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On October 31 2010 05:09 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 01:01 DCLXVI wrote:Fishball - I still think that you are safe enough within your circle [What? Elaborate, not a blanket statement. If you seriously bring up that Medic/Mayor question again, I'll lose it]and I would rather have you as a back up leader since we cannot be sure of the security of your circle. [I think I know what you mean, but if you compare the first sentence and this, it doesn't really make sense at all. "You're safe in the circle! But we can't trust the security of the circle!"]once a few people die in it we can scrutinize the few remaining for a mafia. [This was already briefly discussed on page 29 and 30.]I still don't understand why all of you don't want to reveal yourselves. If there is a mafia in the circle - highly likely I think - then the mafia knows all of you anyways. [Possible Mafia in the circle would means he know who are the members, but not their respective roles and abilities. Are you implying we should come out with our roles and abilities, or just simply requesting everyone in the circle to come out? If it is the former, then that would be retarded. If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here]You are just withholding information from the town for what purpose? [Withholding what information? If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above. Besides that, the only thing I'm "withholding" now is my role. What else do you want?] My response in red. To be honest, you're either Mafia trying to discredit me, or your reading comprehension is just bad, which baffles me. Even though your post is longer compared to some other players, the points made (at the very least, to me) are either weak, or have been discussed before. Your post falls into this category.
there are a lot of these posts that say nothing with rhetoric designed to make the player look bad without really saying anything that can be thrown back in terms of rebuttal
it worries me
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On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:09 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 01:01 DCLXVI wrote:Fishball - I still think that you are safe enough within your circle [What? Elaborate, not a blanket statement. If you seriously bring up that Medic/Mayor question again, I'll lose it]and I would rather have you as a back up leader since we cannot be sure of the security of your circle. [I think I know what you mean, but if you compare the first sentence and this, it doesn't really make sense at all. "You're safe in the circle! But we can't trust the security of the circle!"]once a few people die in it we can scrutinize the few remaining for a mafia. [This was already briefly discussed on page 29 and 30.]I still don't understand why all of you don't want to reveal yourselves. If there is a mafia in the circle - highly likely I think - then the mafia knows all of you anyways. [Possible Mafia in the circle would means he know who are the members, but not their respective roles and abilities. Are you implying we should come out with our roles and abilities, or just simply requesting everyone in the circle to come out? If it is the former, then that would be retarded. If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here]You are just withholding information from the town for what purpose? [Withholding what information? If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above. Besides that, the only thing I'm "withholding" now is my role. What else do you want?] My response in red. To be honest, you're either Mafia trying to discredit me, or your reading comprehension is just bad, which baffles me. Even though your post is longer compared to some other players, the points made (at the very least, to me) are either weak, or have been discussed before. Your post falls into this category. I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it. You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward. What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.
this is a good point. I made the point earlier that the entirety of the mafia is aware of the circle and its members, thus there is really no reason not to be forward about it. i agree with what you're saying entirely
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On October 31 2010 05:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:One thing I want to point out: On October 31 2010 05:01 Kenpachi wrote:
##Elect DoctorHelvetica From voting thread. Kenpachi has not posted once since the game started. Let's keep a closer eye on lurkers than we did in Haunted. I started a list of lurkers but it's as home, if a list isn't posted by 8 or so tonigh when I get home I'll post mine. Another quick reason why to vote for doc, he's already stated his day one lynch would be youngminii who so far has been the scummiest player.
I no longer feel youngminii is the scummiest.
In fact I would like to hear from every townie who their #1 suspect is of scum, if they have one at all. I would like to hear other peoples opinions. There has been a lot of campaign shitflinging and very little scumhunting of any sort. I don't think the mafia feel very pressured right now.
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On October 31 2010 05:50 Glasse wrote:I made a list with what i think people are. + Show Spoiler +
1. DoctorHelvetica
2. Hyperbola
3. Bumatlarge
4. Veldril
5. Pandain
6. Aeres
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ
25. Orgolove
26. Node
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv
29. BrownBear
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq
32. NB
33. Glasse
34 Misder
35. kingjames01
36. Ace
37. Fishball
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny
your posting is funny and cute but honestly at this point you are shitting up the thread. I'm requesting that you please stop, no one wants to wade through a bunch of your spam and god forbid someone take your current nonsense seriously.
