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I want inventor....WHERE IS IT Edit:
HAHA Bullet Bill. That was my suggestion for Inventor to make!! Edit2: -_- So many interesting games all at once...I may have to drop out of flame wheels. I <3 Ace's games...
I also love SK roles. @_@
Grrr... What if SK picks Meth Man....o_o Can the pardoner pardon himself...
/in....
I may have to apologize to sir FlameWheel...But I long since said Ace's or Caller's games would be my priorities....
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On August 06 2010 04:23 Bill Murray wrote: have you considered picking scum post-picks? More useful for the scum for them to know each other before hand. And if I know I'm scum I'd choose GF or RoleBlocker, Pardoner. Certain roles are better for scum.
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yalli'm waiting for the picking to say anything. thanks.
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yeah...i dont want the mafia to redend new numbers either. So yea
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On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh?
I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with
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Comp Vig can't claim to be role blocked, he MUST target a target at night, or be modkilled. He would actually HAVE TO hit the mafia.
And if he didn't listen? We get two mafia. So compvig killing a mafia when he was directed by the town will in NO WAY confirm him, or make him any less suspicious.
CompVig kill mafia =/= Comp vig not mafia
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EBWOP: Comp vig can actually be role blocked (which still wouldn't verify him).
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On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill.
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On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness
#4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other
The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions?
not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power.
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On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best.
Had fun.
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if a mod would mind pming me before banning that would be appreciated
BM, I didn't bc push for yours. We all get a little heated.
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On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 07:11 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness
#4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other
The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions?
not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power. Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out. Ain't my fault that you all want to start game before picking stage. =/ I start when game starts....
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I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful.
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Oh, and though this may be important, [12][1] was my original numbers. I saw Pandain(?) (I think), was picking 12, and I was like, OH NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOO, so I PM'd Ace with my change.
Do you see why I said don't make your numbers public? FoS everyone above me that did not post their numbers.
And if Ace doesn't let me repick Day Vig? I'm killing BM first thing with the openining of the day.
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EBWOP: For his shitty plan that probably gave the mafia EVERYONE's numbers and the top four picks. HIGH FIVE GUYS!!
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On August 24 2010 00:48 bumatlarge wrote: [9][3] dont see how giving numbers would help scum now, but it would help town to see who was eager to position themselves on that list X_X No sir. Now is a good time to post your numbers. Before hand was a bad time. Our numbers should have been secret to this point. That's why BM needs to die. Obv.
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On August 24 2010 01:22 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I picked Day Vig before Ace redesigned the Draft list...Now that I'm higher on the list...I think I'll be getting something more...useful. Why are you ignoring the plan? It's like you're determined to be hard-headed about this "game hasn't started" business. Let me quote Ace for you " The game has now officially started!" Either post why you think the plan has flaws so we can iron them out, like citizen is doing, or help out by coming up with something else. Don't make excuses for why you're not helping. Citizen, I have more to say to address and expand on your concerns, I just don't have the time right now. Also, People may need to send in new roles to Ace since the drafting order has changed. Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun
Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray.
Instead, I would like to promote him as our first lynch candidate. His idea to number claim before the draft list was insanely unhelpful for the town, and insanely beneficial for the mafia. It gave the mafia the same opportunity I took to move up in the draft list. Foolish. First order of business would be to lynch someone that didn't number claim. Mafia of course would of had at least one person claim, and since BM is famous for unbeneficial plans, why not have him do it?
Maybe an inactive would be a better choice, but everyone is clearly active since the draft HAS happened, and the roles MUST be picked. So activity should not be an issue. Also, looking at the list of players, primarily vets and high activity poster (regardless of quality), Activity should be far from concern. Anyone not posting is clearly trying to lay low this game.
And also, Radfield, you seem to be in the same mindset as PYP 1. Weren't you SK that game?
My recommendation would be for Radfield to be tracked night one. BM to be Bullet Billed. If there is a watcher, I'd say watch Radfield, and I would be more than happy to request medic protection on him.
I would look into Fishball also, but knowing what I know about Fishball, I wouldn't expect too much from him til later in the game. <3 Fishball
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On August 25 2010 15:06 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 14:50 bumatlarge wrote: And we all know divine would be chainsaw defending BM in games if he were on the same team. Yeah right.
##Divinek
No reason to keep him alive, he's now a useless blue and what he did confirms nothing. It may be slight FoS depending how you look at it, but it's day 1. Point out a better lynch and I will eat my hat.
