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What we want in a mayor is activity (but not spamming), good thinking and experience. As was said before, I think bumatlarge is the best candidate. Pandain might be a good choice too, but the yum yum stuff does get on my nerves so I'm biased against him  | ||
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On October 30 2010 03:06 Fishball wrote: If you are just flat out comparing resumes, my resume should top these two. Don't trust the whole circle thing as I said. I'm voting for bumatlarge for now. | ||
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On October 30 2010 03:57 Fishball wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Bum retracted his run. You would have to vote for Pandain or one of the others. Oh true, I missed that. Gonna change to Pandain then. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:15 Nemesis wrote: If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too. By that definition, it seems they can only transfer immunity to someone who has Murrayitis at the time. Maybe I'm wrong here though. | ||
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Pandain(7): Pandain, Nemesis, deconduo, DoctorHelvetica, Meapak_Ziphh, Amber[LighT], Coagulation, Fishball(4): Fishball, infinitestory, youngminii, orgolove NB: NB LunarDestiny: LunarDestiny kingjames01: kingjames01 annul: annul Veldril: Veldril bumatlarge: bumatlarge BrownBear: BrownBear DCLXVI: DCLXVI | ||
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Fishball - I've said a few times I just don't trust the whole circle thing. Dr. H - Just seems, I dunno, off somehow. The timing of when he started to run was weird. He has a huge bandwagon overnight as well. It reeks imo. Pandain - I put my vote on him initially, because between him and fishball I'd much prefer him. I feel he's the least likely to be scum of all 3, but I don't think he'd be an amazing mayor. In previous games I've played with him he was a bit all over the place. However, given the choice between those 3 I would pick him as the 'safe' option. So I'm going to change back to my original vote for now, bumatlarge. The fact that he has not been pushing so hard like the others reassures me as well. | ||
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On November 01 2010 00:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: It seems like this has gone largely unnoticed, and should definitely be addressed: What do you think this is revealing? Is DC alluding that he is the bodyguard? Or does he have some sort of action that could target the Mayor during the day? We should figure this out soon in case we need to give him medic protection. I believe Coag suspects DC to be the bodyguard, and so elegantly put it as such: While I wouldn't use those choice of words, I have to agree somewhat. DC, if you are bodyguard, outing yourself was probably not the smartest thing to do. You don't want people to know you're the bodyguard. I missed that, but I think you are right. DC has pretty much outed himself as bodyguard unless he is doing some sort of elaborate fakeout. We need at least one medic to be on him tonight. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote: I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious. Agreed. Even though this is insane mafia, if we can't believe what the mod says then we might as well give up now. This means that either Aeres is lying or DC isn't a bodyguard and instead is something else that can interact with the mayor. Keep in mind that even if Aeres is lying it doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:01 Lexpar wrote: If I die tonight Doc H is almost definitely scum. Whats to stop maf killing you now that you've said that. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: L in this game? with Ace? oh lawd They have some sort of history? | ||
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? Don't get it | ||
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What if there are several people who were told they were bodyguards in their role PM, however only one of them is the REAL bodyguard. | ||
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Ok, people are taking the Aeres thing way too far. I feel what he did was actually a smart move given the circumstances, and I was tempted to do something similar. Think about the situation: -Mods say there is only 1 BG. -Someone softclaims BG in what appears to be a moment of stupidity/newbishness. -We have no idea what sort of roles/powers the mafia have. -He had a power that makes him immune to night actions temporarily. -Maf have 2+1 KP At that point in the game, for all he knew, maf could kill DC and Dr.H that night if doesn't do something. I think it WAS a good idea to claim BG. Sure, he didn't pull it off very well, but it worked to some extent if you think about it. Neither he, DC nor Dr. H died during the night. Now, with hindsight it wasn't the greatest thing to do. But here's the thing, we know a lot more now than we did. If he hadn't fakeclaimed we could be in a situation with a dead bodyguard and mayor. Wouldn't that be fun. When he claimed, I was pretty sure it was a fakeclaim to draw fire away from DC. I've seen similar situations several times in other games (Epicmafia) LAL is bullshit. Townies have to lie some times for good reasons. Thats my opinion anyway. Next, I'm gonna vote for youngmini. -Inactive most of day 1 -Doesn't get lynched when he should have been -Is suddenly very active -Is pushing really hard for the Aeres lynch I feel -Seems to be sucking up to/buddying Dr.H -I get a weird vibe from him. People I'm suspicious of: Pandain/Dr.H - childish, pretty pointless arguing from both sides. Lexpar - random, unexplained comments about Dr. H and his role. Glasse - Obvious why. Probably some sort of VI role. People I think are helping town (Not necessarily townie/trustworthy, just that they are helping): Misder - Good points/analysis Infinitestory - Good thinking Coagulation - Some weird stuff, but overall is good I think. Ace? (hard to read, not too sure on this. He's meant to be a veteran player) | ||
