EPTOn November 09 2010 16:31 flamewheel wrote:
Holy shit what the fuck 187 pages?
Holy shit what the fuck 187 pages?
Yeah, game's getting too slow. I no longer have 15 new pages when I wake up
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
Yeah, game's getting too slow. I no longer have 15 new pages when I wake up | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
First off, I read everything now. Pandain is the mafia godfather, I would say this with 99% certainty. His role checks out with KtheZ but his behavior has been anything but town. Pandain has been playing the role of the mafia aggressor to a tee. He attacked the shit out of DrH with half assed reasons hand in hand with another confirmed mafia. When we were debating between the lynch of the two I would say the mafia swayed that to try to get pandain to live a little longer, when coagulation was dead in the water. While all this is going on we can see plenty of posts from coagulation (from early days) recommending that we check all the mayoral candidates. The reason for this I would assume is because they knew he wouldn't come back as red. When pandain gets called out after the Coagulation lynch he keeps saying let me live and check me while claiming the most easy to fake town role. When he manages to live the next day he continues being aggressive as shit against Kita along with Ace while revealing another alignment check. He is non stop aggressive until he can't be anymore. Pandain's behavior is typical of a player who isn't entirely familiar with how to play mafia and just runs gungho pointing fingers at everyone, I imagine he felt even more secure after being spared a day and knowing that he wouldn't be returned red on a check which is why he continued being aggressive. This is why tomorrow our first lynch is going to be pandain and from there we have a chance. No matter what the fuck happens tomorrow, I don't care if the entire mafia team role claims except for pandain, we fucking kill the guy. NO MORE DISTRACTIONS. This brings me to another suspect now Meapak. I mentioned it in the thread earlier, saving yourself using a role claim is so fucking anti town and doens't prove shit. Look at Pandain as a prime example, the guy is clearly mafia and made us second guess ourselves which cost us him on a double lynch. He was able to make sense of his claim because of how strait forward it was and easy to fake and look where it landed us? Two dead townies and half the town somehow thinking the guy is innocent. Now lets go to meapak, he has been lurking, not really contributing and pops out to defend himself only when he was a lynch candidate. That is typical mafia lurking behavior, and what was his huge defense? "Granny Veteran" A role that lets him have an extra night life, wow that is just about as hard to prove as being a trash collector. I will say that I am not as confident with the meapak vote as I am with pandain but I think it also sets a very important principle. Claiming a role isn't going to save yourself, make your defense save you. Trying to guilt trip the town because they don't want to kill a blue when EVERYONE IS FUCKING BLUE is not fucking town play. Everyone has to understand this, unless there is an actual justifiable reason to claim your role then you shouldn't be doing it. Claiming a role in defense of yourself will from now on be considered auto mafia. Defend yourself with arguments and better candidates and why would you need to claim your role? Unless there are no better candidates. So my next proposed lynch for tomorrow would be mepak because of moderately high levels of suspicion and setting a principle that a role claim isn't going to save you. On November 08 2010 03:31 infinitestory wrote: ok holy shit, i don't think there's any way to make that up This is the exact mentality we are going to be avoiding from now on. The next person is Ace. I think Ace still being alive in and of itself deserves some recognition. But on to valid arguments. Ace was coasting by after a bad band wagon on moderate levels of activity, but the real thing is his spurt of activity truly came when Kitaman called him out. This was really interesting because Ace became extremely aggressive trying to prove a really interesting defense by saying that Kita fucked up his role claim. The reason this is suspicious is because claiming his role right off the bat in this situation serves a purpose, it clears him entirely by justifying why he had killed someone last night while also keeping the town focused on pandain, but instead it degenerates to chaos and a huge fight with distracts the town and throws us off very much and opens up the floodgates of huge spam posts back and forth attacks no one trusting each other and putting us into more disarray. I cannot honestly see how Ace being the player that he is could see the town being more confused and being thrown into more chaos as a positive outcome. The whole situation read very strangely, then on top of that Ace agrees after like 8 pages of intense arguing that he is willing to call a truce after role claiming a vigilante variant which could of saved us a ton of time and pointless arguing if he had done it hours and pages earlier. I think there is a pretty good chance Ace is mafia based off of this, however there is a couple of reasons I doubt it and would hold off his lynch. The first reason to hold off on Ace's lynch is because I don't think Ace is dumb enough to expose himself and pandain by having pandain violently attacking his accuser. Considering they were posting at the same time if they were the same alignment they would of been able to communicate somehow and flag pandain away and tell him to back off or he would be revealing himself, and since I know Ace is good and I am pretty damn sure pandain is mafia I don't see how they can be linked in that sense. It just feels off. The second thing that feels iffy is that there is no counter claim for the death of deconduo which also makes me feel as though Ace may have just gotten overzealous when attacking Kita not entirely realizing the full effects of his actions. On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. I would like to know the specifics of your role unless there is some seriously dire reason you can't reveal it right now, and if so I would like to know when you can reveal more information about it. So that is it, tomorrow whatever the fuck happens you guys make sure we follow what makes sense and stop getting manipulated and distracted. Tomorrow night we hopefully get us two mafia and some more information on the intricacies of Ace's role. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
Also, we have a LOT of investigative role information, and Node's oracling is giving us some good insights too. I think very soon (if not tomorrow), we'll be able to start catching mafia simply by process of elimination. We definitely need to keep that in mind as the blue:red ratio dwindles by the day. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 09 2010 18:07 infinitestory wrote: ^First off, definitely agree with RoL, we've had a shitton of roleclaims and I'm having to look for inconsistencies to figure out which ones are fake. >_______> Also, we have a LOT of investigative role information, and Node's oracling is giving us some good insights too. I think very soon (if not tomorrow), we'll be able to start catching mafia simply by process of elimination. We definitely need to keep that in mind as the blue : red ratio dwindles by the day. ebwop because smiley | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
sorry for not voting again, i have no internet at home >< why'd hyperbola get lynched, that was a bit random guess we'll just have to wait 'til day and the probable murrayitis explosion | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 09 2010 18:23 youngminii wrote: wait wtf HOW DID PANDAIN NOT GET LYNCHED? because im not mafia -,.- I swear, I want to hear REASONS why I'm mafia not just vauge "he's agressive...." | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
The reasons why people me lynched: Couldn't confirm my role. Could be godfather, even if. Coag seemed to support me. Out of these, only the claim I could be godfather still stands. But you see, that's where it becomes obvious you guys have no real reason to lynch me. Anyone could be godfather. ANYONE. In fact, when dealing with a possible godfather, the only choice you have is to look at my actions. A while ago, people said they were gonig to analyze my posts. They never really did. Trust me, I ask of you to look through my posts, and you will realize I played with the best intentions in hand. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
Why are we going on the assumption that there is a godfather role? RoL, if that is your only argument about Pandain being mafia, then that is weak. We can't just assume stuff that might not even be true and lynch based on that. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
The argument against pandain is typical mafia aggression, convenient lynches yesterday and chaos that caused him to live and two innocent people to get lynched. When hunting for mafia you don't just look at the behavior as one, you have to assume the town is getting manipulated and see who that manipulation benefited the most, especially on a double lynch that dodged all mafia deaths on day 4. Pandain has continued his aggression and was supported by coagulation while double attacking DrH. A strong mafia tell is defending your partner by attacking his attacker, its the same shit. He is just hiding behind a facade of being a half useful detective role which magically has not turned up a mafia role yet, how I am not surprised? If you seriously want to make me do it and explaining the above twice isn't enough to go off of I will do the analysis but it will take a lot of time that I don't think I need to spend on him. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
Infundibulum: Checked town by DT Pandain: Checked town by DT Infinitestory: Checked town by DT Amber[LighT]: Checked town by DT (i think?) Ace: sort-of claimed a sort-of vigilante hit on deconduo Node: Claimed Oracle let me know if i forgot anyone + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Election] + Doctorhelvetica: 14 LunarDestiny Node* Meapak_Ziphh Veldril Amber[LighT]* Kenpachi Masq (L) Ace* infundibulum* youngminii Pandain: 3 Nemesis Pandain* DCLXVI: 1 kingjames01: 1 annul: 1 kitaman27: 1 kitaman27 Glasse: 1 Glasse infinitestory: 1 infinitestory* ghrur (Beneather: 1 NB: 1 NB Not voted yet: 3 lol1221 (RoL), + Show Spoiler [Day 2 Votes] + Day 2 - Final votes Ace* youngminii DoctorHelvetica +Mayor Vote Amber[LighT] Kitaman27 infundibulum* Node* LunarDestiny Youngminii: 8 Meapak_Ziphh infinitestory* Kenpachi RebirthOfLegend Nemesis NB Veldril CubEdIn: 1 L DoctorHelvetica: 1 Glasse Glasse: 1 Node: 1 ghrur (Beneather): 1 Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote ( Still to vote: 3 Pandain (Negated), Divinek, Misder, Fishball Aeres to be lynched, Divinek, Misder and Fishball to be modkilled. + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + Pandain (10) Youngminii Kenpachi infundibulum* Meapak_Ziphh LunarDestiny L Kitaman27 Coagulation (15) Lynched infinitestory Node* Nemesis Ace* Pandain* Veldril NB ROL Glasse SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE Hyperbola (1) Amber[Light]* Double Lynch has passed + Show Spoiler [Day 4 Votes] + Hyperbola (9) RebirthOfLeGenD Amber[LighT]* NB Meapak_Ziphh Node* Nemesis LunarDestiny Ace* KtheZ (7)* Nemesis