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On October 29 2010 09:13 Aeres wrote: This is enough for me to keep from voting for you. >_<. That damn spreadsheet caused quite a bit of trouble last game... Yeah, because it revealed you as the mafia huh. -_- On October 29 2010 09:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: orgolove is bad and shouldn't be mayor either Mhmm. I think I had about 70% hit rate of weeding out the reds, with my only mistakes coming from people who acted real scummy that game. I'd return it to you - mistakenly killing 1 out of the 3 remaining mafia and heavily favoring the vampire's victory? -_- pretty "bad" as a host I'd say. | ||
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Anyway, I'm highly suspicious of bumatlarge immediately voting for himself so soon after the game started, and DrH also quickly bandwagoning for him. | ||
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What I mean is, has the first day begun, or are we still in the preliminary decision process? | ||
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Is there a mafia with the ability to give murrayitis? Do some people start infected with murrayitis? will the murrayitis extend to the mayor even with bodyguards present? If the mayor was visited, and was infected, will he die even if the bodyguards are alive when more than half the participants have murrayitis? [b] Are there other viruses (standard poisons) present?[b] There has been instances of people being "poisoned" and dying on the second night. Will this be a separate mechanic from murrayitis? | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:47 Fishball wrote: You know what, I'll just put this out there before I head to bed, so everyone listen up. I will be running for Mayor. - I'm a part of a circle, which its members are allowed to PM each other. - This circle consists of 6 players. - Every member knows who is in this circle. - All member does not know each others role - All member does not know each others alignment, whether Town or Mafia. - There is a possibility that there is/are Mafia in this circle. If I'm elected as Mayor, I'll be having the other 5 members role claim to me and the first step of coordination will start from there. We will have starting point. You might ask, why does it have to be me to become Mayor, and not someone else from the circle? Well, my role is critical to this circle, that is all I can say for now. Like mentioned in a previous post, I've never bothered to run for Mayor in any of my previous games, but this time, it's a little bit different. I'm running Mayor for the protection, to be able to give town a head start without worrying of getting killed the other day, at the same time utilizing our circle's power to a greater potential. Then there will be the second question, what if I'm Mafia? Well, this can also apply to any other candidates that are currently running for Mayor. The fact that I'm openly sharing this piece of critical information above, already shows my motives are pro-town. Mafia would never announce that they are in a circle this early in the game, and would try to squeeze every piece of information they can get within. It is also very likely that there will be at least one Mafia within this circle, which means the entire Mafia team would know about the circle's existence. The only group left in the dark would be the rest of the Town, had I not come out and make this announcement. Worst case scenario, I did not get elected, and Mafia kills me the next day; My role flips and everyone knows I wasn't lying. Even if the circle takes a huge hit, the Town as a whole would at least be aware of this other situation. Once again, I am running for Mayor. If I win, I will be role claiming right away. Hmm, he does have quite a bit of experience - he played in the very first mafia, since 2008.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67133¤tpage=6#113 | ||
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1. bumatlarge voted for himself within a minute after the game started -_- without providing anything he could bring to the table 2. Pandein, who kinda sorta lied in Haunted mafia: On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote: Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sign-up List: I haven't seen any better candidate yet. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:39 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't think that bumatlarge voted himself soon after the game started should be use against him. He is likely to be town and want to keep mafia from being mayor. Also by deciding to run as mayor that fast limited his time discussing with his mafia members. Secondly, lying in the previous games means very little in this game. Go ask Bumatlarge and Fishball about have they lied in a past mafia game. Hmm, I see your point about bumatlarge. He definitely did not have any time to discuss with mafia members, if he is mafia. Haha, I realize that lies are a big part of the game, but such -blatant- lies kinda stay in your mind, you know? | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lying can be advantageous if you're town as long as you do it smartly Yeah - except he got himself lynched within a day after that post >.< | ||
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On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote: Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sign-up List: Don't give power to the animal. -_- | ||
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orgolove
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On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_- | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really do not know where I supposedly lied regarding this. If you could quote that message I can apologize for it, but I am currently unaware of it. Sorry, that was directed to DrH, not you. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you could do the same and point out where I lied that would be great thanks On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. I can't trust someone who's so "free" with his supposed" facts." | ||
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I think if one were to really want to hide information, he probably wouldn't have revealed the presence of a circle either. | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:58 Glasse wrote: What if i am invincible due to bodyguards? DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I could also be an invincible body guard, who protect his own bodyguards. Think about it, its so insane it could be true! Glasse for mayor! I honestly do not think no matter what, Artanis would not put such an imbalanced role. Either there's a big catch you aren't telling us, or you're just talking out of your ass. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot. What is your response to KingJames' comments? | ||
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Oh, the window was open for far too long... On October 30 2010 13:23 Misder wrote: Giving mafia the members makes it easy to break the circle up. Mafia will know who's in the circle. It will only benefit the town if the circle members reveal their involvement. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote: Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really...  Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. So why is it important that you're mayor? I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself. How can I be sure you are town? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated. Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone. Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. What you are suggesting is only possible if PMs are allowed in general. If you're suggesting DrH "give" you a bodyguard by posting the bodyguard's name on the thread, then you're just giving mafia more targets to choose from. | ||
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How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis? Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least. Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role. Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc | ||
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But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus: "Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis." Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? | ||