Not that I dont like having BM dead. yeah lets lynch a townie on day 1! excellent town play bum. I could say anyone who hasn't posted since day began would be a better lynch. Or maybe even you for voting for me because you STILL want to get me wagon'd. I know you're game and i wont let you take me down that easy. If i really wanted to stay alive why on earth would i kill BM, why would i do that as mafia. Hm i could see a case for it as sk, but still it draws too much attention to me and such.This townie will go down fighting. Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 15:02 Fishball wrote: So the game starts... and BM dies. I think I'm gaining some motivation back to actually play the game now. Hero Divinek! yay , i do it for all the people that this actually made happy. I mean i look out for #1, and it made me most happy, but i like to share. Hero fishball, joy to be playing my first game with you Aye...Killing BM...Argh...See man, why would you? Well he is a townie you CAN GET AWAY WITH DAY VIG-ing. =/ Mafia know that, so why not shorten the game by killing him just because you can get away with it?
NOW....since you've killed BM, I will not vote for you today. Not that I approve...But I wanted to do it too. Lol. I will probably have more to say Day 2 than Day 1 also...
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On August 26 2010 00:18 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 23:58 SouthRawrea wrote: Well shit. I would like to announce that at least 2 people did not follow along with the plan made for role picking. if you're stating the obvious in BM / Divinek then yeah but if its something else other than that then i'm assuming the mistakes happened up top at #1-#5 please elaborate. ...Yea...I was gonna say, BM and Divinek...but I'm curious too
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...lmao....CV target = SouthRawrea. We can let him live for a day I suppose. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, your far too kind.
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Role does save you from death....Kinda...
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...No...We don't need to lynch Hesmyrr right now...Obvious -_-
Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it.
....FUCK...Nevermind -_-...Any action?
*sigh*...Okay...we need a bus drivet....-_-
Anywaaaaaaaaaay....All to top 5 can die and I won't care? Except maybe Rastaban?
=/ That sounds about right. But I'm all for spraying brains all over the place. Hes posted pretty town like before repicking...and suggesting he get CC...so.....I dunno how I feel about him picking Traitor. Would seem more likely LSB or Chaoser to me...They aren't usual with the activity...
This will take some more time to digest, and the whole town should be discussing this. Citizen...How do you feel about Hes being the traitor?
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On August 26 2010 01:45 SouthRawrea wrote:Actually if you look closely at his post: Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 09:25 Hesmyrr wrote: Right, I picked one of the anti-town roles using RNG generator.
This could be a soft claim from him to the mafia as traitor. None of the actual townies would find this suspicious at all as we were trying to take roles away from the mafia anyways but the mafia would look at that and think, maybe he's softclaiming to us? They'd quite easily put any of their power roles on him to try and convert him if it's true. (They'd not bother using a KP on him obviously). True...Hes could of been trying to get hit hoping they'd try and get the role by copy cat, and get converted....Actually that is a good point...Lynch Hesmyrr sounds like a good idea...
Will wait for others to elaborate before voting...
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I feel like hearing from Chaoser, LSB, Subversion a little more....Too quiet TBH.
I would like some more information right now. We can either ignore hesmyrr from this point or not. Anyone got some stances on that?
Radfield, you are forgetting the mafia can target the traitor with ANY action and obtain the traitor onto their team. I'm curious if we are informed if the mafia's number grows, since we know how many mafia are in the game already.
Ace could you clarify that?
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On August 26 2010 02:37 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 02:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: I feel like hearing from Chaoser, LSB, Subversion a little more....Too quiet TBH.
I would like some more information right now. We can either ignore hesmyrr from this point or not. Anyone got some stances on that?
Radfield, you are forgetting the mafia can target the traitor with ANY action and obtain the traitor onto their team. I'm curious if we are informed if the mafia's number grows, since we know how many mafia are in the game already.
Ace could you clarify that? No, WE don't: # of Mafia in the Game Yea...I was going to correct myself, but I had gotten up to get a cup of coffee...Shit moves fast round these parts, eh?
On August 26 2010 02:37 zeks wrote: You are Vanilla Scum!
The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all of you participate in the kill.
Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills!
You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them.
see bolded part. Unless that's some meme or some inside joke I'm assuming theres 4 scum?
Game sense says four anyway.
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##Vote: bumatlarge He's too happy.
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...Bad Santa would be a better kill than PoD to be honest.
Bad Santa gives extra KP of totaling up to 5 while PoD just adds a night cycle. We should lynch whoever was supposed to of taken Bad Santa if we are hitting the top 5, and not hitting the comp vig. Atleast if we aren't taking Hesmyrr, or Zeks out. That would be the best solution.
I think Radfields idea to hit PoD is kind of...a bad choice.
Ace, if PoD uses his ability night one, does it make it night two, or just double night cycles?
Like, Night one (use it), Night One 2.0, then Day 2, or does Day 2 just get skipped altogether. I find this important in reference to the Comp Vig's operation.
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Obvious. He types my name, and breadcrumbs zeks, using my name for the z, so if mafia hit him and zeks is mafia, we know to lynch zeks...hurdur.... xD...
