeyy

I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...
. In fact, he also advocated this chain of reasoning and now suddenly turns with no indication.


On January 22 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote:
I'm also worried about this lynch out of nowhere. I'm going to vote for the person that I feel made the least convincing defense, which is ShocCeyy. I also dislike his 'Kill me and you'll see!' defense.

##Vote ShocCeyy

Doesn't really offer an analysis of Shockeyy's post, just a small reason to seem like he is contributing.

On January 22 2011 12:59 Pandain wrote:
Fadoodle
##Unvote LSB
##Vote Shockkey

Doesn't even bother to give a reason

On January 22 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
#VOTE SHOCKEY

Well... not much reasoning behind this. But Chaoser did suspect Pandain.


Hesmyrr then votes, but he knows that his vote is useless.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 22 2011 15:41 GMT
#196
Btw, do you guys actually want me to answer Pandain's post?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 22 2011 15:46 GMT
#197
As per what BC suggested, lets start working on Night Actions.

We should keep the Medic Protect List as small as possible, maybe 2-3 people so the mafia won't be tempted to shoot inside it.
On the other hand, the DT check list can be pretty large. But it should be used as a way that people can make FOS

Medic Protect List
Hesmyrr- He has no real suspicion on him, making him an attractive target

DT Check Lists
Pandain
Barunder- weird vote switching
GGQ
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 23 2011 02:11 GMT
#208
On January 23 2011 07:56 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 06:16 Barundar wrote:
Regarding my vote switch, lack of activity around the day 2 key for a late switch onto annul in mafia xxxv. The sudden activity when LSB was actually pressured makes me regret it didn’t get through.

We spend a whole day discussing inactives, without getting any better candidates than Shockeyy. In my opinion we needed to make something happen, and hope for a mafia reaction. I picked LSB over Gmarshal beceause of his reasons for voting Shockeyy:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2011 03:55 LSB wrote:
I'm going to support the Shockkey lynch because

1) Indirect FoS on Pandain.
Pandain has detracted from his initial posts on activity back in XXXV, one possible explanation could be that Pandain is on a scum team with an inactive, shockeyy.

[…]


On January 22 2011 05:38 LSB wrote:
I'm going to say I don't like Pandain's butterfly flirting around the issue. He isn't actually committing to any position, besides lets not lynch shockeyy.

How about we lynch shockeyy and see what Pandain thinks????
:D!

It struck me as suspicious that he would vote Shockeyy, while suspecting Pandain. Firstly, the connection was too flimsy to be of real value, Shockeyy had simply used some of Pandain’s arguments, while Pandain had stated his opinion on Shockeyy. Secondly a mislynch could easily be explained as just a way of testing Pandain.

Add to this that my initial analysis of Pandain is town. His playstyle resembles that from my last game with him, plenty of finger pointing and last minute vote switches, while trying to lead the town. All that’s missing is a fake claim. While it’s a moot point, I don’t see a reason for a mafia to draw attention to himself like that.

Lastly I have had to /out of mafia xxxvi due to time constraints, but I'm doing my best to be active in this.

I concur with your analysis of Pandain. His play is almost identical to XXXV. An almost paranoid rush to change the vote in the last few minutes. I don't understand it but it is the same behavior. If I were on at the end of day yesterday I would have switched my vote to force a tie just to see if his head exploded.

Firstly, that behavior is decidedly anti town. Rushing off into a lynch that isn't thought out is a bad way to play and a great way to kill a lot of greens

Secondly, it isn't unique to his town behavior. He does this every game, regardless of being mafia or town. The thing is, he's not to careful as mafia, and spends time defending scumbuddies.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 23 2011 03:37 GMT
#211
On January 23 2011 12:19 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 11:11 LSB wrote:
On January 23 2011 07:56 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 23 2011 06:16 Barundar wrote:
Regarding my vote switch, lack of activity around the day 2 key for a late switch onto annul in mafia xxxv. The sudden activity when LSB was actually pressured makes me regret it didn’t get through.

We spend a whole day discussing inactives, without getting any better candidates than Shockeyy. In my opinion we needed to make something happen, and hope for a mafia reaction. I picked LSB over Gmarshal beceause of his reasons for voting Shockeyy:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2011 03:55 LSB wrote:
I'm going to support the Shockkey lynch because

1) Indirect FoS on Pandain.
Pandain has detracted from his initial posts on activity back in XXXV, one possible explanation could be that Pandain is on a scum team with an inactive, shockeyy.

[…]


On January 22 2011 05:38 LSB wrote:
I'm going to say I don't like Pandain's butterfly flirting around the issue. He isn't actually committing to any position, besides lets not lynch shockeyy.

How about we lynch shockeyy and see what Pandain thinks????
:D!

It struck me as suspicious that he would vote Shockeyy, while suspecting Pandain. Firstly, the connection was too flimsy to be of real value, Shockeyy had simply used some of Pandain’s arguments, while Pandain had stated his opinion on Shockeyy. Secondly a mislynch could easily be explained as just a way of testing Pandain.

Add to this that my initial analysis of Pandain is town. His playstyle resembles that from my last game with him, plenty of finger pointing and last minute vote switches, while trying to lead the town. All that’s missing is a fake claim. While it’s a moot point, I don’t see a reason for a mafia to draw attention to himself like that.

Lastly I have had to /out of mafia xxxvi due to time constraints, but I'm doing my best to be active in this.

I concur with your analysis of Pandain. His play is almost identical to XXXV. An almost paranoid rush to change the vote in the last few minutes. I don't understand it but it is the same behavior. If I were on at the end of day yesterday I would have switched my vote to force a tie just to see if his head exploded.

Firstly, that behavior is decidedly anti town. Rushing off into a lynch that isn't thought out is a bad way to play and a great way to kill a lot of greens

Secondly, it isn't unique to his town behavior. He does this every game, regardless of being mafia or town. The thing is, he's not to careful as mafia, and spends time defending scumbuddies.

It was a joke. I'm slowly getting a feel for the way various people approach this game. Pandains approach is akin to chicken little.

Wow I fail at sarcasm, kicks self for skimming
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 23 2011 04:02 GMT
#216
lol
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 18:09:51
January 25 2011 18:02 GMT
#361
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 18:10:01
January 25 2011 18:03 GMT
#362
gogo team!
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 18:10:27
January 25 2011 18:03 GMT
#363
epic fail. LSB must remind himself that even with the 'preview function', he is probably forgetting something when trying to start a new topic. Please ignore these few posts.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 26 2011 03:43 GMT
#421
I claim responsibility for the Mafia loss
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 26 2011 03:49 GMT
#424
Technically I did everything I could to help you this game.

I generated pointless day 1 discussion that helped barunder hide (I now figured out something else I want to talk about that isn't pointless)
And then I defended Nemesis day 1.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 26 2011 03:53 GMT
#428
On January 26 2011 12:50 GMarshal wrote:
LSB if you hadn't gotten killed that night we might have hung you day 2, as I thought you were being pretty suspicious.

Pah, I'm (kingof) impossible to hang!
I probably would have bused Nemesis if I did survive. Half of the reason why I defended Nemesis was because I hoped that he was mafia, and by defending him I could survive another night.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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