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lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
September 30 2010 14:42 GMT
#661
Wow Im glad I died in this game..
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 30 2010 17:18 GMT
#662
On September 30 2010 23:42 lakrismamma wrote:
Wow Im glad I died in this game..

I am jealous
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 17:47:39
September 30 2010 17:45 GMT
#663
Fellow Comrades! Comrade Caller's artistic genius yet astounds me again. In masterful stroke of ingenuity, he perfectly mimics the inept and delay-prone nature of communist institutions, allowing the participants to immerse themselves greater into this awe-inspiring spirit of Soviet Russia, making themselves feel just as if there are on this frustrating island themselves! What a masterpiece, what an amazing the mod this Comrade is turning out to be! For sticking with theme of Soviet Russia without being tempted by those efficient but ruthless nature of capitalist scums, we graciously award this hero of the man with Order of Lenin.
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those who refuse to clap will be sent to gulag.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 30 2010 19:13 GMT
#664
Begins clapping fervently.

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Seriously that made me laugh
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 02 2010 15:41 GMT
#665
I think caller isn't coming back lol
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 02 2010 16:26 GMT
#666
naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.

Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 02 2010 17:28 GMT
#667
Meh, I was hoping to get a night phase after the Xelin lynch, shame. GG guys.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 18:18:29
October 02 2010 18:17 GMT
#668
You are actually a Bear. You also do not want to die. Whenever anybody says the word “bear,” you may execute a day kill against them which will occur at the end of the day. You will not be revealed as the killer. You may not kill people who have quoted others who have said “bear,” and your kills cannot occur retroactively (ex. If someone says bear on Day 1, you may not kill them on day 2). You also only have one kill per day/night cycle. You may use logic as everyone else. You will not appear as a Soviet to checks.

I still have no idea how I managed to lose while on such astounding position (or so I thought) in late game.

My secret alliance with ~OpZ~ after I roleclaimed to him secretly. Too lazy to sort them out chronolgically, have fun. Perhaps I'll throw in post-game notes when I have time.
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I executed SouthRawrea (dancing "bears") due to no lynch, would have liked inf but could be traced back to me with 2 posts. I currently have kill power over rastaban (panda "bear") so I hope we can form alliance for our best interests.


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do not claim. ill work this out
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(new PM by me)
I'm holding my post before getting your opinion, but think about it. I have nothing to lose since my identity is exposed to select individuals (I guess). I gain nothing by your death since you flipping NKVD is my death sentence, and the possibility of backstab is impossible since there are infinite lynch you can use to get rid of me when the town gets close to lylo and I can flip over.

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I'll roleclaim Miller, and I don't care about protection since with that claim mafia will be unlikely to ever hit me (at least tonight). I will only use my kill power against the individuals you tell me to.

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Well, I am now able to shoot infund now lol.

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I can't count on your claim as miller being a working claim. You are gonna have to claim some KP role and take credit for south I think.

I'm uncertain but I won't push for your lynch...

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Original Message:
I hope you are going to inform me about what will happen before you make your move
I will glue myself on front of the computer for about 3 hrs so hopefully that'll be enough for you to get some sort of plan going.

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...Trying to coax infundi. Post sounds good. I was thinking of saying something along similar lines actually. That it was possibly just flavour cause caller is none for that. So you are a survivor role? Not really town aligned, but not truely SK either?

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I say "Since NKVD measures wealth of the individual, I am inclined to believe that 'worthless' is town (communist) result, especially since I don't see why one would get scum result on me. Did you check Caller about what worthless flavour actually means?

Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation."

-> The thing is that even if you really didn't get "worthless" result you can confirm me by saying that it is indeed up to interpretation. This really does not matter b/c if you get scum read d2 you can say "I got 'wealthy' on player A" instead of saying "I got [whatever on your PM] on player A".

Still waiting for person you want me to shoot, and I'll try to read the thread to get my own suspect list as well. Two scum hit - one by my shot and one investigated by you - is optimal scenario but meh.

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why not?

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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
yup. why'd you investigate me anyhow?

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Original Message From ~OpZ~:
you really are third party tho yes?

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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
lol u dead
at least your read on infundi seems to be correct :o (or Caller negligence which is surprising possibility -_-)

Either way it was interesting alliance with you.