Or he makes a case against zeks, without saying he role checked him. If he starts going against someone he checked, then pops detective.
If he starts saying "blah blah, this person is right, blah blah" then that person is good.
Ace, Does RoleCop return role of mafia if the mafia investigated has another role, such as detective/medic/ect?
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Also, I'm suspicious of those voting hesmyrr as of page 33. I will gladly vote for zeks and/or Shinbi's (JeeJee) death(s),
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Ace, you're missing my vote for bumatlarge
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On August 26 2010 11:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 11:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Obvious. He types my name, and breadcrumbs zeks, using my name for the z, so if mafia hit him and zeks is mafia, we know to lynch zeks...hurdur.... xD...
Or he makes a case against zeks, without saying he role checked him. If he starts going against someone he checked, then pops detective.
If he starts saying "blah blah, this person is right, blah blah" then that person is good.
Ace, Does RoleCop return role of mafia if the mafia investigated has another role, such as detective/medic/ect?
6.)What happens if a RoleCop checks someone without a role?
The result they get back is VANILLA. Otherwise the RC would be almost better than the Alignment Cop in this setup which would make no sense.
So if they do have a role the Role Cop...gets a role.
Right...Wow...
##Vote Radfield "Alignment Cop is weak compared to Role Cop"
That ends my reasoning. Wow. We just walked down a windy road to death.
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...Yea, Radfield, I see that, but roles do not give us alignment. Roles are useless if we all RNG'd are roles. Alignment cannot be ascertained by role cop. So...How do we find alignment...
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Also, Sorry Hes...
I said the PoD should of been lynched instead of you, just because, but nobody listened.
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so who are we having cops check? role cop should definitely hit whoever was to pick someone low on the list. more likely to hit a vanilla, and get a decent role...or check radfield even...or the last person in the draft.
as for roleblocker if there is one, should block a vet player.
tracker should probably follow divinek. if he visits anyone at night he is mafia. 100%.
if not he is confirmed. medics should cover someone below 5.
if there was a copy cat he should team with rastaban. or someone who could possibly of chosen tracker. so below role 10. althiygh people may of picked it sooner. who knows.
bulletbill, look at the pod....those are arguably my best ideas
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On August 27 2010 13:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: so who are we having cops check? role cop should definitely hit whoever was to pick someone low on the list. more likely to hit a vanilla, and get a decent role...or check radfield even...or the last person in the draft.
as for roleblocker if there is one, should block a vet player.
tracker should probably follow divinek. if he visits anyone at night he is mafia. 100%.
if not he is confirmed. medics should cover someone below 5.
if there was a copy cat he should team with rastaban. or someone who could possibly of chosen tracker. so below role 10. althiygh people may of picked it sooner. who knows.
bulletbill, look at the pod....those are arguably my best ideas ...Blues, listen to me. These are the actions most important. The tracker will do what he's supposed to do tonight, I know for a fact. Regardless, he will come back with important information.
The alignment cop, I know there's one out there, should check someone who has a high likelihood of being lynched. Only role I didn't suggest doing an action. My bad.
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And no, that wasn't a soft blue/green claim, I followed the plan, I just know someone low on the totem pole had to of picked alignment cop. Makes sense to add as much detective power as possible. It's an important role, as much as radfield tried to diss it.
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On August 27 2010 22:12 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 18:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: And no, that wasn't a soft blue/green claim, I followed the plan, I just know someone low on the totem pole had to of picked alignment cop. Makes sense to add as much detective power as possible. It's an important role, as much as radfield tried to diss it. The issue I have with the alignment cop, is that is is a role with only a 33% chance of working when you get it due to the three sanities. Of course if someone already has it then yes, they definitely should be trying to learn their sanities. I would actually recommend checking SR since according to plan he is the next one to be lynched. I'm not lynching SR, just because he's retarded. Role cop is to check above him, and that should suffice. Comp vig can hit him night 2 if it's gotta be that way.
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On August 27 2010 18:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: And no, that wasn't a soft blue/green claim, I followed the plan, I just know someone low on the totem pole had to of picked alignment cop. Makes sense to add as much detective power as possible. It's an important role, as much as radfield tried to diss it. -_- If role cop feels like finding traitor, check about south or check south. If rolecop feels like finding mafia? Check below the list.
Honestly, this traitor shit, could just be to get mafia to waste night actions on the top of the list too. They are kind of useless roles for town up there.
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On August 21 2010 01:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 01:14 chaoser wrote: how can we have a secret alliance if there's no PMs? =[ unless.... Mason...indeed. I was thinking that. Or we could incorporate everyone in my secret friendship alliances into THE Secret Friendship Alliance and have each person be Mason, Pardoner, Martyr and even a Bad Santa to ensure that no SFA member will backstab each other.
