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On October 31 2010 08:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I have to reexamine everything now that Orgolove has flipped town. I'm a bit surprised he was so intent on attacking me in this case but I suppose he was indeed very dissatisfied with the way I had modded the previous game. On October 31 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:
@Infundibulum: Let a Detective investigate them. I'd be willing to bet that the mafia would put godfather on whoever ran. I've PM'd him many many times to keep his personal grudge to himself, as it would only hurt us at the end, but seems he really really hates you. He just PM'd me now, saying "Whatever. I'm sick of that !@#$ -_-" What have you done DH? Artanis was so hasty to mod-kill too. Now this really changes a lot of stuff for me 
I didn't do a damn thing to him. He's really upset about how I handled Haunted Mafia against. I really only made a single mistake that affected the game in any way which was lynching MetalFace instead of Kenpachi because my vote counting software was bugged.
his fault for not having the maturity to control it.
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I would request that a plague doctor visit the first person I confirm to check the possibility of my role being "insane"
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My current top choice is SiNiquity.
If you have the abililty to put me in your circle Fishball I request you do so. I have quite a bit I'd like to discuss with you that I'd prefer mafia not have the ability to read.
When the time is right they are things I would come out to the town with.
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bumatlarge claims he has that power
I say bumatlarge you should come out publicly with who you're going to convert into the circle first so it can be confirmed.
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also the mafia just voted for me
On October 31 2010 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional Mafia vote: ##DoctorHelvetica
Artanis confirmed to me this is a real vote.
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On October 31 2010 08:18 Pandain wrote:
Alright, I decided Dr. H would be a better mayor than me. I did somewhat get caught up in my own ego and emotion and realized during the Rally to restore Sanity and/or Fear that, if he can really confirm himself to be 100% town, that I would trust him above myself.
As for that mafia vote, I think it's just a ploy to make people disbelieve him. This is what really stuck with me, why would they do that when they know he would already win? I think it's just a poor/desperate play.
Don't let me down Dr. H.,
Not a desperate play. Why would mafia put their 1 useless vote behind their own candidate. The only sensible choice it to put it on the largest bandwagon in this case, especially if they can twist it to make me look bad.
I find it odd you're trying to play down your candidacy now when it's pretty clear I've won the election at this point. Why bother?
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On October 31 2010 08:19 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
bumatlarge claims he has that power
I say bumatlarge you should come out publicly with who you're going to convert into the circle first so it can be confirmed. No, he shouldn't. His power is pretty much being a converting Mason. Part of what makes him so powerful is the fact that Scum don't know who his partners are. If he really does have that ability then let him do his own thing.
until he converts a scum and they all know who his partners are and we know none
at some point, there needs to be a claim. at least as soon as there is suspicion of mafia being in the circle.
That's how I feel. I'm ok with him not claiming right away. I think a detective should investigate bumatlarge moreso than any of our candidates though.
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Just talked to Artanis about godfather mechanics. There is not necessarily a godfather in this game.
If the godfather does exist, he can make up ANY role. He does not have to choose a role that exists. For instance he could choose "butter" or "fhtagn".
I feel like the Godfather may not exist. I feel it is likely that there are are insane cops in this game and considering the mayoral power has been reduced (so that rolechecks still work), it seems that maybe information roles would be weakened to balance this out? This is pretty much just speculation, but its something to think about.
Artanis can confirm this. If the Godfather exists (which he may not) he can choose any made up role. Artanis and LSB are the ONLY people who know the names of the roles in the game.
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On October 31 2010 08:24 Ace wrote:
Why would bumatlarge reveal who is in his circle to other people? All he has to do is coordinate information. If he recruits a Scum into his circle then all they'll know is that bumatlarge recruited them - not the identity of any other person in the circle.
I'm fine with a Detective investigating bum though.
That's not necessarily the case. Why would you assume that person wouldn't know who else was in the circle.
Bum, does your power give them to PM you or PM you and the list of people you have already converted?
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On October 31 2010 08:22 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:also the mafia just voted for me On October 31 2010 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional Mafia vote: ##DoctorHelvetica Artanis confirmed to me this is a real vote. If this is true (Artanis please confirm), then you should stop and think. Why does the Mafia want me to be Mayor instead of the others? Why not Fishball? (2nd closest candidate) What do they have up their sleeves? You should rally your votes over to me imo.
I am seriously considering it. I wish I could talk to you in PM about it.
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When Orgolove died this is how I felt immediately.
Fishball is more than likely a town player.
Mafia bandwagoners are likely the ones that switched their votes from Fishball to me, knowing that his role was very powerful as mayor and that other townies were already attacking me doing their work for them.
But part of me feels very uncomfortable about it. I'm not going to drop out of the election. I do think my voters should seriously reconsider voting for Fishball.
