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voting no lynch right now is very dumb | ||
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@LSB: how would you be so CERTAIN they're scum? You have a scumlist, buddy? On September 21 2010 04:43 SouthRawrea wrote: So you're saying I'm posting nothing when really what I'm doing is making a post that shows that there is really no plan that we can come up with? Then pray, tell me what sort of content-filled posts you can make this early in the game? @Pyrr This makes me confident in my earlier read he is appealing to pyrr's authority. Scummy, scummy, scummy. @meeple: I find it funny you ask me to justify my vote when I voted SR on fluff, then make a secondary reason as for voting being fluff yourself. I also dislike you speculating that I was 100% pyrr/SR are the scumteam.... if that was the case, I would have been putting a second vote on Pyrr's team. I didn't. I'm voting SR because I am unsure if Pyrr actually made a slip. The way SR is acting now, though, in the above post, makes me believe that my initial reaction to who I'm voting is actually wrong. I needed to stack on pyrr because his team is way more important as I'm feeling both SR's team #2 with bumatlarge and divinek are scum with Pyrrhuloxia's team #1. My reasoning and justification are how SR is acting towards pyrrhuloxia. I will also give justification in relation to why we should lynch vs a no lynch day 1. I am not saying "let's not ever no lynch", but that we could use it day 2 if we don't lynch scum day 1. day 1 lynching scum: 6 v 1 night kill day 2 5v1 <- possible win here mislynch + night kill day 3 3v1 (mylo) <- obvious no lynch unless 100% certainty night kill day 4 2v1 (LYLO) if we DON'T mislynch now, and no lynch later, we can save it for a MyLo potentially. That's why we need to take a chance on lynching scum today. this is assuming we fuck up later, but we rocked on day 1. I'm not even really worried about this is Pyrrhuloxia's team #1 flip scum, which I expect them to do based upon SouthRawrEa being a newer player who is a dead giveaway. Though I am more sure of SR based upon his posting, AtA, and my not liking bumatlarge's posting earlier, I feel like they implicate team #1 through SR, and there being a vote on a slot that I find scum is enough for me to want to wagon said slot. ##unvote: pyrrhuloxia/LSB ##vote: SR, bumatlarge, and divinek | ||
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On September 21 2010 05:56 Ace wrote: Well post something else because this town is boring. I'm about to move. I'm on top of it, broski  Hopefully this clarifies some things. You won't have to move when we kill these scum off. We will restore our lakes to their pristine conditions, and will take control of their mafia-owned warehouse. I was thinkin about makin it into a P.F. Chang's or Bennigan's or somethin'. | ||
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We need to save our no lynch for potential MyLo situations like 4v2 (VERY POSSIBLE) or 3v1 | ||
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There are to be NO private messages this game for most roles. Roles that may PM will be told to them. | ||
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On September 21 2010 08:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, I am going to be addressing both BM and BB with this, since this seems to be using faulty logic. BM you are arguing that we achieve the same result by no lynching day one or two, this is wrong because on Day 2 we have more information to work with PLUS we have higher percent of just randomly offing a mafia simply because there is one less team in the game. Completely faulty logic. As the game progresses our information increases so saying day 1 = day 2 no lynching is completely wrong, even if it is mathematically the same in regards to WHEN the day ends. Also BM you assume that we are rocking out day 1 and fucking up rest of the time? That's such an unlikely scenario considering as the game progresses information increases. BB inactivity is an easy mafia ploy to pull off day one claiming little to no reason or content to post, so its a given that they SHOULD be posting and if it continues it is very scummy and antitown, in the current set up I am willing to let it slide and not lynch of inactivity Day 1, but come down on it hard Day 2. I would disagree with the we-should-lynch mentality, simply because no-lynching day 1 actually gives us an extra day. Obviously if we're 100% sure we have a scum we should lynch, but failing that we should no lynch, because then we have an extra day of analysis and a nightkill target. Get the cop (if he exists) to rolecheck team 1 or 2 tonight, and if he finds a scum, have him claim and get the medic (if HE also exists) to protect him. This obviously assumes blue roles exist, but since we have a 3/4 chance that they do, I think it's pretty safe to assume there's at least 1 blue in the game (if we get lucky, we get two!) I do agree with the fact that we need to get good discussion going, and that we need to get LSB to 'splain himself further about his accusation. This entirely reeks of shit to be blunt. It starts with kind of what I was saying but dissolves into the most retarded plan I have ever read. The whole DT CAN CHECK SOMEONE THEN SAY WHAT HE CHECKED AND THEN MEDIC PROTECTS HIM = GG is retarded. You are basing SO MUCH off of the chance its a 1/4 scenario where we lucked out and got both a medic and a DT. When deciding what to do we have to see what would benefit us the MOST in every possible scenario, which I believe is clearly day 1 no lynching (in our current predicament) Obviously if we have a strong suspect we should ALWAYS go for it, but quite simply the reasoning that you are justifying no lynch is nonsensical. Now, to get some discussion going: What do you guys think of the possibility of having cop (if cop exists) claim day 2? Obviously he shouldnt claim now, because if he exists there's only a 1/3 chance that medic also exists and can protect his ass tonight. However, I'm assuming that since cop is more than 1 person, and this game is mostly talented players, the rolecheck tonight should turn up