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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 24 2010 21:35 GMT
#641
Day

Once again nothing happened. For Christ's sake yo.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 24 2010 21:41 GMT
#642
On September 25 2010 03:52 XeliN wrote:
You don't think if I was a traitor I would have played the WORST game in history?

Fakerole PM: "You are a traitor your sided with the mafia blah blah"

Me :D "I know ! ! ! ! 1 For my first act of traitorismlificationisation, I'll go inactive for most of the start of the game, and then, I'll swoop into the game and make a series of well founded accusations against one of the most likely mafia players left in this. That way were sure to win!!!"

You're always inactive at the start of practically every game.


If I was mafia the idea of me sacrificing lakris in order to gain legitimacy at least is plausible, If, as you claim, you believe there to only be a traitor left then it's not plausible and errs on the side of ignorant stupidity (in a nice non offensive way, not saying YOU are ignorant and stupid just the conclusion you've reached ^^)


Okay, guys. The main reason we think XeliN is town is because of his Accusation of Lakris right?
First of all, I'm going to dispel some assumptions

XeliN wouldn't have killed his scumbuddy on purpose: False
Actually he could. Mafia in this game don't know each other. There are probably 2 traitor roles, and a capitalist aligned SK (Lakris)
I assumed that XeliN couldn’t be scum because scum wouldn’t start the ball rolling on scum. But Xelin's kill could have been a mistake

XeliN’s accusation of Lakris had merit: False
Looking back at his accusation, it’s actually quiet sketchy.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote:
The time seems prudent now, an #Accusation against Lakrismamma
I aim for this to be concise and simple so to start, the clue:

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote:
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.


This suggests one thing, among the people publically supporting the Pandain lynch, at least one of them are capitalist.

Here the most suggestive part for clue making is “One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon”.

Now look at Lakrismamma’s quotation in his profile “I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes. ”. Here is where I believe the clue to be linked, my idea being a 13th Century Hand Cannon is exactly the type of “thunder” that might break walls and window panes”

I spent a fairly long time trying to analyse this clue, even spent about 10minutes scanning a Wikipedia article on Cannons and their history but missed this entirely, I did not make the link but it is strong imo, just as strong as the clue that led us to Pandain becoming Deadpan (LOL PUN!)
And now to Lakris’ posting, and as were on the subject of Pandains clue here is the first thing I found telling. This is Lakrismamma’s post immediately after Caller wrote the clue about a mauling panda.
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 07:21 lakrismamma wrote:
I don't think that we should focus on clues day one. We should analyze posts instead.
Especially when we don't know if there are clues in the game.
Does Caller usually have this?


I think the panda clue was of the type that the mafia would instantly know it reffered to Pandain and would naturally be quite anxious for people not to make the association or, if it came to that, to be able to dismiss it as ambiguous.

First of all, Pandain wasn’t the panda. The person who got mauled was because of the Bear, Hesmyrr.
In fact, TLMafia has played without clues for a looong time. It strange why XeliN would suddenly bring up clues. And it’s not like it’s specific. Caller could just simply be describing that the mafia executed someone with a gun.

+ Show Spoiler +

[quote]
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2010 05:31 lakrismamma wrote:
Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote.


This to me is clearly a sign of someone trying to cover themselves, he can claim “I supported the lynch on Pandain and argued why” if Pandain is lynched and revealed to be capitalist whilst at the same time try to avoid that supporting Pandain, saying he will change his vote and perhaps hoping others will follow suit. Mild tendancies in argument can often be a tell in mafia play and IMO Lakris’ posting is an example of it.

I’m of the opinion that simply the strength of the clue (subjective but I believe it is a strong one, or as strong as clues are likely to be in this game) as well as his support of Bum’s lynch and mild way in not committing for or against Pandains lynch are enough in and off themselves for the lynch, but if you go over his posts there are other more subtle things I can find but they are more WIFOMy//more subjective.

And so gentlemen there’s my evidence mingled with my opinion. Blood is that most precious of substances yet in this example I think it ought be spilled.

Again, this "cover themselves attack" relies on the assumption that the mafia knows who the others mafia members were. But the problem is, Pandain is a traitor. Lakris couldn’t have known that he was mafia.
And as a reason for someone being mafia, Indecisiveness is a lame argument that was easy to make. Anyone can make that. I can go through XeliN's day one post and make that argument, but I won't because its the real arguments that find scum

XeliN has been pro town: False
Day 2: Xelin pushes Lakris’s lynch on flimsy evidence
It looks like he is just getting the ball rolling, trying to get an early bandwagon
Day3: I push for the lynch of the 4 people outside of our circle. Xelin sits back
Day 3/4: Xelin then pushes for my lynch.
I know I’m town. In fact, Xelin hasn’t really been focusing on me that much, if he seriously believe that I was mafia, why didn’t he accuse me yesterday?