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On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:
TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them. not the smartest thing to say imo :3 In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either: 1) posting but without real content 2) posting hardly at all which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart. also, 1) posting but without real contentthis is a hint .... ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai. just answering this though: so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart? just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"
versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.
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On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1.5 hours to go
Doctorhelvetica: 12
Doctorhelvetica
LunarDestiny
Aeres
jcarlsoniv
Node
SiNiquity
Meapak_Ziphh
Veldril
CubEdIn
Amber[LighT]
Kenpachi
Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6
Bumatlarge
Ace
Lexpar
Divinek
deconduo
infundibulum
Fishball: 5
youngminii
orgolove
Fishball
Misder
KtheZ
Pandain: 3
Nemesis
Coagulation
Pandain
Brownbear: 1
Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1
DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1
kingjames01
annul: 1
annul
kitaman27: 1
kitaman27
Glasse: 1
Glasse
infinitestory: 1
infinitestory
ghrur: 1
ghrur
NB: 1
NB
Not voted yet: 5
Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq
hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys
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On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".
To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books.
My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes.
Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though.
On October 31 2010 06:27 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:
TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them. not the smartest thing to say imo :3 In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either: 1) posting but without real content 2) posting hardly at all which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart. also, 1) posting but without real contentthis is a hint .... ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai. just answering this though: so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart? just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it" versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal. wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid fuck sorry couldn't hold it
What are you talking about? Why is it bad to pressure/force inactives to post? Why would we want people to just stay inactive and get away with it when mafia can just hide amongsts them and never get pressured...
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On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1.5 hours to go
Doctorhelvetica: 12
Doctorhelvetica
LunarDestiny
Aeres
jcarlsoniv
Node
SiNiquity
Meapak_Ziphh
Veldril
CubEdIn
Amber[LighT]
Kenpachi
Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6
Bumatlarge
Ace
Lexpar
Divinek
deconduo
infundibulum
Fishball: 5
youngminii
orgolove
Fishball
Misder
KtheZ
Pandain: 3
Nemesis
Coagulation
Pandain
Brownbear: 1
Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1
DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1
kingjames01
annul: 1
annul
kitaman27: 1
kitaman27
Glasse: 1
Glasse
infinitestory: 1
infinitestory
ghrur: 1
ghrur
NB: 1
NB
Not voted yet: 5
Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)
Oh, I see. I figured it would be something like that.
Made me think of some creepy secret council or something.
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Glasse you are playing this game extremely different than Haunted Mafia in which you are a town aligned blue role. In that game you were very helpful and honest about what you were doing. Now you are antagonistic, refuse to explain anything about what you say, and have taken the mind boggling position that town shouldn't pressure inactives.
What is up with that?
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On October 31 2010 06:35 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".
To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books. My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes. Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though. On October 31 2010 06:27 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:
TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them. not the smartest thing to say imo :3 In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either: 1) posting but without real content 2) posting hardly at all which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart. also, 1) posting but without real contentthis is a hint .... ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai. just answering this though: so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart? just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it" versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal. wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid fuck sorry couldn't hold it What are you talking about? Why is it bad to pressure/force inactives to post? Why would we want people to just stay inactive and get away with it when mafia can just hide amongsts them and never get pressured... Its not! but the "TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them." was not needed and may have fucked up his plan. Just suspecting them and saying it was because they were lurking and stuff was enough to make em talk.
I see what you're saying then. Sorry for misunderstanding you there.
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On October 31 2010 06:39 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes.
Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though.
I wasn't actually directing that at you, it was just a comment about certain voters, but since you said "My only defense", I'll have to bite, right? It was a close win last time, so you ordered Mafia to create a "non-close win" this time to create a diversion! It all makes sense now doesn't it  ? Let the merry-go-round spin on!