something good. I think it would absolutely be worth it to trade cop for 1 of the mafia. Obvious flaw with this: If there's no cop, and mafia fakeclaims, who's gonna counterclaim? Still, I'd love to hear other peoples' opinion. DT should only claim if he feels a good enough reason to. Personally I think as soon as the DT confirms someone as red he should claim. Trading mafia for DT in a small game like this seems beneficial. The only reason NOT to do that is if that individual is getting lynched anyway for whatever reason, but if the vote is close I would still claim as a DT and make sure a mafia got killed. Besides that claiming for the sake of claiming is stupid. I disagree. If team 2 are mafia, and I get team 2 lynched, it is 100% likely on both days they will flip mafia. I don't look at it "randomly", I look at who is fucking mafia and who isn't fucking mafia. That being said, over the past couple of pages, I have been really happy with SR and Divinek. I was happy with bumatlarge until he started using really odd language. bumatlarge, explain the ending of your most recent post, as seen here: Main Points: 1. Laxin medic goes hippy when they make war not love 2. Incog is fear nothing happenstance benefit 3. My vote wit no apologies because apologies get me in trouble apparently ...What? Basically, I am fine with no lynch at this point. I was pretty sure I had caught scum, but I am admittedly not so sure now. vote: no lynch | ||
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I'm not saying you're scum, or that I find you scummy. I'm not even saying that slipping into a more casual style of posting after getting that pro-townness "off your chest" is indicative of something scum would do as you can tell by my terminology when describing my take on what you are doing. I guess I'm actually listening to what you're telling me to do, though I did not plan to. I am being analytical of you. I have yet to read your huge post, and have a post right in front of it "bookmarked" in my mind. I've got nothing better to do right now, though, so after I make a glass of chocolate milk I believe I will read from it to where the editing fiasco was. | ||
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On September 21 2010 17:45 Incognito wrote: We get tons of information besides his flip. I'm saying we need this lynch to force people to act. At this point, the mounds of no-lynch running around isn't forcing the mafia to do anything it doesn't want to do. And you know that. The mafia, and let's assume you're mafia here for this argument's sake, would want to make a case on a team it believes it can manipulate townies into mislynching like you're doing. I'm not quite sure if your heart is pure or if you're tipping the scale in your favor as scum. It is definitely ballsy to shift away from no-lynch, though. There are simply too many people who seem to be supporting it or at least somewhat supporting it for it to be a scum-driven-tactic which is why I voted for it. If a lot of people are doing something, it is likely town due to town being prevalent. You pushing against it in your huge post is either very good town play or very good scum play. The problem is that you haven't really convinced me enough to consider putting me vote up there. I am still more suspicious of team 2, and I feel like we might be able to get rid of both scum teams if team 1 are scum which is not what you believe. Well, you believe we might be able to, but we disagree on the secondary teams. For that reason, where I don't feel like arguing with you on day 2 about who is implicated, and for me not being solid on your case for now, I am keeping my vote on no lynch. On September 21 2010 17:43 Incognito wrote: At this point we have enough information to lynch. I believe that all the mafia are out there in the open. Foolishness needs to analyze the information we have now instead of rotting away while insisting we need more time to get information before lynch. There is plenty information out there. Anyone claiming otherwise is just too lazy to read the information here. There is no reason to wait. I actually like this post, though. Almost enough to sway me to vote for someone... I should go do some scumhunting of my own after this responsive post. On September 21 2010 17:50 Incognito wrote: It makes more sense for infinite no lynches I think. No real logical reason why town shouldn't be able to control its own KP weapon? Agree. I don't like no lynch, though, as I am unsure of how to use it. @incognito Why are you worried about it at all, though, if you're pushing to lynch a supposedly scummy slot? On September 21 2010 17:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just wondering what information you think we get? I mean if we go to lynch them right now we can see who opposes the lynch and try to crucify them for it if pyrr/LSB flip red however that can lead us down a bad path, especially if the lynch isn't fully supported. I personally have no problem with the lynch, but I don't really see the incentive to rush it, if anything waiting on the lynch would give us more information then executing it now in my opinion. The other thing I am kind of wary about is how late this is coming, I am not sure if we could give a whole bunch of evidence and convince the entire town to lynch them, the issue is I think some people might not see the information in time which leaves a bad taste, especially if they flip green. I think you are innocent judging by the posting I have seen and I don't wanna see people rallying behind some stupid idea like INCOGNITO PUSHED A LYNCH ON A GREEN, AS OPPOSED TO NO LYNCH and get head the next day for it. It offsets the town a lot. I agree, I didn't feel like leaving any hostility there because chaos helps the mafia. Remember that game where there was literally like 20 pages of Ace and L just yelling at each other? If I remember right, neither of them ended up being mafia. Ace and L yelling at each other was the highlight of my early mafia career in a few games so you'll have to be a little more specific than that. Them both being town, though, makes it somewhat more specific. I am not quite sure which game you're referencing, and it is not due to me having a bad memory, but moreso me having a selective memory in a good way. I remember the important shit, honestly, not townie vs townie arguments. I like your speculating on the flip, honestly. You have been playing very well so far from my perspective, RoL, keep the activity up, bro. The one problem I have with this wagon analysis you are proposing, in terms of information, which is definitely a valid point, so I am by no means talking against this, but merely playing the devil's advocate here somewhat, is that the mafia members could easily just bus their own team and have a free ticket to LyLo with a confused town in such a small setup. What a run-on sentence .Also, RoL, if LSB is mafia, who would you put as the other team? If you do not think of him as mafia, who is your best overall read on this game as being scum? | ||