Pandain, I love you, and that plan was actually pretty...brilliant. Lol.
Why we didn't make Bad Santa's list for him is insane.
Radfield, JeeJee, Fishball, ~OpZ~, and Subversion (Darth can/should be swapped in there with any other person, I honestly just forgot he was playing) would of been a decent list. Vet's would want to off other vets, especially if they were in position to get good roles. (Subversion may not be a vet, but he was in a good position for a good role that would be worth offing. One of me, Radfield, JeeJee, Fishball is likely mafia. Radfield always dies night one, and if he lives past = mafia/vet/LUUUUUUUCKY/SK (sk also applies as lucky))
On August 21 2010 05:15 SouthRawrea wrote: It'd be extremely beneficial for town and for any players thinking of taking traitor to avoid taking it. If you join the maf, you don't add a KP but just make it harder for us to kill the entire maf team off which actually is fairly easy if confirmed people are already established and we have our investigative roles alive. If you end up picking a power role however, you're taking a possibly significant role away from the opposing team, giving your team a bigger benefit than just adding a member.
(Basically if you join maf by choosing traitor, you're not really helping them. If you stick with town by picking another role, you add a potentially good role to town/take one away from the opposing team. Not to mention if mafia is shafted with having one of the last picks, they may end up getting traitor which would be completely useless to them. Another superbonus :D)
Stick with town. Fight team fight!
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On August 21 2010 06:09 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 05:58 DarthThienAn wrote: Doubt it, as mafia have 4 players. Unless they're just trying to seem pro-town, it's a pretty big commitment on their part to take something like alignment cop (just an example). Role cop/JOAT is pretty useful to anyone.
How do you know mafia's got only 4 people...it's not listed in OP how many there are...
Darth is always a good lynch candidate/kill. He's...Different. Lol. So we should consider getting him to post. Also, he said mafia has 4. It had been posted so much by different people I just assumed it was four just a few pages ago, and iirc Citizen corrected me, telling me the number isn't in the OP. How did we miss this, but I wouldn't expect this mistake from Darth, and I'm leaving out the post afterwards, so here's the link. But we should definitely be suspicious of him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=8#153 Darth had some HEFTY support of Radfields plan, and I don't see him around no more. Radfield even posts defending Darth's possible slip up. + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2010 07:03 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 06:41 Pandain wrote:On August 21 2010 06:09 chaoser wrote:On August 21 2010 05:58 DarthThienAn wrote: Doubt it, as mafia have 4 players. Unless they're just trying to seem pro-town, it's a pretty big commitment on their part to take something like alignment cop (just an example). Role cop/JOAT is pretty useful to anyone.
How do you know mafia's got only 4 people...it's not listed in OP how many there are... Great catch Chaoser. (definitely picking you once I get Mason XD). Usually I don't suspect people on day 1 but this was such a big slip up. Any plan that involves people should be wary of Darth now. meh, I was also assuming there were 4 mafia. All this shows is that Darth played PYP1. With the influx of anti-town roles, I can't imagine there are any more than 4 mafia, which means there are either 3 or 4. Could be a mistake, as I said, but notice how connected they are.
On August 28 2010 01:09 SouthRawrea wrote: Well if town really wants to take a leap of faith for me, we should find the next candidate for a traitor and off me in the night. Why are you so concerned about this? Why should we off you? DO YOU WANT TO DIE?
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Seriously, is there a village idiot role I didn't know about? OMG, that's it. SouthRawrea is village idiot!! He win's if he gets lynched/killed by town!!
-___- Serious time.
Radfield, who do you best feel should be tracked? Same question to anyone that feels like answering.
Why would you propose checking zeks role, as opposed to someone low on the list, who is more likely to return a role of Vanilla?
(Ace, is it Vanilla Town, Vanilla Mafia, or just Vanilla? Plz God tell me it's Vanilla Town/Mafia, not that I care too much anymore. Playlist should be decent I figured but so many vets not posting shit. Damn, this question is answered already, nevermind. DAMMIT FUCK WE LISTENED TO RADFIELD. I guess I can't sit out before picks now god dammit!)
BrownBear, Mr. Godfather of TL Mafia Porn, plz let me know some of your thoughts as of yesterday. The lynching of Hesmyrr. Someone please explain why we didn't lynch the PoD? He was in just as boring a spot as Hesmyrr was, except he KNEW he had a role he would never get to use. Zeks had role cop, a decent role in comparison. (We need atleast one medic protect Zeks, I had forgotten to say this, but he is still less useful than tracker/bulletbill in my eyes, so I honestly don't know how I feel) Why would Zeks go traitor then? PoD would be a better position to go traitor. LSB would be a better target, and has so far escaped much scrutiny.
Meaning, BrownBear, step your game up of I will seriously press you. You set around last game a little to complacently.
