EPTBC and RoL: Salem Mafia - Page 23
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:24 KtheZ wrote: Also for the sake of town analysis: We should treat brownbear's lynch as if we had lynched a normal townie. This is because nobody knew that he was chaos ensuant except himself. Thus, people voting for brownbear are not exempt from suspicion, since mafia knew they were not voting for a MAFIA when they voted brownbear. Just keep this in mind. Actually, I do think everyone is exempt from suspicion. Chaos Ensuant You are a townie who is tired of the injustice towards the witches. You have no abilities but you want the witches to exterminate the town. You do not know who the witches are, and the witches do not know who you are. You do not affect the Mafia's KP. If the witches win the game, you win as well. You show up as Towny for all Rolechecks. You count towards the mafia # for outnumbering town. The Witches didn't know the identity of the Chaos Ensuant, so it's not like they could have coordinated a lynch in the manner you described. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:29 SouthRawrea wrote: Okay please please please! Some of you really need to touch up on your reading skills. The Chaos Ensuant DID know who he was (read the role description). Also please consider the fact that it is highly likely that there is more than 1 chaos ensuant. Also try not to overstate things. (Ex: I heavily defend myself from attacks) I think what was meant is that no one but the CE knew who he was. So ie. Kenpachi is mafia, mafia don't know BB's role, mafia all jump on BB to save Kenpachi. Just throwing out a hypothetical situation. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Night 1 The town played a game of tug of war during the day with the lives of Kenpachi and Brownbear, at the end of the day there had to be a loser. As the town looked onward in a state of curious bemusement BrownBear was dropped from the gallows. BrownBear the Chaos Ensuant had died. Oh excellent! This is pretty damn good for a day 1 lynch imo. Since Mafia do not know who the Chaos Ensuant (traitor) is, we can analyze todays voting/posting/defenses etc. as though BB was a townie. (e.g. he may have been bandwagoned by some mafia). I still think that DTA needs to be examined carefully. What about modkills? | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:30 Aeres wrote: Actually, I do think everyone is exempt from suspicion. The Witches didn't know the identity of the Chaos Ensuant, so it's not like they could have coordinated a lynch in the manner you described. EBWOP: It seems I misunderstood KtheZ's point. I retract my statement. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:30 DarthThienAn wrote: I think what was meant is that no one but the CE knew who he was. So ie. Kenpachi is mafia, mafia don't know BB's role, mafia all jump on BB to save Kenpachi. Just throwing out a hypothetical situation. except votes were changed towards BB as i convinced people 1 by 1 that lynching him is better | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:30 DarthThienAn wrote: I think what was meant is that no one but the CE knew who he was. So ie. Kenpachi is mafia, mafia don't know BB's role, mafia all jump on BB to save Kenpachi. Just throwing out a hypothetical situation. Ah I'm such a hyprocrit. D: I was raging about the role thing with annul. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:31 aidnai wrote: Oh excellent! This is pretty damn good for a day 1 lynch imo. Since Mafia do not know who the Chaos Ensuant (traitor) is, we can analyze todays voting/posting/defenses etc. as though BB was a townie. (e.g. he may have been bandwagoned by some mafia). I still think that DTA needs to be examined carefully. What about modkills? jeez I got ninja'd by KtheZ and by RoL... need to read/post faster I guess. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
Always be careful of who you talk to and what you tell them. | ||
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
On November 28 2010 10:17 annul wrote: i heavily defend attacks against me no matter what, green blue or red. make a note of this. i claimed this in haunted (red), followed it up in insane (blue), and continued the trend in sengoku (blue, though i guess that isn't "proven" yet). why stop now? I haven't played with you before, but it seems as if you did not "heavily defend attacks against" yourself in this game after Pandain posted one. Instead, you waited until Kenpachi brought it up again in order to defend? This sudden outburst makes me suspicious considering how it is contradictory. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
i have advice for dts. id prefer to start corresponding with one directly. you can check and confirm me or another player then talk to me through them so i dont know who you are check priority 1 is darth coag pandain aeres southrawrea are players i would check as well if i were a dt. im asking the medic claimer to protect me tonight. if a dt refers themselves to me i can pass the medic im aware of onto you. again, not asking for roleclaims. it would make my job easier but dont do anything you dont feel safe doing. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
i like your approach jimbo but ive revealed very little of what im doing in pm land so dont draw too many conclusions. i never thought anyone would take a joke like claiming busdriver or dracula seriously but people do react funnily when nonsensical claims and accusations are made and it can be very telling and its an easy way to get discussions rolling. i didnt really do anything in the way of traps and if i did i woudlnt reveal it unless i caught somebody ;o | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On November 28 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: alright i feel much safer about kenpachi. and now i have regained confidence in my scumhunting prowess, i smelled the red on bb right after his very first post. i have advice for dts. id prefer to start corresponding with one directly. you can check and confirm me or another player then talk to me through them so i dont know who you are check priority 1 is darth coag pandain aeres southrawrea are players i would check as well if i were a dt. im asking the medic claimer to protect me tonight. if a dt refers themselves to me i can pass the medic im aware of onto you. again, not asking for roleclaims. it would make my job easier but dont do anything you dont feel safe doing. Just curious, why do you feel that I'm an important person to rolecheck? I have no objections to being checked, of course, but I do want to know why I'm on the list. Is it because of the Insane debacle, or a post I made here, or a PM I sent? Speaking as objectively as I can, I fail to recognize anything I've done so far that should strike anyone as particularly noteworthy. Care to enlighten me? | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
This whole medic claiming to you thing is becoming less trustable to me. I consider that either a slip-up or a pointless action of WIFOM that would've already been considered by mafia as if you are a townie, then you are a threat to them. So which is it? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Calling all the shots? I'm offering my thoughts, make of it what you will. But no I'm not trying to dominate the town or anything. DT claiming to me is up to the DT and like I said I advise the DT to take a safer route (check somebody, confirm them town, communicate to me through them without giving out names.) instead of fishing for the dt to roleclaim to me. He can always check me. You seem to be saying I want the DT to check me because i could be godfather but then you criticize me for making DTA my #1 priority DT check? If I was godfather I'd be begging the DT's to check me now. DTA is my #1 check because I feel most strongly he is scum (and I was right about BrownBear right?) there is nothing suspicious about that, don't try to make it sound like it is. The mouthpiece should act in the town circle and not claim publicly, that's my opinion. That way the mafia don't for sure know who it is. Killing the mouthpiece forces the DT to find a new mouthpiece and claim to a second person whereas the mouthpiece can simply move from person to person, adding another layer of protection i really really really don't think the claim was fake. it was too immediate, too stupid, and it makes very little sense on a metagame/theory level. i trust it, you don't have to. i don't even understand what kind of pressure you're trying to put on me. you're just saying a lot of obvious stuff, almost your whole post boils down to the point "nothing is 100% safe or certain" which is obvious in this game. and it also sounds like you are trying to make it seem like I'm telling the DT what to do when I'm offering several different courses of possible action/advice (something you're not doing and that is decidedly pro-town) again: i'm advising the DT to go through someone else and not to roleclaim to me directly. On November 28 2010 12:18 Aeres wrote: Just curious, why do you feel that I'm an important person to rolecheck? I have no objections to being checked, of course, but I do want to know why I'm on the list. Is it because of the Insane debacle, or a post I made here, or a PM I sent? Speaking as objectively as I can, I fail to recognize anything I've done so far that should strike anyone as particularly noteworthy. Care to enlighten me? Mistake, I didn't catch a few of your recent posts. I had you on my list early on and never took you off. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Of course we should not operate under the assumption I am town. | ||
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