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On November 02 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This sudden swing to a youngminii bandwagon screams "mafia defense of Aeres" to me. So we're gonna bandwagon youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres? Let's think about this please. I'm voting for youngminii, not because he bandwagoned Aeres, but because he is scummy. He is pushing too hard for what I think is a dumb lynch. Aeres hasn't been scummy, he took a risk with a play. I feel he did the right thing, and it makes perfect sense to do so why should he be punished for it. | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:25 Aeres wrote: Doc, would you mind explaining why you voted for Infinitestory? This. Whatever about anything else, we can't have our mayor making votes without giving any reasoning. | ||
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On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? | ||
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On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote: That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. So blatant lies for the benefit of the town* gets you lynched, but manipulating the truth and twisting words gets you elected mayor. Thats a dumb fucking policy. (*The way I see it anyway. He could be an idiot scum but I really doubt it.) | ||
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On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote: So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative? Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless. I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor. IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. I think L's point is that no one would have any reason to pick normal townie, so why were you given the choice if it isn't really a choice. | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain I never ever changed what I said my role could do. I don't know what you're talking about but just from scanning over your post I can tell it's all bullshit. I'll get into specifics in a moment. I would like to point out that some people are not voting for Aeres "JUST BECAUSE HE LIED" and that I showed where the myth that his "plan was protown" arised because I trapped him in his lie without really realizing it. I think Aeres is not only a liar, I think he is scum. You see, I have no problem with this. I think you are wrong, but at least you are voting for Aeres for a good reason. I'm pissed off at the people who are voting just because of LAL or are sheeping. | ||
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CubEdIn, Fishball, Lunardestiny (Are active and I assume will vote soon) Beneather (Recent replacement, might not realise he needs to vote) Misder, (Has been active earlier today, but not for a few hours. Don't want to lose him, he's made some good points  )KtheZ, Divinek, (Inactive, will probably be modkilled) | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:51 L wrote: Okay, so volunteer yourself to die. You basically just got revealed to have cheated, lied about why you roleclaimed, and admitted you're cool with the prospect of mafia steamrolling the game. I seriously don't see how you have a 'high chance of being blue". You made a claim out of the blue and tried to use it to get in with the mayor. I think you are overreacting on this matter. You missed the start of the game and obviously you haven't caught up properly at all. He PM'd Dr. H without realising it was against the rules, and that was all cleared up ages ago. Mods know about it etc. In case you haven't noticed this is INSANE mafia, There are going to be some weird nonsensical roles. Considering there is up to thirty nine different roles to come up with, not everything is going to be scrutinized and perfectly balanced. | ||
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Another really interesting thing that comes from this is the following: (though this can get roleblocked, for which you will not receive a notification) This almost confirms the presence of a roleblocker, and has interesting implications as regards to the Dr. H situation. + Show Spoiler + Pointless I know, but I told you so. Aeres wasn't scummy, LAL is dumb. | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres. I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role. Judas = ? | ||
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On November 03 2010 22:35 Veldril wrote: He means; Aeres claimed BG and Cruiseship Captain, therefore Mafia knows that he can evade a hit, therefore Mafia target someone else. That was the whole point of Aeres claim. Maf can't kill him, therefore maf can't kill mayor. It was an awesome claim, and people are stupid. | ||