This post was originially dedicated to LSB, but fuck. Dude offered to be day vig'd instantly. =/
He could of picked traitor tho, but I dunno. I feel I've moved a hefty amount of content into this, and I need to go, at GF's so....Yea...
Radfield I'm going to come back to you, but as a note to self... + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2010 08:52 Radfield wrote: Another consideration, If jeejee is picking 1, and presumably will be drafting first, is he prepared to take CompVig. If not, I see that as extremely anti-town. If he doesn't want CV then fine, pick another number, but whoever gets to draft first HAS to take CV.
Likewise, if Darth is picking second, is he prepared to take Copy Cat. Again, it's very important that we know where Copy Cat is. The reason being, some random mafia gets Copy Cat, and we lynch a vanilla townie on day 1, then on night 1 the mafia can kill the CompVig and Swipe the role. Of course the doctor comes into play, so this probably isn't that big of concern.
Anyways, the real question is, are people prepared to follow a town role picking plan, or are people simply going to pick whatever they want to pick. On page ten you were talking about copy cat...I missed much of the early discussion, mainly because I refuse to play PYP til Draft/Pick phase are over. I did it last game too, so until I look again at Radfield, don't lose any sleep. I'm gonna check it out, but I dunno yet. Sorry Radfield, kinda turned into a post against you kindaish, but I'll be looking over BrownBear/you/Darth, and anyone who supported your plan instantly.
Conclusion, LSB is likely town. -_______-
Darth+Radfield, possible connection.
Actually, just skimmed Darth before I go, he should definitely be put under a microscope. Lots of posts, but besides his post last page and him posting supporting Radfields plan, no content afterwards. No opinion one way or the other.
Darth would possibly be a good BulletBill....
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EBWOP:
Why would you propose checking zeks role, as opposed to someone low on the list, who is more likely to return a role of Vanilla?
(Ace, is it Vanilla Town, Vanilla Mafia, or just Vanilla? Plz God tell me it's Vanilla Town/Mafia, not that I care too much anymore. Playlist should be decent I figured but so many vets not posting shit. Damn, this question is answered already, nevermind. DAMMIT FUCK WE LISTENED TO RADFIELD. I guess I can't sit out before picks now god dammit!)
-_____- DID NOT KNOW about Vanilla being returned til I reread thread. I ignore Ace a lot. Habit, sorry.
Yes, rolecop. You should be checking someone up in the clouds of the pick world. Below five, but over 14 -15.
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On August 28 2010 02:36 citi.zen wrote: In the spirit of offering my thoughts before the night comes, here's my list of people worth investigating:
Chaoser - too quiet for my taste / not trying to contribute LSB - went over his posts yesterday, he responded fine, but can't hurt to check BrownBear - Too quiet / not trying to contribute siNiquity - A few strange posts here and there, like the little exchange with Fishball or the early argument that we as long as number picks are kept secret we don't need a weighting algorithm Divinek - odd pick + shooting on day 1, even if it was BM.
At the end of the day I fear Radfield might be right guessing we don't have that many investigative roles despite the plan, so we'll need to at least force more forum activity out of people.
You should take a look at Darth.
BrownBear does need to post more. And I'm comfortable on LSB as of right now...wait...shit...I dunno if he knew his role as of then, but he offered himself up to be day vigged in a plan that...involved pms...haha fuck I forgot that. DAMMIT. I deleted my post...>___<
*im crying right now, so upset with myself.
On August 26 2010 22:35 rastaban wrote:
@Opz, this is also why role cop was considered so good. If town took 0 KP roles then when RC found one we could lynch them, it also made BB able to lynch when he found a gun since it was mafia. Since we now have the day vig claiing to be town, and possibly others this method isn't as sure fire, because BB will find he has a gun just like he finds mafia have a gun. RC sees him with a KP role, that we left to go to mafia. Thank you. It's upsetting to me though. I also severely distrust good players. And for some reason I didn't read page 36. Wtf.
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On August 28 2010 04:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 04:12 SouthRawrea wrote: What's with all the confusion about the type of vanilla? Night post said it was Vanilla townie and the colour of the word was green? I think he's wonder what kind of result the role cop would get. Ace already said that Vanilla Sk/Mafia/Town would return the same result. Vanilla
On August 28 2010 04:12 SouthRawrea wrote: What's with all the confusion about the type of vanilla? Night post said it was Vanilla townie and the colour of the word was green? ...should I repost my whole thing MINUS that role cop shit? Or is that what everyone is going to talk about. I put a challenge on everyone in there. What should the tracker do, in their opinion. Now please post that. I think I made a post explaining it already as a matter of fact.
On August 28 2010 02:40 ~OpZ~ wrote: EBWOP:
Why would you propose checking zeks role, as opposed to someone low on the list, who is more likely to return a role of Vanilla?
