Team Melee Mini Mafia II - Page 2

On September 26 2010 03:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

That looks like the type of post I made every time I got an innocent lynched in Mafia XII.

On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote:
Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times.

Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T

On September 25 2010 17:53 Incognito wrote:
Dang I'm good at being pro-mafia. I'm too disheartened to defend myself, so go ahead and lynch me. I will still be voting for Team 1, although nobody is in the clear at this point. This is our last chance to lynch a mafia, and nobody's really done a good job at looking pro-town at this point.

On September 26 2010 15:18 Infundibulum wrote:

In fact, there would be no reason for mafia to fake claim medic at this point where it's LyLo. Here why:

1. the optimal mafia strategy at this point in the game is to pin suspicion on a vocal person who's been wrong in the past day or 2. This is because the town is sick of missing their lynches. They want to see red blood, god damnit, and who better than the guy that's been steadfastly going down the wrong trail? All the mafia need to do is goad the town into doing this, which is what you and RoL are trying to do. Note that I predicted this move earlier in the thread - it's very obvious.

2. Mafia claiming medic first is really risky because they don't know whether there's a medic or not. In a LyLo situation, it's the town that's at risk and not the mafia. There's no reason for the mafia to suddenly stop playing it safe and go balls out unless they want to "win with style." neither Incog nor I is that kind of player (granted that's a bit of wifom, but if you've played any games with either of us you should know that).

On September 27 2010 02:23 Infundibulum wrote:



Please stop twisting my posts. My defense is that a mafia fakeclaim of medic at this point in the game makes little to no sense; neither Incog nor I are the types of players to do ballsy moves like that, I don't think anyone who's played with either of us will disagree about that. The town is who's in trouble right now, and there's no need for the mafia to come out and force a "1 team or the other is mafia because of this claim," situation, but that's what RoL did.

I'm pointing out that its dumb for RoL to counterclaim because he's the mafia, and by counterclaiming the mafia play the basic trump card - if he wanted he could have easily argued against our claim without counterclaiming first.

If RoL was actually a medic, a counterclaim would have been the right thing to do. But he's not the medic, because his claim makes no sense. As my partner pointed out, his claimed protections Night 1 and 2 are not logical and I'd expect better choices of protection from those 2 players.



This is implausible from a strategic standpoint. Think for a minute - why would the mafia plan a medic claim from Day 1 when they don't know which roles are in the game? If you are mafia, why go through the trouble just to fake claim medic day 3 (and 'breadcrumb' it day 1 and 2?), running the risk of a real medic coming out and forcing your team into a 1v1 situation? Especially with 2 town deaths already, the risk > reward so much that this can't even be WIFOM. A mafia claiming medic in the way my team did today would have to be playing intentionally poorly.

The reason I asked about PM notifications is that there was a lot of talk about medic confirmations and who the medic should protect. Being the medic, knowing whether or not there are PM notifications is pretty important in terms of planning what to do if we make a save, for example.

Look, the only thing stopping me from knowing that you're red right now is the fact that you are so obviously defending RoL's counter claim. If RoL dies today you must know you're surely next based on your long and incorrect accusations of my team. Which means you must either be sure you can get my team lynched, or that you are town and genuinely believe that Team 6 is telling the truth. In case of the latter, shame on you :p

I wouldn't expect the second mafia team to be so visibly supportive of Team 6 because if Team 6 is lynched today that visible team [your team!] in all likelihood gets axed next day, since my team would be clear, and that's gg for them. I'd expect the mafia team to play like Teams 2 or 3 has been playing during this Day, especially if you, LSB the townie, are doing the dirty work for them. If you're still holding some animosity because we wanted to lynch you Day 1, please get over it and read the recent day or 2 from a neutral perspective.

The key points are:

1. If Incog and I are red, this play is really bad from a strategic standpoint
2. RoL's counterclaim was poorly devised; his claims of protecting himself night 1 and 2 simply don't hold up under scrutiny. See Incog's post.
3. Team 1's vocal defense of Team 6 means they are either mafia trying to flat out win today without a backup plan, or that Team 1 is townie caught on the wrong side and the mafia is letting Team 1 do the arguing. This is because if team 6 dies, they will flip red, most heavily implicating Team 1. So if team 6 is lynched today, I implore the town not to immediately jump at the throats of Team 1 because the playstyle of Teams 2 and 3 this Day fits more closely to a mafia profile IMO.

On September 27 2010 11:23 Divinek wrote:
actually you know what after reading through everyone's reasons for voting for who they did i've convinced myself that the likely combination for me is team1/team6

so

##unvote
##vote team6

On September 27 2010 13:37 bumatlarge wrote:
I CANT LET MY TEAM DOWN

##unvote
##vote team 6

Nice to see all this wriggling, thought I had something between teams 1 and 3, but I really fail at reading comprehension. Both teams 6 and 8 claimed medic for certain?