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On November 03 2010 23:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so mafia don't hit him and just move on to different targets? like the real bodyguard? how is that awesome exactly if he's trying to discourage them from shooting me, it doesn't work when he admits he's not the real bodyguard as soon as the bodyguard dies Again this was the situation: There is one real bodyguard (as stated by mods) DC had softclaimed, seemingly in error (not realising this is bad) Maf could in theory kill DC + Mayor that very night throwing town into chaos. So he claims BG as well knowing maf won't waste 2KP on the risk that he is not faking and is actually telling the truth. This plan succeeded because: Our mayor is still alive. This plan failed because: a) DC wasn't real BG (apparently) b) Real BG died during the night (randomly it seems) c)Terrible execution by Aeres (Transparent, got caught in the lie, made mistakes. Shit happens) Again this is all my interpretation of Aeres' plan, and I might have made minor mistakes in the details. I still maintain it was good idea, and was just executed badly. | ||
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On November 03 2010 23:19 Ace wrote: How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game. Replace 'The plan failed' with 'The plan had the following unforeseen flaws' | ||
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Hyperbola infundibulum Kenpachi KtheZ Lexpar kitaman27 And to a lesser extent: Bumatlarge (Ran for mayor, haven't seen him much since apart from the bit about Dr. H and his circle) LunarDestiny Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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On November 04 2010 04:18 NB wrote: without pm, how you entrusted him a message exactly? also i dont understand why both Dr.H and DC are so willing to die tonight? you guys know somebody who much more worthy to save? Bum can mason people and he masoned Dr. H last night. | ||
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On November 04 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd be most wary of infundibulum. I don't know how busy he is but he is a pretty experienced player and he's hardly contributed here at all. Hyperbola too. I also left out replacements because I feel they have some excuse for now, but maybe we should be looking at them as well. | ||
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Awesome, that means we probably have another medic. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: immediately apparent is pandain/coagulation both tried to spread mistrust o fishball because he used "secret circle" that could be very dangerous or wasn't helpful to town anyone else who used this argument gets an FoS. Does anyone recall who else used this argument against Fishball as a strong point? I did | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nemesis voted for him immediately iirc. Deconduo also voted for Pandain. My voting was as follows: There were 3 candidates initially, Fishball, Pandain, Bumatlarge. I vote for bum because I thought he would make the best mayor. I wasn't too happy with panda's posting and didn't like the idea of the Mayor having a private PM circle. However at that point bum had pulled out (I dunno why) so I had to choose between panda and fish. I picked panda simply because fish was pushing the whole circle thing too much. It was more of not liking fish as opposed to liking panda. Dr. H had not announced candidacy at this point. In fact he was voting for Pandain as well for the same reason iirc. Then bum came back into the race so I switched back to him, reasoning given in the post you quoted. There were other candidates as well, but the only votes they had were from themselves so I didn't really consider them. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:38 deconduo wrote: I'll take page 2, so page 6 is left. Actually I'm going to bed now (1am here) and I'm busy from like 9am to 10pm tomorrow so someone else should probably do it if you want it done in a reasonable timeframe. Sorry. | ||
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I think we should just lynch him now. A bird in the hand and all that jazz. Considering we have no idea what roles are out there, its just safer to cash in our guaranteed maf lynch now imo. | ||
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Why is the voting so close? Maf most be manipulating it somehow, but for what reason I don't know. At this stage watching the voting patterns should give us a lot of info. On a similar note: Maybe we should let Dr. H choose the lynches from now on, as he is mostly confirmed townie. People not voting with him should give explicit reasons as to why they are not. This stops any last minute fuxxing with the lynches, but gives us less to work on with regards to voting patterns. Peoples thoughts? Good idea or bad idea? Medics!!! Maf likely targets for tonight: Dr. H, infinite, cube, DC, node, NB. Choose wisely. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain/Coag are both good choices. It really comes down to what you feel is best for the town. I'm willing to take my chances with DC's gambit but Coag is the safest choice. I don't think the voting split is suspicious at all. Its 19 town 7 maf. If the town vote is split fairly evenly, then maf get to choose who dies. If coag dies and is red, thats a pretty clear indication that Pandain is red also. If Pandain dies, then coag's role must be more important for tonight than panda's. GTG for now | ||
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I thought I was doing really well.GL maf, make me proud. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:51 NB wrote: sr guys, i afk for too long... i was in too many event recently, offline as well as online.... Will try my best to keep track but im quite sure after this game i wont be playing any mafia for quite a while ^^... Town Hwaiting!!! im trying to read to catch up... i think panda and youngminii are quite suspicious... Best post evar. | ||