(Ace, is it Vanilla Town, Vanilla Mafia, or just Vanilla? Plz God tell me it's Vanilla Town/Mafia, not that I care too much anymore. Playlist should be decent I figured but so many vets not posting shit. Damn, this question is answered already, nevermind. DAMMIT FUCK WE LISTENED TO RADFIELD. I guess I can't sit out before picks now god dammit!)
-_____- DID NOT KNOW about Vanilla being returned til I reread thread. I ignore Ace a lot. Habit, sorry.
Yes, rolecop. You should be checking someone up in the clouds of the pick world. Below five, but over 14 -15.
yea...I did. You all gonna do something now or keep talking about that? There is more in my post than that.
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On August 28 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote: I'll claim. I missed the rolepicking deadline, so I'm vanilla.
And I know I've been inactive, I'm sorry. It's about to be orientation week and I'm working my ass off. High five for believing this.
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote: If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3. Good call. But South is constantly saying lynch him. So I'm kind of confused. Playing on towns sympathy?
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On August 29 2010 02:22 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote: Time to be useful. I am the god damn batman
BumAtLarge was less tipsy then he wanted to be that night, stumbling around people's backyards. He had his favorite batman mask on of course. He found himself in a bush, right next to zeks' backdoor! What a nice gentleman, always giving bum change. Before bum had the chance to leave the kind man's abode, a spiffy looking fellow came through the backway (only zeks' closest friends came that way). Bum's vision was wiggty-wack, so he couldnt recognize him. Zeks greeted the man late at night with open arms. Soon after a scruffy man with blood in his eyes, looking for answers cam crashing over the fence. he almost ran right into bum, but he was to preoccupied with his mission (whatever that was. Immediately two other men broke from hiding paces, ignoring each other and heading straight through the backdoor. A large tussel took place, and bum was too drunk to actually help (HE WASNT SCARED, HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN)
Moments later, all 4 men left chasing one another into the night. Zeks, alive thank heavens, stared out at them a few seconds with a wide open mouth, that turned into determination rather quickly. He phoned the police, and bum knew better then to loiter much longer.
The next day, zeks stood in trial to decide the truth to his story. It turns out he was a suspect in the mishandling of some docuements, leading people to doubt him. Bum came up as his alter ego, Brum Warge, homeless philosopher extraordinaire. He verified zeks tune, and gave zeks a wink, but zeks was glaring intently ahead, that determined look again. Bum couldn't really sort out zeks motives, as he never finished 3rd grade, but he was willing to put his life in the hands of the town with zeks to authenticate what happened that night.
THE GOD DAMN BATMAN What are you trying to say? Is this anything meaningful or just useless jibber-jabberooni He just claimed watcher and said 4 people visited zeks last night.
Also, He's fucking bat man....or bat shit insane....but atleast he is drunk.....and at large
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On August 29 2010 02:43 SiNiquity wrote: So bum watches zeks, 4 people (presumably all mafia) visit zeks in the night (i.e. target to kill). Is this number the pre- or post-SK kill? Depending on the answer there's either 4 or 3 mafia members remaining (5 or 4 if zeks was recruited). ...No...4 independent people visited him. Not all mafia. Clearly not because one got merc'd.
A medic visited Zeks (or zeks is BP, Vet). A mafia must have visited him. And two to three other unaccounted for roles.
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On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote: So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing? Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD
He's either BP, or Vet.
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If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.
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Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned.
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On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it?
You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong.
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On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more.
I still feel Zeks is something like SK.
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On August 29 2010 06:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. ...I think the mafia wants to kill zeks because he is SK, and they can only kill him by lynching. That or the mafia got no role. Although they could have scum doctor. =/
Anyway....I'm not going to cast my vote for zeks, if he is SK. Mafia can't kill him and Zeks can't win regardless if he is SK. So...I dunno...Maybe he could help us out in hopes we forget?
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Although Zeks could actually be traitor...It still works just as nice.
Actually...I'm very certain....Still not casting my vote yet....I'm legitimately torn....
Controlling RoleCop that can hit, and is invincible....@_@
Sorry, I'm an optimist
On August 29 2010 09:26 bumatlarge wrote: Look at darth trying to downplay what i did. How could I not have claimed without sealing that deal? SK will die (hopefully) because of me. And declaring people as town is FoS in my book, Ive seen and done it all too often. Hell call anyone scum, but watch what you say about clean people.
I dont really need medic protection unless we plan something, oh what kill are we missing? If I die kill darth, divine, pandain. YEAH THATS RIGHT KILL EM. Darth, Divinek, and Chaoser. That's how I feel. And possibly Zeks/Chaoser/LSB
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HAHA <3 PANDAIN
omg...
