Because in a nutshell that's all you said.
Speaking of while. Don't let Brownbear be unnoticed. He have been dodging all day and hasn't be responding or contributing at all
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Because in a nutshell that's all you said. Speaking of while. Don't let Brownbear be unnoticed. He have been dodging all day and hasn't be responding or contributing at all ##VOTE: Brownbear | ||
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On November 14 2010 06:34 BrownBear wrote: woops, did not mean to hit post there. my bad. Let me flesh out my point... So far, I don't see a logical reason to kill Amber. However, there's some fun little gems... Show nested quote + On November 12 2010 22:55 Amber[LighT] wrote: BLAH BLAH ORGOLOVE BLAH BLAH I'd like to hear more from BrownBear & Hesmyrr since they're playing on the fairly quiet side. And then 2 posts later... And currently, LSB has completely ignored, to the point where he hasn't even acknowledged, the bandwagon forming on Amber so that he can continue to dump suspicion on me. There are connections, they're actually pretty obvious. Note, LSB, I never actually said you were red. I said you have given me a bad vibe all game. It's hard to throw up hard analysis based on gut feelings, because falling into that trap is a bad way to play the game. A couple of your posts... Show nested quote + On November 09 2010 12:13 LSB wrote: On November 09 2010 12:09 orgolove wrote: Another thing to note is the setup. As Ace did not reveal the number of each roles, we have to figure it out ourselves. Compared to the standard setups, there's 2 disadvantages to the town: 1. a red could randomly be chosen as the mayor, leading to an auto -1 town. Actually, eventually one of the reds WILL be chosen as a mayor since the kingmaker is forced to switch his choice every day to a different player. That's why you look to my idea about the king following the town's decision. That way even if an assassin is chosen as king, nothing will happen. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#27 2. there is no reliable detective. This is huge. The biggest problem with no detective is that there is no easy way to check the alignment of inactives. This is why on the first day we should lynch an inactive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#30 This is not a very good argument for lynching an inactive. This is a game of 9 people, where we really cannot afford to slip up much at all, so under no circumstances should we be just "lynching an inactive because we have nothing better to do" we should be finding something better to do. Let's be honest, it's a pretty poor argument, but you say it in such certain terms. Generally, the people I've seen going "This is what we should do" about stupid shit are more likely than not to be mafia trying to mislead town. So, I never FoS'd you or said "HEY GUYS LSB IS RED" I just said you were giving me a bad feeling. And now you're connected (kinda tenuously, but still) to Amber, who's been coming under some hard suspicion. It doesn't really add up to me. In case you haven't noticed, my case against you Brownbear began when I was wondering why you suspected me. It didn't just began because Amber[Light] asked me to nicely. Also, Brownbear did not directly address points 2 and 3. (He just has an excuse for point number one, saying that he was inactive). Instead he just resorted to attacking me. However, his argument is increadibly flawed. Secondly, it would be one thing to suggest lynching an inactive on the first day, but another thing to push for lynching an inactive. Brownbear completely ignored this post. On November 10 2010 02:52 LSB wrote: As for lynching inactives, Coagulation is the only 'inactive' left, and based on his recent play, he's not the type to suddenly afk on the town. Show nested quote + On November 09 2010 16:34 Coagulation wrote: And no, I do not agree with the King not revealing himself once chosen. We need to find out what the king is thinking. We have a different king each day, and the game setup does not have any day kills. So there is absolutely no disadvantage to the king being revealed to the towns, and it will only give the Assassins, with their ability to PM, an even better chance to plot behind their backs. Remember - there are -no- PMs for townies! the only ones that really "need to find out what the king is thinking" are the assassins. Coagulation, could you please be a bit more active and join the discussion? Thanks Anyways, we should now move discuss whether or not we should use Merlin I am against using Merlin, as it is a waste of a lynch. Remember, lylo is not delayed when we use Merlin. I said that there we no inactive left. And indeed the reason why I supported the Coag lynch was not because of his inactivity (He was quiet active under pressure). But because his answers to my questions were not satisfactory | ||
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Just checking if this is OMGYS | ||
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Kill Brownbear first tomorrow guys. | ||
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On November 14 2010 15:35 Hesmyrr wrote: ##Vote: Amber[Light] execute: Amber[Light] Sorry for not waiting CubEdin's vote but really need to sleep. Almost 4 AM already =/ I apologize if I have made a wrong decision. LSB's arguments were definitely the most persuasive one I have seen in this thread, but there were some things I just could not get over and I somewhat trust orgolove/less so on Pandain at moment. Still extremely hard decision. My drowsiness induces me to kill CubEdin for just sake of him going MIA but that's kinda unfair, considering I have yet to pay any attention to him at the moment... either way good night. Wondering why Hesmyrr didn't pay attention to my Brownbear stuff. On November 14 2010 12:00 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2010 11:05 Hesmyrr wrote: DAY 1 STARTS F*** this, I am NOT going to discuss individual posts. I lack too much patience for that. orgolove-Amber[Light] twit twat While I agree with generic content of the post that started this, attack on Amber[LighT] feels bit stretched considering lot other people besides him unanimously agreeed Excalibur was useless before you spoke up. I still do not understand Amber[LighT]'s last sentence, and I equally do not understand what orgolove is attacking him on, but if what amber says is what I think he is saying ("we should use excalibur d1") then yeah, -1 townie points for him since that is wrong in so many levels =/ But then amber replies Don't you think it would be wise for the assassins to take advantage of eliminating these roles so they can't be used in the late game? so I don't