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1. Your role is very important. On October 30 2010 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, my role is the most important thing 2. You'll be able to prove that you aren't blue. On October 30 2010 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: not to mention a confirmed townie mayor is a very useful thing, considering the fact that it is likely i would be recruited into the various circles of teh game Let me quote myself re point 1: On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote: Basically, your ability is thus: "Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis." Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? And regarding your second point, in a game where we don't know the true mechanics of your role, your role could easily involve simply infecting people with your stick. After one night action, you can simply claim that the guy you infected "turned up infected" in your nightly "check." Then you can just as easily invite plague doctors to cure him. When they confirm your victim was infected, you were going to claim that you are a blue based on that fact. Thus, based on pure game mechanics consideration, there is no way you can prove your status as a townie. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits. | ||
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On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: considering you've called me out on two lies already in this thread that I immediately called out as bullshit (funny how you didn't respond either time) I'm not surprised you're trying to imply it again Bullshit. You never cleared anyone's doubts. Those exchanges were buried under others' posts - but the suspicions still stand. On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: then i'm not infecting anyone throughout the whole game as I do this. meaning that my infection power is made 0, a shitty awful play. so I'm shooting myself in the foot to get confirmed blue status for almost no benefit (an extra vote whoopee). I'd have to lie to get a real infection off and plague doctos would know, could claim it, and get me lynched Considering that the whole point of a Mafia Godfather is to appear as a confirmed townie, I'd say confirmed blue status is highly valuable. Valuable enough to disable one of their plaguebearers? Depends on how many they have, but I doubt Artanis put only put one in the game. On October 30 2010 15:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i am really not that capable of an this intricate of a plan as mafia, i didn't even think of some of the crazy possibilities you guys are coming up with. maybe ya'll woudl be better stickys than me Looking at your post history, you were a mafia in every previous game you played. You certainly tried to appear capable enough when the needs fit you - and now you're playing the dunce? On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. | ||
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On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens. Notice you're contradicting yourself here? On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: it's in the past and shit happens. On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed If aggressive interrogation doesn't suit your sensibilities, then perhaps this game is not for you. The issue here is DrH's suitability as a mayor. Considering the importance of such a position, anything goes. Besides, If, as you truly did read through the past couple of pages, then you should have known that I won't bring it up myself - why are you opening up the discussion again? If you want to support DrH, you're only hurting your own cause by continuing this. On October 30 2010 15:59 infinitestory wrote: Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like reduced my trust in DrH significantly. On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor. Agreed. Considering how he's become increasingly emotional and frustrated as time went by, I highly doubt DrH can keep his cool as a Mayor. If a candidate can't handle the muckraking during the campaigning, how will he handle the extreme scrutiny he'll be under as the mayor? We don't need someone who can't even stay levelheaded when answering questions about his past, especially someone who can't let go of a grudge on two questions about his honesty. | ||
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Just step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts. We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will:
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory. DrH's candidacy hinges on two points.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis. On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis: On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis. Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor? Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue. Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few: On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote: I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote: DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote: I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote: Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote: That doesn't confirm your alignment though  On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote: -_- And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits. Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt. I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion. If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted. On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game and then they want to vote for pandain lololol DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias? | ||
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orgolove
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On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words. See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran." Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left? And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy 2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game. There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I also like that you didn't respond to my post a few pages back where I completely obliterated your terrible "criticism". Here I'll go ahead and do it again. "Terrible criticism"? Lol, I can count at least several of the players here that appreciated the points I raised. And yet you try to rile me up with your own insults! "this point is trash" AHAHA how childish can you be? On October 31 2010 07:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: In the last game that orgolove was pro-town he was very nice and played an extremely objective game. He dealt only in facts, he messed some up (Not hard to do in such a large game) but pretty much played the role of "numbers guy" These erratic attacks, intense focus on me, and antagonistic behavior just strikes me as a total 360 spin from how he played before. Interesting. So questioning a mayoral candidate counts as being a "bad townie"? "Antagonistic behavior"? I'm more suspicious of Nemesis and your connection to DrH, given how you immediately come to defense via trying to paint me as a scum. If criticizing the reasons behind your list counts as an insult to you, then this is just hopeless. As I said, please do lynch me if I am your top suspect. If you are so petty as to lynch someone based on your personal grudges, then I rest my case - the town will see the light eventually. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
But as Fishball mentioned, the deadline is coming up, and yet half the circle has not responded, we have to go forward with what we have and adapt. So here, I reveal this: I am a part of Fishball's circle. The following are some of our PM exchanges. Please read starting from the bottom. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: That's actually not my first roles power. All I've said is that my role is crucial to the circle. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: You might want to mention your statement about "first job" being weeding out the mafia in the circle as a response to DrH's latest statement. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: not yet. if possible, please wait for my green light. things might be different now when the mayor can be role/alignment checked. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: Should I reveal myself as a part of the circle? I want to wait for everyone but what's your thoughts? So there you have it. The circle exists exactly as Fishball described. We 6 do not know each other's roles or alignments, but we definitely know who each other are, and can PM each other. If Fishball is elected, his original plan is very viable. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
I apologize for hurting anyone's feelings. But I deemed DoctorHelvetica's discomfort an acceptable casualty if Fishball could be elected mayor and lead the town to victory. | ||
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