EPTOn November 18 2010 12:25 Nemesis wrote:
Wow it's night phase already and Coag still hasn't updated the map XD
Wow it's night phase already and Coag still hasn't updated the map XD
i updated the map...
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
i updated the map... | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eCDQL.png) people keep posting the old one for some reason. it was up about 6 hours after night ended. its nice to see that you are using your 1 required post a night to bitch about my map being late tho. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 18 2010 13:20 Coagulation wrote: people keep posting the old one for some reason. it was up about 6 hours after night ended. its nice to see that you are using your 1 required post a night to bitch about my map being late tho. You should 'accidentally' edit him out of the map! | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 18 2010 12:16 annul wrote: no. ace is incorrect. 100% incorrect. his insistence against the mass claim has pretty much solidified his scumness to me. i will be voting for him every single phase i can until he is gone. mass claim does NOTHING but help the town. nothing at all. it is 100% beneficial to the town to put names of players to territory numbers. again, MAFIA ALREADY KNOWS THE MAFIA. every single mafia knows every single other mafia's name and territory number. therefore, every single mafia knows every single town player's territory. mass claim allows us to begin to message players for territory-based strategizing. it is absolutely retarded not to do this. It's not just about Mafia, it's about alliances. I don't think you've been paying attention. If people know where you are, they know how many votes you control. If they know your stance and know they want a certain lynch to go through then they just pop whoever they need to get their way. Now with the new alliance mechanic? Pffft why claim and hurt yourself even further? There is no strategic advantage in telling people who you are if you're town because DING! - everyone isn't playing to keep each other alive, their playing to grab territory to increase vote power. You give up your location and watch these new alliances put you in a hole. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
WHO CARES if they know how many votes you, specifically, control. mafia knows EXACTLY how many votes the town owns compared to the mafia. town, however, does not have this luxury. the way to solve this problem is to mass claim. this is the ONLY way to solve this problem. there is absolutely nothing harmful that comes from a mass claim. furthermore, BECAUSE of a mafia's tendency to attack those against them, we can cross-examine people who attack others at night if we put names to numbers. PS, ace, if you are seriously not mafia, if you are actually a town, and you are this stupid, i will go out of my way to either never interact with you again, or to push for an auto lynch on you in every single future game i am in, whether we are allied or not. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 18 2010 14:21 annul wrote: what is the point of vote power? to lynch MAFIA, if you're town, right? you really think people are gonna give a shit about voting mafia. they are gonna vote the biggest threats to them winning and taking all the land not the mafia lmfao. town will be lynching town left and right make no mistake | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
town only wins when mafia is eliminated. voting mafia is the way to do this. holy shit, is there anyone in this game that makes sense? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
i think your doing it wrong bro | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Mass claiming doesn't solve any problem. Great, you know where everyone is located. Sweet! - Now pick out the Scum. You can't. Are aggressive nations Scum? Not really because alliances are trying to increase their vote power also. All mass claiming will do is let every one know who controls what amount of votes and how to form even better alliances to gobble up those votes. Seriously the whole idea is just silly. Mafia knows how many votes they control, town doesn't. Ok and? It's not a big deal unless Scum have a huge voting power. They don't know which one of us have that power and hence they can't manipulate and attack us so easily. This goes for the other alliances too. Once you reveal this information you are DEAD. Heck let me just post the PM I sent to ghrur to make this even simpler. Because statements like this: furthermore, BECAUSE of a mafia's tendency to attack those against them, we can cross-examine people who attack others at night if we put names to numbers. Just show you have no clue what is going on. Townies are attacking others also in case you've missed the last 20 pages. Attacking people doesn't make you guilty so your statement is completely wrong. It's been proven on Night 1 that attacking doesn't make you scum. I just posted in the thread but I'll explain it even further here. In a normal game of Mafia I'm against Mass Roleclaims until the time is right. Town should never release a ton of information early on unless it's going to be a major advantage. In this game it's not Mafia vs Town and I don't think people get it. No one is even trying to scumhunt. Townies are trying to take territory by Night to increase voting power. In essence no one CARES if you're innocent - they just want land to serve their own agenda. Hence claiming your location isn't going to help you. What are you going to say? "oh province 17 is attacking everyone all the time" - it doesn't make him scum though. So what will province claiming tell you about someone's allegiance? Nothing. Now, add in this new alliance mechanic. Hell you better not claim now. If someone knows where you are located, they know how many votes you have and where you are going to place votes via thread discussion. So if they have an ally near you now they can get to you and wipe you out. Example: Say you are in danger of being lynched and I'm voting for you. I'm on the other side of the map so short of convincing me not to vote for you, you are stuck. Add in to the fact you know how many votes I control and how many votes your alliance controls. But you've got an ally bordering me. How do you know? Because I gave up my location. That night you and your ally pop me and depending on your powers I might lose 1, 2, hey even 3 territories. Regardless I lose a bunch of voting power and no can do anything about it. Once people start giving up their locations then anyone not allied to you can just take your votes away which is the real danger. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From ghrur: Supz Ace. Mind explaining why you're arguing to adamantly against mass roleclaims, or roleclaims in general? But you go ahead and try and get a mass claim going and see where it gets you. Watch the very next night a ton of territory get popped even if they are defending because like idiots they gave up their location and every other alliance knew how much voting power they held. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 18 2010 14:23 Coagulation wrote: you really think people are gonna give a shit about voting mafia. they are gonna vote the biggest threats to them winning and taking all the land not the mafia lmfao. town will be lynching town left and right make no mistake exactly, but he doesn't seem to understand this. Town is trying to increase their own vote power right now. If people were really looking for Mafia then where is all the scumhunting for the past 48 hours? What about the blatant amount of pro-alliance rules and roles in the OP? Come on, anyone who still thinks this is strictly about Town vs Mafia is still stuck at the sign up page lmao. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
I STILL WIN I STILL WIN I STILL WIN so yes, it is town vs mafia. that is what this is. is there a third party? probably. but how does this differ whatsoever from any other mafia game where a third party exists? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
"town isnt trying to kill mafia theyre trying to increase voting power" uhhhhhh what? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Town is surely going to form alliances and don't know who mafia is. Alliances want to increase voting power. So for all intents and purposes they are a 3rd party. It differs GREATLY from a Mafia game where 3rd party exists because um - this isn't Mafia. Haven't you realized this yet? You can be attacked by multiple people that all can be of the same allegiance with you for the fact that they want more votes. In a standard Mafia game you can't increase your voting power, only the amount of total votes left in the game. Here? You can do the former which is much more devastating. But ok, let's try a mock idea that goes along with your mass claim idea. Everyone has claimed on Day 3 what province they are. Everyone has also told the truth. We know who has what province by that, know how many votes they control. Night 3 some attacks happen, some people get more voting power. Some lose theirs. Some people are attacked from countries on the other side of the map. Some players hit other player's countries that they were arguing with in the thread. Some provinces got hit for no reason. How do you figure out which of them is Mafia? Let's say one country ends up with something insane like 5 votes and everyone gets scared. You don't know if this player is Scum or Town. Are you going to lynch him for the mere fact that he was aggressive and took out other people's vote power? Both of these scenarios are the direct result of province claiming and none of them are going to point you to Scum. So show me where once we all province claim we can find Scum. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On November 18 2010 14:49 annul wrote: if a townie wins all territory, even if i lose my territory in the process, guess what? I STILL WIN I STILL WIN I STILL WIN so yes, it is town vs mafia. that is what this is. is there a third party? probably. but how does this differ whatsoever from any other mafia game where a third party exists? You’re a Missionary sent by God to help convert the people of this country towards your religion. In addition to normal abilities, once per turn you may spread your teachings to neighboring countries that are not attacking anybody else. They in turn will join your "faction." You win by converting more than half of the provinces to your control. But if a country is attacking, your teachings will be snuffed out in that area and the lord of that country will be aware of something afoot. I guess it's very safe to conclude that we have a third party here. What we don't know is whether there is/are the "fourth" party or not (also very unlikely). So the game is more like Haunted Mafia. And I think the game is designed to be more about territory than scum hunting, or else we would already have a very heated argument and scum hunting. I posted about we should try and get people who are inactive to speak more and it was shot down (big thanks to mod for enforcing every one to post at least once every cycle). So in this game, people are more concerned with gaining more territories than scum hunting. We don't know who our neighbors are and we don't know when we will lose our provinces. So gaining more territories is the safest bet. That's why mass claiming is not a good idea. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
you are the only one that you know for sure is town. so it is in towns best interest for YOU to win then it becomes acceptable with this logic to kill anyone and everyone regardless if they are town or not in order to secure a town victory. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On November 18 2010 15:23 Coagulation wrote: look at it this way you are the only one that you know for sure is town. so it is in towns best interest for YOU to win then it becomes acceptable with this logic to kill anyone and everyone regardless if they are town or not in order to secure a town victory. Oh well, you sum what I want to say in one paragraph. Just think of this game as a Risk game with Mafia element involves. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
LSB, whats up? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On November 18 2010 15:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: Ace, Coag...Stop provoking fires. Yes. It is in my best interest to win, but I will perm ally anyone. LSB, whats up? U CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO. I HAVE 3 MORE POSTS THEN YOU. | ||
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seRapH
United States9768 Posts
On November 18 2010 16:27 Coagulation wrote: U CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO. I HAVE 3 MORE POSTS THEN YOU. But he's older! | ||
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