Ha, fair enough.
Typically when bandwagons are talked about in mayoral elections I'm seeing it as a soft accusation toward the candidate so I wanted to at least throw that out there. even if you're not accusing me of anything, it is information the mafia can twist and turn into an accusation on me.
I guess being defensive looks bad but I don't think there is any real logic behind a scum mayor creating a landslide win for himself particularly when his post-election strategy would then involve outting the scumteam that voted him in, making the pattern even more clear in the first place.
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On October 31 2010 06:43 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Glasse you are playing this game extremely different than Haunted Mafia in which you are a town aligned blue role. In that game you were very helpful and honest about what you were doing. Now you are antagonistic, refuse to explain anything about what you say, and have taken the mind boggling position that town shouldn't pressure inactives.
What is up with that? It was my first game, i can't try something different? I was planning on being the same but that's no fun for me :3. Unfortunately it looks like you are going to win the election... which could mean that if you think i'm red you will lynch me(I think thats how it works). This is also not fun. I think playing the random/stupid/troll player is fun. Btw, changing the way I play is a way to make you and others unable to analyse my playstyle like you are trying to do right now. I'm pretty sure through my whole "shitting the thread up" part i've been honest, probably not as helpful though, but not having clues is part of that, if you go read my posts back there its mostly about clues  I loved to analyse profiles and stuff. Also i did not say town should not pressure inactive, you just don't get what i'm trying to explain :3
I actually don't think you're red at all. I have an idea in my head about why you're playing the way you are and I actually feel quite safe about it. Although I don't like the spamming ;o
I had you on my list of possible reds for a while when you first started posting erratically but after further examination I'm less inclined to believe that is the case.
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On October 31 2010 06:52 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".
To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books. My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes. That's pretty meta. And wasn't there a certain Dr who said we should stop using meta in arguments?
I'm ok with using meta when it's about the game itself and not something as far fetched as interpretations of the games storyline.
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On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching?
I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town:
orgolove
NB
youngminii
kitaman27
coagulation
that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum.
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On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list
None of the players who voted me have I felt may be scum from their posting history.
Kenpachi, Hyperbola, Veldril, and I believe Cubedin have been inactive in this thread to my distaste. Veldril and CubEdIn were both pretty inactive in Haunted Mafia where they were both town. I'm slightly more worried about Hyperbola and Kenpachi in this case.
However, I'd rather lynch an active mafia suspect for now than an inactive one.
I previously suspected Meapak_Ziphh but I don't really have a feeling for him on my radar now.
To be clear, I'm talking about lynch considerations and not people I suspect who may be mafia, so I'm not including inactives who have voted for me. I am sure that between kenpachi, hyperbola, veldril, cubedin, and whatever other inactives voted for mere there are 1 or 2 mafia hiding in the bandwagon.
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On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity?
I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch.
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Artanis told me he would like my top 3 candidates rather than my 1st. There are situations in which my top candidate may not be lynched and he would have to default to second choice.
I think this would be information I should share with the town.
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On October 31 2010 07:06 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though.
Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts.
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On October 31 2010 07:08 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. you put in that list those people who you had personal conflict with and has nothing to do with the whole town. Typical Mafia action type. Since you most likely gona be mayor, it would said no more but the way you play the role is mostly "for your own goods" and i have to admitt that i dont like it. Its either gona be just like last game where you are mafia and accuse me for having mafia action or you are planing to kill 5 people base on the fact that you DONT LIKE them. oh well
I never had a conflict with youngminii, we voted for the same candidate !!!
Who do you suspect of being scum outside of that. I'm willing to listen to your list of suspects but right now it just looks like you're defending them and yourself by attacking me ;o
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On October 31 2010 07:09 Ace wrote:
Just because some of them heavily disagreed with you doesn't mean you should lynch them. It's Day 1, you don't have any information beyond your suspicions. Don't lynch an active player unless they've done something extremely scummy to the point that most of the town can agree on it.
Of your 5 listed players:
Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later.
So lynch an inactive like Kenpachi you think?
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