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On December 01 2010 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill. I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi. 13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger. Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen. Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth. The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck.
I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up.
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On December 01 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:oh god i missed quite a lot, i am also very sad you guys switched to darth  oh well, i went 6-0 in my badminton tournament if anybody cares, brb gonna read more carefully
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On December 01 2010 11:32 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill. I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi. 13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger. Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen. Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth. The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck. I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up.
Well, the only reason I feel like I can trust him at this point is that the only blue that died on Night 1 was deconduo, and he blew up a mafia in the process. The other two KP were wasted on townies.
What I AM afraid of, however, is that Dr.H knows this, and is biding his time to screw everyone over when more people claim to him. I feel that Doc may be town though.
A mass claim probably wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Since I trust Doc at this point, he could catch any false claims. Anyone who would then refuse to claim would be heavily scrutinized. This would only work if Dr.H is confident that he can weed out the fakes from the reals. I support the idea of a mass claim.
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Well if Dr.H is lying, then we've got two Mafia members: him and his medic. We've enough reason to trust him completely though.
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I really like the idea of a mass claim-- but I think it should wait until we have someone who's 99% sure to be town. DrH has only his actions going for him, but he knows that as well as we do. Mass claiming to a mafia would, as far as I can tell, lose the game for us immediately.
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I'm going to say this.
If the real medic is out there but still won't claim to me for some BS reason:
protect youngminii
that's all I can say safely
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On December 01 2010 11:56 Eiii wrote:
I really like the idea of a mass claim-- but I think it should wait until we have someone who's 99% sure to be town. DrH has only his actions going for him, but he knows that as well as we do. Mass claiming to a mafia would, as far as I can tell, lose the game for us immediately.
Well, seeing as almost half the players have already claimed to him, if he's mafia I'd say we're pretty far down the shitter already. That's a lot of information for one man to hold without being kept in check. If everyone knows everyone else's roles (or presumed roles) then if Doc is mafia and slips up, he can be caught.
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On December 01 2010 11:32 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill. I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi. 13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger. Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen. Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth. The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck. I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up.
I might as well go ahead and tell everyone I'm a green townie.
I'm overcompensating for my lack of power role.
Anywho watch the mafia fail at bluesniping again. When I have 14/30 people roleclaimed to me this game should be over already. The fact that town is in such a position as it is speaks volumes for how bad an dinexperienced the mafia is.
Which is why I want to look at inactives/newbs. It's also part of the reason I think "ok maybe radfield, amber, etc. aren't mafia" because I consider them too good for the abysmal day 1 hits.
I'm not sold on Radfield though. I've yet to really comb through his walls of text, but I'll get to it tonight. This night is going to be the tipping point for overwhelming town victory if town plays their cards right.
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btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't.
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Oh, I assumed you meant mass claim to DrH. DrH has said a few times he has 13/30 or 12/30 or however many people claimed to him, but we only have a handful who have actually shown it in PMs or something.
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On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't.
If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely.
So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc?
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what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled?
replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town.
also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me?
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On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't. If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc?
I'm for it. I'm town aligned, it'll do no harm to tell me what you are.
I already know who so many people are that the smallest slip-up would be the end for any faking mafia. This means every mafia will probably fake vet or townie, but even that is poisonous for them.
The problem is it has to be to me or SouthRawrea and putting all your eggs in one basket is a very risky play. If someone else who wasn't me was in this position I'd be reluctant unless I was as convinced they were town as I am for, say, Amber[Light]
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On December 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled?
replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town.
also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me?
Well, I'll come out and say that I claimed to you.
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On December 01 2010 12:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't. If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc? I'm for it. I'm town aligned, it'll do no harm to tell me what you are. I already know who so many people are that the smallest slip-up would be the end for any faking mafia. This means every mafia will probably fake vet or townie, but even that is poisonous for them. The problem is it has to be to me or SouthRawrea and putting all your eggs in one basket is a very risky play. If someone else who wasn't me was in this position I'd be reluctant unless I was as convinced they were town as I am for, say, Amber[Light]
Oh, you want a mass claim to just you? I was thinking a mass claim in thread...
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kitaman27
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On December 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled?
replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town.
also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me?
Seems like it would give the mafia free information. What would be the benefit of that?
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Claimed to me:
Annul
Jcarls
Southrawrea
Kenpachi
youngminii
aidnai (pre-death)
Pandain
Chaoser
Protactinium
Glasse (claimed publicly)
KtheZ (claimed publicly)
Aeres
I incorrectly included a few dead people in my count. 12 roleclaims. I might be missing someone.
Be conscious of the fact that I came home to about 18 PMs. I'm on information overload and I fear shit is slipping through the cracks. I'm bound to make small number/logical slip-ups and I'm sure mafia will try to make me look bad for it.
You try reading 15 pms at work on your phone and getting everything perfect.
I will say this. The town circle is working on sorting out my information and splitting the workload so that nothing gets by without being looked at.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 09:52 Pandain wrote:
We need like 2-3 more votes on DTA
CMON On December 01 2010 09:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
incognitos laughing is impacting this game by leading me to believe he is laughing because we just switched from mafia to townie
ace did the same thing in dont lose yo villlage and it made me think "he's probably laughing because both me and ym are townies"
you all shouldn't do that imo don't use incog wifom. Vote for DTA vote for scum On December 01 2010 09:59 Pandain wrote:
for the love of god vote dta
i think we're in the lead but do it to cement it
Just because no one mentioned it anywhere, pandain started the bandwagon on darth, i thought it could be useful to know
Also drh, giving out that list is like saying "hey, you have a high chance of hitting a blue in those names, please pick whoever you please"
I know some of em are green but obviously some are blue. Posting that may not have been the greatest idea ever
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Also i'm 100% sure there is at least 1 or 2 mafia in that list. Drh could also be mafia playing with us, but i guess its 2 late to go back now if hes telling the truth. if someone didnt roleclaim to him in that list please say it :3
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It's not that useful. It's very rare that the bad bandwagon starter is the mafia. That makes me look bad, but since this is a learning game I find that it tends to be the second person to do it.
What mafia do:
Analyse a bunch of different players. Each mafia will post a scummy analysis and FoS a different player to split up the bandwagon, that way the mafia can use their vote power to have more influence. If a town starts a bad bandwagon, they'll climb onto that as well.
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