Yes...Zeks is SK, even if he keeps spamming town. LSB can logically be the traitor. With Zeks as sk (CONFIRMABLE, We can have CompVig hit Zeks) AND, if Zeks lives, everyone that jumped on Zeks at the end of the day IS, you guessed it, MAFIA.
HAHHAHAHAHAHA
PANDAIN YOU ARE MY GOD
sorry, drunk and excited
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soft claim no pardon, regardless, it gives us a load of information. hahaahaha. i dont care if he is pardoned or not. It will be epic as shit. even if he is sk, not traitor, those that pushed hard for his lynch will be under an ass load of scrutin, if not out right lynchable. everyone elses night actions will be easy to decide
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med prot foolishness, comp vig hit zeks.
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wait....med prot ishball i meant...i forgot your role cop. this supports my fishball as mafia thing too actually...
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actually...med prot fishball.
would weak doctor still protect a red from a hit ace?
heres my idea. comp vig or sk could hit fishball and med could protect him. med will either die or hit will pass through, possibly, if he is weak. but if hes sane, he will protect. fishball could say who he smelled last night...he shoulda been posting in that persons favor today, not beiaway.
anyway, if hes mafia weak med dies, compvig/sk might kill. or just weak med dies if prot still goes. if weak med dies that night we lynch fishball.
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do not martyr fishball. he isn't playing like he is blue at all.
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obvious....listen to me, ignore pandain
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...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town?
You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about?
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maybe now i should say hi to you fishball.....
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Eh, I think peeeeersonally martyr shouldn't protect Fishball. What if we want to lynch Fishball tomorrow Radfield?
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Ace, question about watcher watching a comp vig target. If the comp vig is mafia, and kills someone via vig hit, does it show as all mafia visiting the target, or just the comp vig? You said present for any action on page 44, so I'm assuming yes, but I want to be 100% sure.
Bum, you are going to watch the comp vig's target, if this is the case. It will be the most useful thing.
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On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote: Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? Show nested quote +That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig SouthrawreaWhy the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do?
How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay.
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On August 30 2010 00:40 LSB wrote: I'm pretty sure the JOAT investigated night one though.
If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good. I'm pretty sure he didn't.
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On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow.
Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. Good hit this is, young padowan.
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I thought scum were the only people who support modkills @_@ WHATS GOING ON HERE.
Honestly his post seems extremely scum anyway..."sorry guys, was trying to wait for last minute?" Huh?
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On August 30 2010 00:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote: Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig SouthrawreaWhy the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do? How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay. Sry, you missed this post LSB =D
Him being Bullet Bill and doing anything doesn't confirm you. We know his role, not his alignment. If he is mafia, and you were traitor you could have
A) been converted last night, and he could be mafia, thereby nullifies usefulness B) Be converted by him visiting you tonight C)*Random assortment of you living, and being PoD* PoD is kind of a boring role, so I think traitor is more likely.
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On August 30 2010 03:16 Pandain wrote:Huh this was supposed to be one big post. I fail so much lol. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:45 Pandain wrote:Fun Fact: If you guys had been wondering why I continuously asked if someone had been roleblocked, that was becasuse I am martyr and can be roleblocked. However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die. ). Also, there's a fourth possibility. One of Chaoser, LSB, and even maybe, MAYBE South was roleblocked. And they're not saying because they are traitor. Also opz (un?)intentionally claiming Joat is a concern. Why? Well first of all, why would Joat talk to Opz first? Without any information to give or anything. The only thing I could see is tha the wanted Opz to know he was Joat, but then the Joat wouldn't even know he was safe, so that would be a bad idea. Furthormore, the JoaT would have no need to tell Opz, as if OpZ was not Joat he would already know that the other person was Joat(or there was none at all.) *scratches his chin* I didn't claim JOAT
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I just said I doubt he did.
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On August 30 2010 04:18 Fishball wrote: Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too. Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night. He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player... I was wondering why you visited me last night =/
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On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow.
Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. He did post Ace...
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Can you still maybe kill him. Post seemed scummy.
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No scum hunting....
##Comp Vig LSB btw.
Also, I'm pretty down for night. Radfield would be a good protection tonight BTW. Again, as I've said before, he dies like fuck, Mafia is going to assume I have it, and if Radfield is mafioso, then he kicks the bucket. I'm proven innocent by Fishball also, guaranteed town according to his check last night.
Matter of fact, protection should be between radfield and fishball. I can only track who a person visits using. If they have a night role, it's almost useless, while Fishball can actually check for a gun. And I don't have a gun, and follow to night action. So BulletBill>>>Tracker in terms of importance.
LSB dies, Radfield/Fishball/OpZ 40/40/20%
RNG it.