Veldril Pandain NB kitaman27 L Pandain (7) youngminii RebirthOfLeGenD Kenpachi infinitestory* Ace* Infundibulum* Ace (5) Node* LunarDestiny Glasse Kenpachi Pandain* Kenpachi (4) Meapak_Ziphh Glasse Amber[LighT]* kitaman27 Meapak_Ziphh (2) infinitestory* Veldril Nemesis (2) L Infundibulum* kitaman27 (1) KtheZ NB (1) NB Double Lynch (9/9) RebirthOfLeGenD Pandain* Node Amber[LighT]* Nemesis Glasse LunarDestiny Infundibulum* Players who need to vote twice (1) youngminii *lynched because he reached 7 votes first. Youngminii will be spared as he did make one vote. Hyperbola and KtheZ to be lynched. Last edit: 2010-11-09 09:24:35 Double lynch activated for day 5. I accidentally posted this in the voting thread at first. up to mods if i should leave it there or if it can be deleted | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 10 2010 04:45 Infundibulum wrote: I accidentally posted this in the voting thread at first. up to mods if i should leave it there or if it can be deleted I'll give you permission to edit it if you want. If you want to keep it there, I don't care. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 10 2010 02:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol I think its a logical assumption that there is a godfather in this game. There is a bunch of power roles, I would imagine getting a bunch of power roles for mafia involved a godfather, and no that is not the only argument against pandain. Do I seriously have to do an analysis on him? Is everyone's recall that bad? The argument against pandain is typical mafia aggression, convenient lynches yesterday and chaos that caused him to live and two innocent people to get lynched. When hunting for mafia you don't just look at the behavior as one, you have to assume the town is getting manipulated and see who that manipulation benefited the most, especially on a double lynch that dodged all mafia deaths on day 4. Pandain has continued his aggression and was supported by coagulation while double attacking DrH. A strong mafia tell is defending your partner by attacking his attacker, its the same shit. He is just hiding behind a facade of being a half useful detective role which magically has not turned up a mafia role yet, how I am not surprised? If you seriously want to make me do it and explaining the above twice isn't enough to go off of I will do the analysis but it will take a lot of time that I don't think I need to spend on him. So if you believe i'm godfather, than their are only two investigative roles in the game. And you think that warrants the definite conclusion there is a godfather? And you're blaming me for the lynches yesterday? Who did you vote again? Oh yeah, hyperbola. Let me make something about me straight: If I think someone is scum, I will pressure them until the ends of the earth. No one defended KtheZ, not at all. I can take that to believe everyone felt as I did. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I honestly have no idea how KtheZ got lynched to be honest. As far as my vote on Hyperbola goes, it seemed like a good lynch and I wasn't hear to see all the band wagoning and lack of resistance against it, or maybe I would of thought twice, however I doubt it. I also voted for you if you remember, and I blame the chaos of the day for letting you get off the hook. I was busy and didn't get to catch up until the day actually ended and here we are. The thing is, if you think someone is scum you have to be open to the possibility that they are not as well, usually that doesn't lead to such an extreme level of aggression. Being overly aggressive like you have been is a clear mafia tell, and yes you can say you would pursue anyone to the ends of the earth but keep in mind I have played with you before and I know that is bullshit. In team melee mafia you posted a pretty good analysis but let the mafia team dismiss it and continue running the town. So saying that you are always aggressive when you believe someone is mafia is a load of shit. You attacked people multiple times this game with half an idea in your head and just continued ramming into a wall hoping to cause an effect, and in previous games when you actually put thought and time into something you don't even pressure your opinion and your thoughts, you just let yourself get ignored then killed the following night. Does that really sound consistent with what you are saying? | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 09 2010 18:23 youngminii wrote: wait wtf HOW DID PANDAIN NOT GET LYNCHED? some weird shit happened and pandain made a bandwagon on the innocent DT who confirmed him while a completely unjustified bandwagon formed around hyperbola | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
KILL PANDAIN | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On November 10 2010 05:35 infinitestory wrote: *ebwop: i mean completely unjustified in the sense that meapak was a legitly better lynch, and a lot of people decided to just ignore that fact >_______> Wow you really seem to have it in for me X_X. Actually you and RoL both seem to think I'm red which is unfourtunate given that you two seem to be running the show right now. I voted for hyperbola as a throw away lynch, I have no idea where the bandwagon came from. Actually both of my lynches yesterday were throw away because the massive shitfest made it so really unclear what was going on. I agree that Pandain is red and I'm still unsure how he's still alive, he's escaped like two lynches now. I alo think it was retarded to lynch KtheZ and if you're looking for lynch suspects I'd start looking at those who voted for him. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
if you want to burn a lynch vote, put it on yourself | ||
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