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I don't care, smack the fuck outta infundi. You'll win even if scum win right? lol.

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Sooooo do I shoot infundi or not then? I have lab coming up in 10 min. so need to leave for a moment is not sure I can come back before the deadline.

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Infundi and me have been pming. He doesn't ask much because I don't give much out in PMs.

He was msging with Divinek, and divinek doesn't wanna believe my claim and is trying to get him to doubt him. I think infundi might be vet soooooo....

I was gonna have him claim medic. xD...matter of fact....

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No, I think it was Pandain -> zeks -> lakrismamma -> your fail attempt.

What do you mean "Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me"?

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Original Message:
Mafia don't have to admit voting for someone. It's hidden. Remember that.

I was going to check zeks, but Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me. So I'm going to assume he is town. @_@

Did zeks lynch case go after Lakrismammas?

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eh me too, except in my case I forgot I had to vote at all. I was interested since with rastaban + lakris + 1 minimum other mafia vote zeks should have been lynched if only two townies had consented, but reading the thread over I think nobody voted yes so that's a dead end =/

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Original Message:
Didn't vote. I've been scared to vote yes because this kinda reminds me of RAM mafia 2 when executions were being used. Accuse seems to be a form of execution to me...except it's slower. Votes are hidden so its even more dangerous.

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Original Message:
It shall be done. Quick question: how did you vote on zeks lynch?

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Oh fuck. You're right. Fuck me I was stonedas fuck.

Okay. yea...hit infundi. Wow i'm dumb as shit.

yea. infundi is most likely mafia over rastaban anyway. He's stalling on claiming to me til tomorrow anyway. Wtf.

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Hmm but the thing is isn't rastaban somewhat confirmed by vampire lynch post =/ how does killing him benefit the town (thus me) in any way.

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Im checking infundi.

Lol

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reasoning?

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hit rastaban
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Currently rastaban and Infund has said "bear". I will wait and see if more option becomes available, but my current target is probably going to stay as Infundi in this case. Do you have any specific reason why you would want me to shoot Xelin over him?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 02 2010 19:04 GMT
#669
man i picked deconduo out as my number 1 suspect! shame i didnt care to help people find him lol, i told infun about it via pm but that's realy about it
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2010 19:22 GMT
#670
Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me)

Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles.

Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr?

Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet.

But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much.
Crazy set up, Caller.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 02 2010 20:01 GMT
#671
well i voted yes for every person obviously
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 20:40:04
October 02 2010 20:37 GMT
#672
On October 03 2010 03:17 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
You are actually a Bear. You also do not want to die. Whenever anybody says the word “bear,” you may execute a day kill against them which will occur at the end of the day. You will not be revealed as the killer. You may not kill people who have quoted others who have said “bear,” and your kills cannot occur retroactively (ex. If someone says bear on Day 1, you may not kill them on day 2). You also only have one kill per day/night cycle. You may use logic as everyone else. You will not appear as a Soviet to checks.

I still have no idea how I managed to lose while on such astounding position (or so I thought) in late game.

My secret alliance with ~OpZ~ after I roleclaimed to him secretly. Too lazy to sort them out chronolgically, have fun. Perhaps I'll throw in post-game notes when I have time.
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I executed SouthRawrea (dancing "bears") due to no lynch, would have liked inf but could be traced back to me with 2 posts. I currently have kill power over rastaban (panda "bear") so I hope we can form alliance for our best interests.


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do not claim. ill work this out
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(new PM by me)
I'm holding my post before getting your opinion, but think about it. I have nothing to lose since my identity is exposed to select individuals (I guess). I gain nothing by your death since you flipping NKVD is my death sentence, and the possibility of backstab is impossible since there are infinite lynch you can use to get rid of me when the town gets close to lylo and I can flip over.

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Original Message:
I'll roleclaim Miller, and I don't care about protection since with that claim mafia will be unlikely to ever hit me (at least tonight). I will only use my kill power against the individuals you tell me to.

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Well, I am now able to shoot infund now lol.

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Original Message:
I can't count on your claim as miller being a working claim. You are gonna have to claim some KP role and take credit for south I think.

I'm uncertain but I won't push for your lynch...

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Original Message:
I hope you are going to inform me about what will happen before you make your move
I will glue myself on front of the computer for about 3 hrs so hopefully that'll be enough for you to get some sort of plan going.