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On September 21 2010 18:57 Ace wrote: chocolate milk is disgusting. Then again it is better than strawberry milk. I decided against it, and went with Mountain Dew. | ||
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You can't ever be sure of anything in mafia. | ||
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too bad if he doesnt die N1 he is likely mafia, as he likes to lurk D1 as mafia just like he does as townie or blue so that is very, very, very null from him. I cannot emphasize this more. The funny thing is, though, mafia could choose to not hit him and use it as an argument. "Foolishness didn't die, he is mafia, get him" on day 2. That's the problem with his high level of play if it goes unchecked, it makes all arguments pretty WIFOMy which is why I like to pressure people who lurk I like to do that more on day 2, or forward, though. I like a lynch on D1 vs a No Lynch, so I am tempted to wagon. If I wagon, would you guys take it the wrong way? I like wagons as town these days, but I don't like mislynches, and I haven't seen anything glaring at me saying "this player is scummy as fuck" like I had originally thought I had. It's funny everyone is dead set on a team I initially thought was scum. The minute I back off, people start believing. The world works in mysterious ways. I am going to vote simply to consolidate my vote with my partner's, and Vote: Team 1 Tomorrow we can pressure people based around their posts, and our general suspicions on teams 7 and 2 if they flip red. If they flip townie, then I'll have to look at a couple certain teams, too, so I'm actually happier with this lynch than teams 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and possibly even 2. | ||
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On September 22 2010 04:33 Foolishness wrote: Someone tell me why voting to kill someone today is better than No Lynching. As far as I've seen nobody's addressed this issue at all. We're all smart players here, I outlined majority of the scenarios in my previous posts. I know that someone is going to respond to this post with "Well I know for 100% that LSB is mafia". Honestly, you don't, it's day 1. So far, the only convincing thing I see against LSB is that a lot of people seem to think he's mafia. Now I know everyone in this game is at the least a decent, regular mafia player, so I have to take that into consideration. But all I see is a bandwagon. I'm fairly certain any argument someone has said about LSB, I could take that argument and apply to YellowInk or Infundibulum or Ace. Great job guys, you found a player in this game who's not actively making plans. So have I, actually, cause nobody's really made any sort of plan (unless you count no lynching a plan), and everyone's just focusing on Team 1 and Team 2. If you really think LSB is mafia, you would vote no lynch, and spend the next ~36 hours convincing the town with solid analysis and not "I'm 100% positive LSB/Pyrry are mafia". Um. Actually, I don't know he's 100% mafia, but you might. You could be his scumbuddy. I don't really think of LSB as a planner, anyways, having played with him in Penalty Mafia. I was one of the few who was voting more on Pyrrhuloxia than LSB. On September 22 2010 04:52 Infundibulum wrote: Actually an addendum: YellowInk has a point that it would be stupid to use our no lynch today, when we don't need to, when we could potentially end up in a missed lynch = loss situation later in the game. I think this is the strongest argument against lynching Day 1. Is there something amiss with this logic that i'm not grasping? I said this like 4 fucking pages ago do you not read the thread? yellowink basically stole that from me, and added "durr it would help if we had a blue too!!" On September 22 2010 05:03 Foolishness wrote: No, I refuted that argument already. Unless there's a medic save along the way, there's no way we'll end up in a 3v1 or 4v2 scenario if we no lynch today. Yes, he refuted ME, not yellowink. Infundibulum, you are acting in line with your red-meta from my perspective. On September 22 2010 05:06 meeple wrote: I think the general thoughts are that: Pros: - Prevents a somewhat uneducated decision, hoping for some better information tommorow Cons: - We only have one, we waste it now and we're screwed later - We go into Day 2 with just a little less information than we would if we lynched and found out someone's alignment. I think normally most people would go with the lynching day 1, if not only to get the info... but with such a small game every mislynch is a huge blow. This post is a very good summary of the game so far for me. We need to move on from this shit, though. I am not used to no lynching, so it should be fun unvote for now and put my vote on no lynch On September 22 2010 05:34 meeple wrote: Well... technically can't we use a No lynch in a 3 v 1 scenario to prolong the game into a 2 v 1 with a higher chance of catching the last guy... YET ANOTHER PERSON WHO NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO READ THE THREAD WOW GUYS | ||
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that last post i highly agree with | ||
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i expected a lot more | ||
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