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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 06 2010 02:56 GMT
#3201
On November 06 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
coagulation isn't good enough to play mind games

Yes, but you are forgetting that his mafia buddies could be telling him what to say.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
November 06 2010 03:03 GMT
#3202
On November 06 2010 11:56 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
coagulation isn't good enough to play mind games

Yes, but you are forgetting that his mafia buddies could be telling him what to say.

How many times have you been scum and your scum buddies have dictated every single thing you say? Not many, most times they would let you do what you want.
lalala
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 06 2010 03:37 GMT
#3203
On November 06 2010 12:03 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 11:56 Nemesis wrote:
On November 06 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
coagulation isn't good enough to play mind games

Yes, but you are forgetting that his mafia buddies could be telling him what to say.

How many times have you been scum and your scum buddies have dictated every single thing you say? Not many, most times they would let you do what you want.


I've never been scum myself but i feel that if they know someone sucks ass they could tell him to not talk much and tell him what to answer to posts against him?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 06 2010 03:54 GMT
#3204
meh

depends on if the person will listen

i remember ghrur in the last mafia game would almost never post until he was instructed what to say by mafia
RIP Aaliyah
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
November 06 2010 04:29 GMT
#3205
yeah but i don't think coag's the type of person who would be like "tell me what to do plz"

plus he's posting an awful lot for someone that waits for someone to tell him everything he says
lalala
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 06 2010 04:34 GMT
#3206
i agree
RIP Aaliyah
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
November 06 2010 04:53 GMT
#3207
Alright about this DrH shit lets settle if he is legit confirmed, because I think you are misunderstanding how Lexpar's role works.

His role commits suicide if he protects a mafia, but how would he know the role was a mafia? If I had to guess, I would say his role commits suicide upon a mafia flipping who he had protected. Let's say Lexpar protected Coagulation and he hadn't been modkileld. When Coagulation flipped red THEN he would commit suicide, not right after he protected Coagulation. The reason I argue this is because lets say hypothetically Lexpar would of role checked a godfather, would he die instantly? If he would this would in a sense confirm a role as mafia which shouldn't be able to get confirmed under any condition.

I am posing this question not just as a statement but as a question to the moderator. For Lexpar's suicide to activate, would the mafia have to be flipped by either a lynch or a night kill on the mafia?

I don't like hearing people shouting about 100% innocent unless we have a real reason to think it. Besides that I have no fucking idea what you think you are doing DrH, why would you completely back off Pandain? It just doesn't make sense for you to go after two targets who are much less suspicious then Pandain for so many reasons. I don't see why you would think infinitestory would sacrifice coagulation so randomly, it is a really ballsy mafia move but usually it is done with some reason.

You are being stupid in this respect. We should question his claim further after his next check. The reason I say this is because what you said has a moderate amount of merit, but not enough. The reason I say that is because his first check is something that he wouldn't need to justify with a role description, but his second claim is. The other reason I would mark this inconsistent is because he can't expect to keep "faking" this role unless he is outing MORE of his mafia members, or if he is some sort of mafia detective. Which in this game type doesn't seem completely unfeasible, but you haven't presented that as a possibility.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 06 2010 04:57 GMT
#3208
I think it is what it says, if he protects a mafia he dies. Why would he say the things he said if that wasn't the case? His role doesn't specify anything about flipping, you're going on a weird tangent.

I guess Pandain is still the best choice. I'm not sure if I'd rather see hyperbola or nemesis lynched though.
RIP Aaliyah
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
November 06 2010 05:14 GMT
#3209
I could be reading too much into wording but I was focusing on the doctor being consumed with guilt.
He shouldn't be consumed by guilt unless he knows hes mafia, so therefore it should require a flip or a rolechecking ability. I could of read too much into it but it was worth posing as a mod question.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 06 2010 09:02 GMT
#3210
At the very least, Lexpar believed that if he protected a mafia he would die immediately -- there was virtually no way DocH was dying night 1 (as Lexpar was protecting him), so it was very unlikely that the "flip" condition would be met.

I'm worried about who is going to die tonight. There's a lot of potential to damage town quite a bit, and we definitely seem to have a real plan swinging into motion.
whole lies with a half smile
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 06 2010 09:44 GMT
#3211
On November 06 2010 10:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Wow so DocH says:
"I.S. is my #1 suspect"
--why?
"Wait, let me read through his posts to find out"
He faked his role by offering up another mafia teammate, sure. The way someone becomes #1 suspect is to find mafia.
What is this shit?


I thought about this while I went to sleep last night.

It's possible that IS is red, and he totally made up his role. There's nothing to prove otherwise, other than the fact that he gave us a mafia to lynch.

However, Coag didn't have a very useful role. Not totally useless, but not very useful either. So think about the following investigations.

He could just say that he randomly DTed X, Y, Z (on separate days ofc) and they are all townies (while in fact, they being mafia), and if we started believing him now, we'll be in deep trouble if he manages to protect his allies.

That being said though, it's kind-of a long shot, and I wouldn't go as far as to vote for him to be lynched. Not even close.

The main down-sides of his plan? It takes a bit long, and he can't cover the person who's being targeted by the town, because it would seem obvious. So, given that there are 6 mafia left, assuming that he's one of them, he would still need at least 5 nights to cover all of them. If we use double-lynch again, that means we'll have killed 6 to 7 people.