+ Show Spoiler +
...Trying to coax infundi. Post sounds good. I was thinking of saying something along similar lines actually. That it was possibly just flavour cause caller is none for that. So you are a survivor role? Not really town aligned, but not truely SK either?

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Original Message:
I say "Since NKVD measures wealth of the individual, I am inclined to believe that 'worthless' is town (communist) result, especially since I don't see why one would get scum result on me. Did you check Caller about what worthless flavour actually means?

Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation."

-> The thing is that even if you really didn't get "worthless" result you can confirm me by saying that it is indeed up to interpretation. This really does not matter b/c if you get scum read d2 you can say "I got 'wealthy' on player A" instead of saying "I got [whatever on your PM] on player A".

Still waiting for person you want me to shoot, and I'll try to read the thread to get my own suspect list as well. Two scum hit - one by my shot and one investigated by you - is optimal scenario but meh.

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why not?

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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
yup. why'd you investigate me anyhow?

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Original Message From ~OpZ~:
you really are third party tho yes?

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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
lol u dead
at least your read on infundi seems to be correct :o (or Caller negligence which is surprising possibility -_-)

Either way it was interesting alliance with you.

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I don't care, smack the fuck outta infundi. You'll win even if scum win right? lol.

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Sooooo do I shoot infundi or not then? I have lab coming up in 10 min. so need to leave for a moment is not sure I can come back before the deadline.

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Infundi and me have been pming. He doesn't ask much because I don't give much out in PMs.

He was msging with Divinek, and divinek doesn't wanna believe my claim and is trying to get him to doubt him. I think infundi might be vet soooooo....

I was gonna have him claim medic. xD...matter of fact....

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Original Message:
No, I think it was Pandain -> zeks -> lakrismamma -> your fail attempt.

What do you mean "Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me"?

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Original Message:
Mafia don't have to admit voting for someone. It's hidden. Remember that.

I was going to check zeks, but Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me. So I'm going to assume he is town. @_@

Did zeks lynch case go after Lakrismammas?

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Original Message:
eh me too, except in my case I forgot I had to vote at all. I was interested since with rastaban + lakris + 1 minimum other mafia vote zeks should have been lynched if only two townies had consented, but reading the thread over I think nobody voted yes so that's a dead end =/

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Didn't vote. I've been scared to vote yes because this kinda reminds me of RAM mafia 2 when executions were being used. Accuse seems to be a form of execution to me...except it's slower. Votes are hidden so its even more dangerous.

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Original Message:
It shall be done. Quick question: how did you vote on zeks lynch?

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Oh fuck. You're right. Fuck me I was stonedas fuck.

Okay. yea...hit infundi. Wow i'm dumb as shit.

yea. infundi is most likely mafia over rastaban anyway. He's stalling on claiming to me til tomorrow anyway. Wtf.

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Hmm but the thing is isn't rastaban somewhat confirmed by vampire lynch post =/ how does killing him benefit the town (thus me) in any way.

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Original Message:
Im checking infundi.

Lol

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Original Message:
reasoning?

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Original Message:

hit rastaban
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Original Message:
Currently rastaban and Infund has said "bear". I will wait and see if more option becomes available, but my current target is probably going to stay as Infundi in this case. Do you have any specific reason why you would want me to shoot Xelin over him?


This is why you lost

On September 16 2010 08:59 rastaban wrote:
OK I am going to vote for LSB, Deco you should as well. Either he is a poor town player or a good captialist player. Here is the PM I received from him earlier he followed it to the very end and then when it would have meant he would die if he was a capitalist he instead deviated.

Here is the proof, Kill LSB

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Plan: right now there are 9 people

Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left

We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.

If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno

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I assume you did but can you confirm you voted for pandain


The moment that lak was killed, and you missed one of us 4 circle members, you guys lost
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 20:47:22
October 02 2010 20:39 GMT
#673
On October 03 2010 01:26 Caller wrote:
naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.

Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick.

YESSSSS!
And screw you deconduo =P
And sorry rastaban for doubting you. In the end I decided to vote to kill you both.


On October 03 2010 04:22 Pandain wrote:
Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me)

Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles.

Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr?

Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet.

But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much.
Crazy set up, Caller.

Rastaban and Deconduo tipped me off, and then I came up with the kill everyone else plan, so I needed to off you in order to thin the town down.