think that is it either. Can either of you please explain what you guys were talking about because I have hard time understanding it. I am sorry but English is not my first language, so I am declaring this null read for now due to lack of information.Third paragraph is still worthy of mentioning though. He understands the possibility of King making irrational and possibly disputable choices and yet he would go for king autonomy? THEN he refuses to vote for the sake of "[creating] a good pro-town atmosphere"? I thought the good pro-town atmosphere for the mafia was where everyone was discussing their opinion about other players, not trying to refrain from attacking each other / cartering to other player's feelings ("buddying"). My suspicion metre of Amber[LighT] has shot up immeasureably, but I only touched beginning of the argument so I can possibly have joy of orgolove pulling off equally scummy maneuver. orgolove's response is acceptable, though I'll take into note that he asked the king to claim. Amber[LighT]'s reply only focuses on the second paragraph where orgolove askes for king claim and ignores the first paragraph. I don't like that. Okay, that's unfair since I just saw he effectively answered why he do not like voting system in his response to me, but seriously? You are going to call voting system which was used in mafia games for aeons "flawed" and state King autonomy is going to be better? First, there will be scum king some point in the game so argument that voting is bad because mafia can influence the lynch is null. Giving all the power into the king leads to danger of town spotlight being focused entirely on the king itself. The voting system allows everyone to be held accountable for their actions, not just the king. This is seriously weak argument rehashed into WoT. orgolove disappears here and don't return for rest of the day methinks. orgolove and Amber[LighT] both had somewhat miffy points some point in their argument, but I definitely find amber to be worse. I might be suffering from DoctorHelvetica complex so I will withhold my vote until I finish the entire game, but I will probably looking over him hard as I do this. (to be continued, b/c day 1 has motherload of posts. I feel like that time where I tried to cram for mid-term all in one night.) I'm going to address your points as best as possible. I apologize for any discrepancies w/ regards to the language barrier. I understand not everyone speaks English first, so I will address what I can... The use of the relics: My thought when I read the description of the game and the various roles, even before Day 1 began, was that the relics could be used for a couple of scenarios: a. The assassins could use this as a mechanism to divert blame away from making a decision that could bite them in the ass. This could increase trust with the King that used the relic because they felt that the town could benefit as a whole by not having a lynch directly come back to them later. b. The assassins could use them to make sure that the town could not take advantage of these abilities later in the game. When you think about it, using Merlin for pro-town purposes is most beneficial during the first day, and the first day only. The worth of using this ability decreases day after day. The assassins could eventually use this ability to cause utter confusion at any point, making the worth of using it stay relatively the same throughout the game. The opposite actually applies for the other relic. That ability will increase in worth as the days go on, since the odds of hitting an assassin increase (see below) : *Assuming assassins never get hit: Day 1 --> 2/9 chance Day 2 --> 2/7 chance Day 3 --> 2/5 chance Day 4 --> 2/3 chance (useless by then, but still worth noting) **I am \ assuming that the sword also takes out the sitting king by random. If not then subtract 1 person per day. The worth of the ability would increase for an assassin king to use though. It would appear that using the sword early is risky, but beneficial for the mafia. By today though, the worth of either ability has diminished so I doubt either party will jump to use them. By today though I think even talking about the relics is pointless. I think the consensus of the town is that we would rather not use them. I am okay with this decision. Also I replied to the most pressing issue in Orgoloves post. If he felt I did anything to not fulfill a complete response he could have asked me to respond again and rephrase the question. He did not. He made another post today that rehashed similar posting habits from his day 1 posts and I replied accordingly. Also don't think that there is a 100% chance that there will be a mafia king. The kingmaker could actually be lucky enough to analyze players that are playing very pro-town. It's important for the kingmaker to do his part and analyze the players behind the scenes and avoid picking scum players. We could go through the whole game without ever having an assassin king. Congrats to the kingmaker if that happens. Wondering why Hesmyrr didn't answer this. | ||
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If you want, you could have argued with him over it. However you did,'t. You choose to lynch the person who wasn't responsive at all, and dismissed accusations as On November 14 2010 11:15 BrownBear wrote: ugh. There seems to be a lot of pressure on me, for really stupid reasons. Without explaining why | ||
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On November 15 2010 08:55 CubEdIn wrote: Bleh. Nobody is paying attention to me. I will need to hear orgolove and pandain's arguments or else they're the prime suspects on my list. Sorry, but after tonight there will be only 5 people left, and I really can't stand semi-lurking. I was away too, and it's the weekend, fine, but we need to hear arguments. Also, if we're gonna use merlin, it will have to be now. If we flip a red, we'll have 2v2 (after the reds kill one player, that night), and one red will be revealed, thus killed, leading to a 2v1 situation, which is basically a coin-flip for the king-maker. I'm not saying it's the best solution, since to me, the chances of uncovering a red now are relatively close to random, so we might as well use the sword and have a kill as well. It's a tough choice, but this is where the game gets interesting. It might be do-or-die. Ima go sleep. If I die, please consider what I just said. Uhh... Day already ended. We can't use merlin anymore. (It's a day action) | ||
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On November 16 2010 08:24 Pandain wrote: ace its not suspenseful if we already know what happens :p Wait... So are you mafia??? | ||
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