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On October 31 2010 08:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:24 Ace wrote:
Why would bumatlarge reveal who is in his circle to other people? All he has to do is coordinate information. If he recruits a Scum into his circle then all they'll know is that bumatlarge recruited them - not the identity of any other person in the circle.
I'm fine with a Detective investigating bum though. That's not necessarily the case. Why would you assume that person wouldn't know who else was in the circle.Bum, does your power give them to PM you or PM you and the list of people you have already converted? How could they know if bum doesn't tell them? o.0
If they are given the power to PM others in that circle, they would obviously need to know who is in that circle. It's possible that Bumatlarge conducts the actiont hrough Artanis who also relays the members of the circle something like
"Bumatlarge has brought you into x circle you can now pm
player x
player y
player z"
that would seem sensible to me. I'd like bum to respond about this.
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On October 31 2010 08:35 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
When Orgolove died this is how I felt immediately.
Fishball is more than likely a town player.
Mafia bandwagoners are likely the ones that switched their votes from Fishball to me, knowing that his role was very powerful as mayor and that other townies were already attacking me doing their work for them.
But part of me feels very uncomfortable about it. I'm not going to drop out of the election. I do think my voters should seriously reconsider voting for Fishball. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
sorry i can't make up my mind artanis
##Unelect Fishball
##Elect DoctorHelvetica explain?
because that was when i decided to run
I'm look more specifically at later votes in this case. mafia will spread their votes around, determine where the town bandwagon is going, then jump accordingly
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On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.
SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.
I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.
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On October 31 2010 08:42 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
When Orgolove died this is how I felt immediately.
Fishball is more than likely a town player.
Mafia bandwagoners are likely the ones that switched their votes from Fishball to me, knowing that his role was very powerful as mayor and that other townies were already attacking me doing their work for them.
But part of me feels very uncomfortable about it. I'm not going to drop out of the election. I do think my voters should seriously reconsider voting for Fishball. Just wondering, have you given any thought to this situation? Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:27 Aeres wrote:On October 31 2010 08:22 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:also the mafia just voted for me On October 31 2010 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional Mafia vote: ##DoctorHelvetica Artanis confirmed to me this is a real vote. If this is true (Artanis please confirm), then you should stop and think. Why does the Mafia want me to be Mayor instead of the others? Why not Fishball? (2nd closest candidate) What do they have up their sleeves? You should rally your votes over to me imo. It's possible that the scum voter in question wasn't aware that his alignment would be revealed upon voting, and simply thought that taking the confirmed election winner as a vote would be the least suspicious action. This could really mean nothing, especially since this announcement seems to be confined to a single scum role; otherwise, we'd have nine [red] statements in that voting thread instead of the one. Given the isolation of the vote, it's not unreasonable to think that this event is a fluke that was not expected by the voter. Of course, it's best not to rule out any possibilities. You're right in that the Doc needs to evaluate why the Mafia would vote for him, but perhaps shifting votes to you is a bit rash. Not saying I'm against you being Mayor, but we shouldn't be hasty over something we don't yet understand. It seems kinda defeatist to willingly cede votes to another when you've all but clinched the election. I can't really think of any way that Mafia could manipulate the Mayor, short of having some crazy-ass "remote-control" role that allows the user to choose the night action the target does. That possibility is unlikely anyway, so I don't feel it warrants surrendering your lead.
I am considering the situation you just brought up and considering this booger thing there might be something to it.
I'm not conceding to Fishball, I'm recognizing his legitimacy as a candidate. I feel people should really evaluate their vote and make a decision.
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On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D
Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.
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On October 31 2010 08:48 infinitestory wrote:btw guys Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:59 infinitestory wrote:
WHAT THE-
things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists
#2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM
#3 fuck. any thoughts? Read artanis' orgolove-modkill post carefully: he notes that even thought the role PM states a 10% chance of killing the target, he reveals that it's actually a 0% chance.
this puts us all under equal suspicion of insanity though does it not?
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On October 31 2010 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 09:01 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts: 1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation. 2.I'm one of the running canidates. Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me. The fact that people voted for you without sufficient explanation is exactly why you are under suspicion. What reason would they have to vote for you at all? There were plenty of candidates that started running (myself and ghrur to name a couple off the top of my head) that got no votes. Why would they choose you without any good reason to?
I'm more concerned with the way he just handed the election to me after it was clear I was winning, when he was so critical of me before, and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
wut?
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On October 31 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote:
LOL THE BOOGER.
well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia?
also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~
no obviously not
now that you're here wanna discuss the matter at hand:
who should be lynched
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Pandain can you confirm your role if you are not elected and if it is a role that confirms itself to a single other player I would request you confirm it to me. I won't roleclaim for you but I'll confirm your innocence to the town.
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