Lastly, the vote
When we look at the claimed votes, a lot could be explained if Xelin lied.
[image loading]

If Xelin and Infun lied, Hesmyrr would get lynched. That is the most probable possibility.
What if Rasta lied? The problem is, then two other people would have to lie, Xelin and Infun, so either way, Xelin has to have lied.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 24 2010 21:42 GMT
#643
Suhweet, Caller Ninjaed me

##Accuse: XeliN
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 24 2010 21:48 GMT
#644
Oh awesome.I was just about to start a long accusation of Xelin along the same lines, you've saved me some work. I might have one or two things to add in a minute, but you summed it up pretty awesomely.

Voting yes.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 24 2010 23:26 GMT
#645
GL getting this one through guys

LOL
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 24 2010 23:28 GMT
#646
Caller your no longer leaving any clues btw, that might help to escape this stagnation xD

Although earlier you phrased something in a way which made it seem like the lack of any clues was actually a clue in and of itself so mayb I need to have a brainstorm...
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 24 2010 23:33 GMT
#647
Briefly skimmed your shennanigans and saw something about voting so this might assist, every vote cast so far. I didn't vote at all on the pandain which is why it's missing

To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Heyo
Date: 9/9/10 14:05
Do I need to vote on my own accusation or is it assumed as a given?

Just incase Yes to Lakrismamma's lynch ^^

To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Yo's
Date: 9/13/10 15:19
I might not be about for a lil bit and so to cover my bets

I vote YES for any accusation against the following players in this day stage

Hesmyrr, Deconduo, Zeks, Infundibulum, Divinek

To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: adjustment
Date: 9/15/10 04:05
Change my stance currently on Hesmyrr

Voting NO for his accusation, YES for all the rest I mentioned
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 25 2010 01:39 GMT
#648
*Waits excitedly to see how LSB will maintain the votes are clearly faked yet try to not show his ulterior motive*
Adonai bless
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 25 2010 15:41 GMT
#649
Well do you have any suggestions to break this impasse? I notice that you haven't done anything to defend yourself other than post some easily faked PMs. You are just sitting back in the knowledge that rasta will stop you from getting lynched rather than doing anything helpful or useful.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 25 2010 17:30 GMT
#650
I think any rational person should be able to deduce the flaws in LSB's claims for themselves, the only person I would really need to persuade not to vote would be rasta and I already know he's a rational person so it would be in vain.

Well there's also the idea of defending myself in order to attempt to persuade the one remaining town player amongst you and LSB, but I've abandoned that notion.

LSB's entire post is a clutch at straws attempt in order to show how I COULD be mafia or traitor, it is him trying to do all he can to make it seem plausible. The fact that we have got to a point where the best he is able to do is argue that I could be and outline arguments and reasons entirely based around establishing this Could ought be telling enough in itself.
Adonai bless
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 27 2010 16:05 GMT
#651
This game isn't going anywhere, lets lynch someone.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 27 2010 16:49 GMT
#652
I think we are just waiting on caller to announce the results so we know what to do next.



Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 27 2010 16:55 GMT
#653
Day

Oh lookie, Xelin's dead.

Night in 12 Hours or until stopped.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 27 2010 18:18 GMT
#654
meh looks like I was right about Xelin deing town and it probably cost us the game lynching him but I didn't want to wait another week for another no hit night.

since you are so sure that each other is town and don't care about my analysis go ahead and lynch me so we can let the mafia win
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 27 2010 18:49 GMT
#655
I was pretty certain Xelin was maf

Go ahead and post your analysis. I'm interested in hearing it anyway.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 27 2010 21:24 GMT
#656
On September 25 2010 08:26 XeliN wrote:
GL getting this one through guys

LOL


Poetic justice

GL guys!
Adonai bless
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 28 2010 00:26 GMT
#657
On September 28 2010 03:18 rastaban wrote:
meh looks like I was right about Xelin deing town and it probably cost us the game lynching him but I didn't want to wait another week for another no hit night.

since you are so sure that each other is town and don't care about my analysis go ahead and lynch me so we can let the mafia win

Mafia admitting gg, or defeated townie?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 28 2010 14:18 GMT
#658
##Accuse deconduo
LSB, you already know why, no read to restate my points. You need to decided now if I am town or LSB is town.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 28 2010 14:19 GMT
#659
EBWOP *No Need
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 28 2010 18:44 GMT
#660
##Accuse Rastaban

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