Well, maybe you CAN include only a sane cop in a newbie game, but you need to state in the OP that framers/millers may be in the setup as well.
You can't explicitly say that the DT is sane and there are no Framers/Millers.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 13 2012 08:32 GMT

#1803

framers are easy enough to understand, idk if millers are good for newbies though

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

April 13 2012 08:36 GMT

#1804

I think all newbie games should include Balrog, the Assassinating Survivor, and should also include Yugi Moto from now on.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 13 2012 08:38 GMT

#1805

And sleeper cells?

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

April 13 2012 08:55 GMT

#1806

Yes, there´s not much Scum can do once the check is done, but if they bluehunt then they can kill the DT first. The DT has to survive the night, checking the right one doesn´t help if he dies immediately, and then either claim or risk breadcrumbing. If he does check scum immediately, then the problem isn´t that the roles are too powerfull, but either luck or skill on the part of the DT. Scum need something to counter a Medic+Cop combo, but I think a roleblocker is better than a framer for that.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

April 13 2012 09:06 GMT

#1807

Well, just by sheer probabilities it's more likely that a DT checks a scum on N1 than scum kill the DT on N1; so it's probable the DT will be alive on D2 with a scum check. And in that case scum can do nothing to counter act it (if everybody knows there isn't a miller/framer).

Forumite

Sweden3280 Posts

April 13 2012 09:43 GMT

#1808

On April 13 2012 18:06 gonzaw wrote:
Well, just by sheer probabilities it's more likely that a DT checks a scum on N1 than scum kill the DT on N1; so it's probable the DT will be alive on D2 with a scum check. And in that case scum can do nothing to counter act it (if everybody knows there isn't a miller/framer).

Scum have less targets since they allready know the alignment of their team, while the DT only knows who he is. Also while there are few DTs, other powerroles, like Medics, are just as tempting targets, and there are usually more blues than scum. It´s more likely that scum shoots a blue than the DT check a scum the first night.

With millers or framers it´s easier to argue yourself out of a lynch, without them it´s more important to get a correct blueread/scumread before even using your nightaction, and this goes the same for scum and DTs. Less arguing, more reads.

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

April 13 2012 13:41 GMT

#1809

Shit now that LI prematurely finished, I have no games to sign up for.

Pre-emptive /in for LIII lol

Sbrubbles

Brazil5776 Posts

April 13 2012 14:00 GMT

#1810

I think newbie games with cop/miller/gf or cop/framer are fine, though I do think games where the mafia has to counterclaim or preemptively claim cop are very interesting. I'm a bit against putting in red herrings, though (have a framer when there is no cop).

slOosh

3291 Posts

April 13 2012 15:40 GMT

#1811

Red herrings are good because it forces people to play the game inside the game rather than using outside game mechanics to play the game. Like, 1 goon 1 godfather 7 VT setup has mafia either play snipe the blue or snipe discussion leaders. If they know what threats are not there, then it makes them play to the optimal style (rather than having them choose).

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

April 13 2012 16:36 GMT

#1812

This isn't really the place for this discussion. Take it to one of the misc threads please.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

April 13 2012 20:26 GMT

#1813

Newbie Mini Mafia IX is full and starting tomorrow.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

April 13 2012 20:30 GMT

#1814

LIII will be posted tomorrow at some point

Gossemerr

United States195 Posts

April 14 2012 00:45 GMT

#1815

No games to sign up for

(

Bluelightz

Indonesia2463 Posts

April 14 2012 01:11 GMT

#1816

On April 14 2012 09:45 Gossemerr wrote:
No games to sign up for

(

one more day for LIII atleast :p

Radfield

Canada2720 Posts

April 14 2012 14:08 GMT

#1817

GMarshal will be posting the next newbie game shortly as well.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

April 14 2012 15:02 GMT

#1818

next normal, invite game: Bang Bang Mafia 2

I'll also probably change it from the original BB Mafia to make it a Nightless game with deadlines, Day/Night with deadlines, or Day/Night with first kill ends the day like the original. Really depends on the Town PRs that I put in.

Bluelightz

Indonesia2463 Posts

April 14 2012 15:49 GMT

#1819

On April 15 2012 00:02 Ace wrote:
next normal, invite game: Bang Bang Mafia 2

I'll also probably change it from the original BB Mafia to make it a Nightless game with deadlines, Day/Night with deadlines, or Day/Night with first kill ends the day like the original. Really depends on the Town PRs that I put in.

Ace, PLEASE make it end even more faster then the last one ><