Also while you were arguing with me, you resorted to tactics which I quickly slipped through and accused you with.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 20:48:07
October 02 2010 20:46 GMT
#674
Okay, for everyone, here is the explanation of the game.

Deconduo, and Rastaban contact me. They want my help in killing Pandian.
We kill Pandian and Lakris.

That day we have this plan going
Plan: right now there are 9 people

Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left

We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.

If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno


Day 3: 8 People are left. Immediately I start following the plan, offing OpZ, Divinek, Zeks, and Hesmyrr. No matter how 'confirmed' Hesymrr was, he was on our list and had to die.

Day 4: I chill, checking again if there is any night rounds, there wasn't one

Day 5: I immediately drive the game into endgame. I enlist Deconduo and Rastaban in order to off Xelin. Rastaban has been trying to get me to kill Deconduo (Bless his soul), but I wasn't listening to him.
Only way I could kill Xelin was to tell Rastaban that I was going to kill Deconduo with him afterwards. I was planning on betraying Rastaban on this part.

But then once Rastaban accuses Deconduo, I told Deconduo to accuse Rastaban. I then submitted guilty verdicts for both players, so that even if I was wrong, I would be the only one left standing. GG
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 02 2010 21:11 GMT
#675
On October 03 2010 05:46 LSB wrote:
Okay, for everyone, here is the explanation of the game.

Deconduo, and Rastaban contact me. They want my help in killing Pandian.
We kill Pandian and Lakris.

That day we have this plan going
Show nested quote +
Plan: right now there are 9 people

Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left

We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.

If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno


Day 3: 8 People are left. Immediately I start following the plan, offing OpZ, Divinek, Zeks, and Hesmyrr. No matter how 'confirmed' Hesymrr was, he was on our list and had to die.

Day 4: I chill, checking again if there is any night rounds, there wasn't one

Day 5: I immediately drive the game into endgame. I enlist Deconduo and Rastaban in order to off Xelin. Rastaban has been trying to get me to kill Deconduo (Bless his soul), but I wasn't listening to him.
Only way I could kill Xelin was to tell Rastaban that I was going to kill Deconduo with him afterwards. I was planning on betraying Rastaban on this part.

But then once Rastaban accuses Deconduo, I told Deconduo to accuse Rastaban. I then submitted guilty verdicts for both players, so that even if I was wrong, I would be the only one left standing. GG

actually, if rasta had been first, you wouldve lost
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2010 21:12 GMT
#676
On October 03 2010 05:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 01:26 Caller wrote:
naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.

Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick.

YESSSSS!
And screw you deconduo =P
And sorry rastaban for doubting you. In the end I decided to vote to kill you both.


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On October 03 2010 04:22 Pandain wrote:
Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me)

Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles.

Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr?

Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet.

But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much.
Crazy set up, Caller.

Rastaban and Deconduo tipped me off, and then I came up with the kill everyone else plan, so I needed to off you in order to thin the town down.

Also while you were arguing with me, you resorted to tactics which I quickly slipped through and accused you with.


Explain the bolded part.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
October 02 2010 21:32 GMT
#677
You supported killing inactive.
It was only natural that I start tripping you up =P
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 21:48:33
October 02 2010 21:44 GMT
#678
On October 03 2010 06:32 LSB wrote:
You supported killing inactive.
It was only natural that I start tripping you up =P


I disagree, killing inactives is usually the best course of action in my eyes(for day one lynch.)
Day one lynches are almost always wrong, and in the beginning I find it safer to lynch the "lurking Inactives" and get everyone talking. Even if we don't lynch an inactive, it forces everyone to get talking.
Regardless, I died, so I did something wrong. I have to look through my posts.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 21:49:29
October 02 2010 21:48 GMT
#679
mafia are never inactive on day1 wtf

there's a difference between pressure votes than straight up lynching someone you know can't ever be mafia
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2010 22:06 GMT
#680
On October 03 2010 06:48 Divinek wrote:
mafia are never inactive on day1 wtf

there's a difference between pressure votes than straight up lynching someone you know can't ever be mafia

They're more likely than not. It's hard to differentiate between the lazy/bored/unsure inactive townie and the lurking mafia, but theres a difference. Notice I didn't say, we'll lynch more mafia(neccesarily), but that its safer
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