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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 20 2010 21:53 GMT
#621
Basically from the way we were discussing things with each other I think the way he acted makes it impossible for him to be mafia. IMO if he is he is a genius of the highest order, or I am gullable

. I'm usually quite paranoid as to who might be mafia in games when I'm town (i rlly suspected Hesmyrr might be godfather for example) but when it comes to reading people as town I personally think im usually quite a good judge.
Adonai bless
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 20 2010 22:47 GMT
#622
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,

it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.

Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 21 2010 00:16 GMT
#623
On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.

It seems there is only one way to solve this.

Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.

Make it happen!

BW4LYFE


On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,

it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.


Okay, I believe that
There is no mafia
What is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party"
I believe that there is no informed third party.

So lets look at the List of Roles
Bear (Third Party)
Fraudster (Third Party)
Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is)
Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role)

The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire.
But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange.
(There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.)

Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming.
It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia.
x.x

I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 21 2010 13:57 GMT
#624
On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.

It seems there is only one way to solve this.

Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.

Make it happen!

BW4LYFE


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,

it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.


Okay, I believe that
There is no mafia
What is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party"
I believe that there is no informed third party.

So lets look at the List of Roles
Bear (Third Party)
Fraudster (Third Party)
Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is)
Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role)

The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire.
But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange.
(There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.)

Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming.
It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia.
x.x

I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia


What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed.

I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 21 2010 16:16 GMT
#625
On September 21 2010 22:57 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:
On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.

It seems there is only one way to solve this.

Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.

Make it happen!

BW4LYFE


On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,

it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.


Okay, I believe that
There is no mafia
What is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party"
I believe that there is no informed third party.

So lets look at the List of Roles
Bear (Third Party)
Fraudster (Third Party)
Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is)
Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role)

The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire.
But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange.
(There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.)

Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming.
It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia.
x.x

I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia


What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed.

I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.


I agree with this entirely, my only edit would be altering the name "Deconduo" for "LSB" but either works.

LSB if you actually mean what you said then there is not support a lynch irrespective of who.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 21 2010 16:19 GMT
#626
*actually mean what you said then there is no reason to not support a lynch irrespective of who.

There are two possibilities really, non-mafia third party (non-mafia third parties win objectives do not clash with the towns) or a mafia alligned player. As you don't think the latter is true then you should be lynching.

That said I think it's fairly obvious the latter is true, but as you don't then you don't have an argument for voting no.
Adonai bless
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 21 2010 23:51 GMT
#627
On September 21 2010 22:57 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:
On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.

It seems there is only one way to solve this.

Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.

Make it happen!

BW4LYFE


On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,

it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.


Okay, I believe that
There is no mafia
What is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party"
I believe that there is no informed third party.

So lets look at the List of Roles
Bear (Third Party)
Fraudster (Third Party)
Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is)
Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role)

The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire.
But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange.
(There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.)

Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming.
It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia.
x.x

I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia


What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed.


By mafia I mean an Informed minority that decides during the night who to kill.
I think that everyone is third party. Just some are third party aligned with mafia.

This means that I wouldn't know that Pandian was traitor. And Rasta/Xelin wouldn't know that Lakris was Vampire

This is why I'm not so sure that you guys (Rasta/Xelin) are town.


I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.

The problem is, I know that Deconduo is town. So really, we kind of are at a stalemate. Now we just need to know how to break it.

I'm not just going to lynch someone for the sake of Lynching. I don't know what you are doing that. If you think I'm mafia, why aren't you trying to lynch me?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 21 2010 23:53 GMT
#628
##Revive
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 22 2010 00:01 GMT
#629
Uh, is that a joke?
BTW, who do you support? I want to know who to kill... I mean, I want to know your opinion.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 22 2010 00:45 GMT
#630
Night
As you may have already surmised, deconduo survives
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 22 2010 01:20 GMT
#631
Waits 24 hrs
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 22 2010 22:21 GMT
#632
I think it makes sense for the last role left to be a traitor. It means that it was 3-3-9 maf/3rd/town which seems pretty fair.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 23 2010 01:10 GMT
#633
Interesting, that might mean that there is no way for the traitor to win.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 23 2010 03:27 GMT
#634
game needs more posting.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 23 2010 23:55 GMT
#635
Oh, just spotted this when rereading. Makes me pretty sure theres only a traitor left and he doesn't have a night action.

On September 17 2010 14:17 Caller wrote:
If there are any night actions please PM me.

XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 24 2010 03:40 GMT
#636
traitor makes sense, it would explain LSB's way of playing that he is a traitor and refusing to lynch you decon, if he lynches you (technically good for his win objective) he knows full well me and rasta will instantly lynch him. If he were mafia it wouldn't matter as he could agree to lynching you and then go ahead and kil either me or rasta in the night stage securing a win. Yet he can't so traitor role makes sense.

This is now a game of "wait until deconduo realises he should lynch LSB"

The possibility of decon being traitor and LSB being townie is there, but in my eyes the traitor is definately LSB.
Adonai bless
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 24 2010 10:06 GMT
#637
Lol, me and LSB came to the conclusion that the game is now 'wait until rasta realises he should lynch Xelin'
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 24 2010 13:09 GMT
#638
sneak sneak sneak
At least the game has met solid conclusion for me, you unlucky survivors.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 24 2010 18:52 GMT
#639
You don't think if I was a traitor I would have played the WORST game in history?

Fakerole PM: "You are a traitor your sided with the mafia blah blah"

Me :D "I know ! ! ! ! 1 For my first act of traitorismlificationisation, I'll go inactive for most of the start of the game, and then, I'll swoop into the game and make a series of well founded accusations against one of the most likely mafia players left in this. That way were sure to win!!!"

If I was mafia the idea of me sacrificing lakris in order to gain legitimacy at least is plausible, If, as you claim, you believe there to only be a traitor left then it's not plausible and errs on the side of ignorant stupidity (in a nice non offensive way, not saying YOU are ignorant and stupid just the conclusion you've reached ^^)

Tbh I shouldn't assume LSB is the last, quite frankly it could easily be you decon but overall I think LSB's style of play seems to me more consistent with a traitor role, his not lynching you in and of itself is telling enough, but I mean looking back at his posting earlier in the thread.

Cliffnotes: Idiotic conclusions reached, still waiting on the one remaining town out of LSB and Decon to reach an epiphany.
Adonai bless
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 24 2010 21:34 GMT
#640
Is it day yet?
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