Again, maybe mafia did this because people were starting to zone in on the members and they needed a way out, the possibilities are endless, but let's just take it with a grain of salt and see what happens next before we go say that he's "the #1 suspect", and risk causing a bandwagon on him.

I mean, what if he lucks out and gets another red tonight? Do we still lynch him?

Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
November 06 2010 15:01 GMT
#3212
I feel stupid. This is what I get for living a life of extremes. All the sex, drugs, parties, and explosions got in the way. Sorry guys :X

GG
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 06 2010 15:23 GMT
#3213
On November 06 2010 13:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am posing this question not just as a statement but as a question to the moderator. For Lexpar's suicide to activate, would the mafia have to be flipped by either a lynch or a night kill on the mafia?

The moment he would protect a mafia member, he would have died.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 06 2010 15:57 GMT
#3214
Alright, so whats the plan? here's what I think:
1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me.

2.Medics need to protect people in this order:
1.Dr. H
2. Infinite
3.Me(if you don't think I'm red )
4.NB
5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...)
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
November 06 2010 16:24 GMT
#3215
On November 07 2010 00:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 13:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am posing this question not just as a statement but as a question to the moderator. For Lexpar's suicide to activate, would the mafia have to be flipped by either a lynch or a night kill on the mafia?

The moment he would protect a mafia member, he would have died.

And by "The moment he would protect a mafia member," Artanis means "At the end of a night wherein Lexpar's night action was to attempt to protect a mafia member," (he does not actually protect the mafia member, he dies instead).
Uff Da
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 06 2010 16:37 GMT
#3216
On November 06 2010 18:44 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2010 10:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Wow so DocH says:
"I.S. is my #1 suspect"
--why?
"Wait, let me read through his posts to find out"
He faked his role by offering up another mafia teammate, sure. The way someone becomes #1 suspect is to find mafia.
What is this shit?


I thought about this while I went to sleep last night.

It's possible that IS is red, and he totally made up his role. There's nothing to prove otherwise, other than the fact that he gave us a mafia to lynch.

However, Coag didn't have a very useful role. Not totally useless, but not very useful either. So think about the following investigations.

He could just say that he randomly DTed X, Y, Z (on separate days ofc) and they are all townies (while in fact, they being mafia), and if we started believing him now, we'll be in deep trouble if he manages to protect his allies.

That being said though, it's kind-of a long shot, and I wouldn't go as far as to vote for him to be lynched. Not even close.

The main down-sides of his plan? It takes a bit long, and he can't cover the person who's being targeted by the town, because it would seem obvious. So, given that there are 6 mafia left, assuming that he's one of them, he would still need at least 5 nights to cover all of them. If we use double-lynch again, that means we'll have killed 6 to 7 people.

Again, maybe mafia did this because people were starting to zone in on the members and they needed a way out, the possibilities are endless, but let's just take it with a grain of salt and see what happens next before we go say that he's "the #1 suspect", and risk causing a bandwagon on him.

I mean, what if he lucks out and gets another red tonight? Do we still lynch him?



Until I remembered how he fished for his role way way early in the game. IS isn't mafia.
RIP Aaliyah
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 06 2010 16:47 GMT
#3217
I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do. Although we might be able to figure out what that role could do just by its name, so I'm not sure I'm up for that plan. But if he can find a way to make the person confirm that he is telling the truth, then it might work.

Since we have double lynch next day phase, we need to start talking about who we are planning to lynch.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
November 06 2010 17:04 GMT
#3218
On November 07 2010 00:57 Pandain wrote:
Alright, so whats the plan? here's what I think:
1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me.

2.Medics need to protect people in this order:
1.Dr. H
2. Infinite
3.Me(if you don't think I'm red )
4.NB
5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...)


Why would meds protect a vet? It's pretty obvious that the mafia team isn't targeting vet players. There's almost a backwards scheme to their killing.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 06 2010 17:26 GMT
#3219
Also, why would the mafia hit you (Pandain)? You're one of the prime suspects in tomorrow's lynching. Why waste a hit on you if you're blue? Just saying.

Also, @ Nemesis' "I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do."

If he were red, he could just tell us that a fellow mafia is blue, and that fellow mafia would go "yeah he's right, I am -random role-". Both confirmed = win?
It's a fairly easy role to fake, but I don't think he faked it. But we'll see as the game moves on.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 06 2010 17:36 GMT
#3220
On November 07 2010 02:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 00:57 Pandain wrote:
Alright, so whats the plan? here's what I think:
1.Dt/alignment cop, if you can, is too check me.

2.Medics need to protect people in this order:
1.Dr. H
2. Infinite
3.Me(if you don't think I'm red )
4.NB
5.Other vets(Ace, Infunidiblum, L, etc...)


Why would meds protect a vet? It's pretty obvious that the mafia team isn't targeting vet players. There's almost a backwards scheme to their killing.


Which is why they are the 5th choice.

On November 07 2010 02:26 CubEdIn wrote:
Also, why would the mafia hit you (Pandain)? You're one of the prime suspects in tomorrow's lynching. Why waste a hit on you if you're blue? Just saying.

Also, @ Nemesis' "I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do."

If he were red, he could just tell us that a fellow mafia is blue, and that fellow mafia would go "yeah he's right, I am -random role-". Both confirmed = win?
It's a fairly easy role to fake, but I don't think he faked it. But we'll see as the game moves on.


that is true. However, they may just want to kill me now so then I can't give you any more info. But that is a valid point.
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