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On November 12 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote: Also i would like to bitch about having the most retarted mafia role ever. Yes it was. | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:44 kingjames01 wrote: I was so angry about this game. There were SO many mistakes made by the town. Unfortunately I was killed the first night... (WHAT THE HELL WAS UP WITH THAT???) It was obvious that Pandain's bid to become mayor was mafia-concocted. Two other players supported him with very shoddy reasoning. That should have been enough to kill 3 mafia. Another thing that really made my blood boil was the stupidity over the existence of the Godfather and whether or not Pandain could have been him. Godfather can choose to appear as WHATEVER he wants. The perfect role is to pretend that you know when someone is Red or Blue since you know that already. It is IDIOTIC to start with the assumption that there is no Godfather. Also, in order to win the game as town, you have to think like mafia. If some mafia is going to get lynched, the perfect plan is to bus a teammate, ESPECIALLY, if that means the Godfather is safe. I watched the entire game and I was not overly impressed with ANYONE's play. After the game, everyone is patting each other's backs and saying, "yeah, that was great how you pulled that off! You're a great player" or "that was some great analysis. You really got that right." NO! EVERYONE ELSE FUCKED UP. I'm so mad. =( You were too good, thats why we killed you  | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:50 kingjames01 wrote: Also, it was CLEAR that Aeres tried to pretend to be a second bodyguard since he thought DCLXVI had accidentally outted himself. I understood as soon as it happened. The reason why I didn't bring it up was BECAUSE I understood as soon as it happened. If you're FUCKING town, then put a little bit of thought into it, understand it and then go along with it, you shallow-minded fools. Don't make him explain himself. That negates the point of his move. He had a role which allowed him to take that risk. He took one for the team but you guys lynched him for it. Yah, I was amazed no one else saw this either. The moment Aeres claimed I was pretty certain it was a fakeout, but he still got lynched for it. | ||
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Day 1: We try to get Pandain elected. If you notice the votes, all the maf had a vote on Pandain at some point I think. We try and put down fishball. Things go wrong when Dr. H runs. Pandain + Coag are sooooo scummy here. Seriously, I was facepalming at some of the posts. Dr. H gets elected and lynches youngminii. Youngminii lynch dodges and sinquity dies. Night 1: We decide to kill Kingjames and Brownbear. They were playing well and were unlikely to have medic protection. We RB Dr. H as well so his stick doesn't go through. This is to put suspicion on him. At this point we don't know who the random kill will be. We get our first bit of luck here, with the bodyguard being killed, after the Aeres/DC thingy. Day 2: Aeres gets lynched and Fishball gets modkilled. If I was town here I would be raging SO HARD. Lynching aeres was a huuuuuuge waste. It allowed us to just run riot with accusations and stuff and attempt to pile suspicion on Dr. H. Fishball modkill was lucky for us as well. Night 2: We kill Jcarlsoniv because he is playing well. We kill bumatlarge via bus to knock out the PM network. Now town has no private communication as far as we know. Day 3: Coagulation gets unlucky, Double lynch is voted in. Night 3: The big one. We kill Dr. H via bus and save NB at the same time. We take out CubEdIn as well. DCLXVI dies from his role, Beneather as well. Unfortunately, mods are evil and get 3rd party to kill me ;_; Day 4: PANDAIN IS STILL NOT LYNCHED, WTF. In fact, town lynches the non-scummy detective KtheZ, Hyperbola gets lynched as well, not too sure why. Pandain, L, Ace, RoL are really scummy but none of them get lynched. NB isn't really scummy, just afk. Night 4: Town have a chance! Amber[LighT] dies but takes out RoL with him. 3rd party take out Ace. This drops maf KP to 1 + NB random kill only. We kill infinite and kitaman27 because both are DT roles. Veldril dies because of his role. Day 5: Pandain attempts to get Kenpachi lynched and succeeds. Last minute blitz gets Nemesis take out as well. However it exposes L + Pandain as scum. We have pretty much lost the game at this point if we can't convince the 3rd party to help us. We know that node is dying tonight which in turn will kill NB. If 3rd party hit Pandain, then only L is left, and his vote blitzing ensured that town know he is scum. Epic plan is formed involving getting m-rus to hit. 3rd party must be convinced to not kill Pandain. I may have left some things out, feel free to add anything or ask questions. | ||
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On November 13 2010 04:19 Aeres wrote: Oh crap, I missed the ending of the game. Good work, Mafia. Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? Your situation was horrible As I said above I would have raged so hard if I was town, because I still feel that your was a great move. I tried to defend you as best I could but it wasn't enough. Well played, you just got unlucky. | ||
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