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On August 30 2010 09:15 Radfield wrote:Autopager is awesome. I had to set something on my page down key and walk away for a couple minutes, but I now have all 56 pages in a saved file on my comp, so I can check it out anytime I want. Hooray! I recommend all serious scum hunters do the same Do we have any way to find out Fishball's alignment? Bullet Bill, nope. Role Cop, nope. Tracker, nope. Alignment Cop, maybe. JOAT! Joat, you absolutely must use your check on Fishball. You are the only one that can. Alignment Cop should also check fishball just in case. Once we establish Fishball's alignment, he can do the rest. However, we need to be prepared for the possibility that Fishball's alignment cannot be ascertained. AC might be naive or paranoid, Joat may have already used his check, or one or both may not be in the game. In which case, we may need to lynch Fishball if he doesn't produce results. btw, you were already town in my books opz What do you make of Fishball checking you and not a different player? Medic check too Radfield...Weak will die, but I want you med prot'd too, so...Sorry...
Fishball shouldn't of checked me anyway... -___-
But, hey...I didn't follow the plan, neither did he, right?
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On August 30 2010 09:46 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 08:47 Radfield wrote:I found this post Jeejee, so I think it's setup properly On May 07 2010 04:33 JeeJee wrote:btw those that are complaining about the lack of an all-button .. yeah i can see how it would be annoying. look into the autopager addon for firefox =) you can set it up for teamliquid as such: + Show Spoiler +On December 08 2009 13:57 onmach wrote:I had to tweak a few things to get it to work just right. For url pattern, enable regexp and use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/(forum|blogs)/view(message|blog)\.php.* For link xpath: (//a[text() = 'Next' and contains(@title, 'Next Page') and contains(@href, 'view')][2] For content xpath: //td[@valign="top"]//table[@width=600] Sure makes following the fitness thread easier. then you can just start at the first page, scroll down until the last page and you have your very own all button ^-^ It seems to take some micro management though, as it only loads the next page once I scroll to the bottom of the page. It doesn't just keep going all the way automatically you can set it to load several pages, i think the default is 1 though usually i just tap my scrollwheel and it keeps on scrolling by itself until i stop it so it loads the whole thread in like 30sec Stop posting about that, and post something useful. Off topic, take it to PMs
I do appreciate the link though, and the rest of it. But, I think it just adds to you appearing scummy, the off topic discussion.
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Fishball was 50% role cop eh? And he's BulletBill? Maybe because he's...I dunno...Acting fishy as fuck. Not to mention when I'm in a game with Fishball I always use whatever night action I have on him Night One (seriously, it's like I have a thing for him or something, he attracts me on night one) And aren't you supposed to be analyzing shit?
Oh, and one more thing Citizen. Fishball checked me, and I came up NOT holding a gun. a.k.a. CONFIRMED TOWN.
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On August 30 2010 22:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 19:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Fishball was 50% role cop eh? And he's BulletBill? Maybe because he's...I dunno...Acting fishy as fuck. Not to mention when I'm in a game with Fishball I always use whatever night action I have on him Night One (seriously, it's like I have a thing for him or something, he attracts me on night one) And aren't you supposed to be analyzing shit?
Oh, and one more thing Citizen. Fishball checked me, and I came up NOT holding a gun. a.k.a. CONFIRMED TOWN.
Of course it needs to be mentioned that you could still be scum if both you AND fishball are scum. Seems highly highly unlikely though. So unlikely in fact, that it's really not worth discussing. I FoS'd Fishball, making it even more unlikely. And have asked for repeated looks at him. Even if he is scum, I'd be good.
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On August 31 2010 01:15 bumatlarge wrote:Rofl at all these ego trips Ive got nothing better planned so ill follow up on that pandian. Indeed JeeJee seems the last person we can hope to be joat, and while its an important role, it isnt our last hope. We already have a bunch of blues running around, we just need to protect them. There is a good chance that those middle people are scum/defensive roles, so I doubt we will see a hit on them. If joat is here, he should probably protect a claimed blue tonight. In fact joat should protect fishball, and a doc should protect opz, unless we plan on hitting one. I feel like I get less priority then the other 2. So if you wanna take a chance, a doc can protect me Again, darth and divine set off bells for me. Fish opz and rad seem like bickering blues trying to get info, but grabbing the wrong roles is fishy. No...I have detailed specific medic protections. Fishballs role is 1000000000000000000000000 times better than mine. He gets specific's whether the person can kill or not. I just follow them, and if they don't go to a dead person because they drafted a role...well...I get useless info.
And I can't even necessarily share with the town in that situation.
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On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote: These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason. Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P Would you do that if you were tracker?
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Maybe Pandain. I'll decide in a bit.
Matter of fact, based on the thread so far, whom would of tracked night one in my situation citizen?
I would like some of your suggestions citizen, because I value your opinion. You are pretty damn good at this scum hunting, you follow? I may of gotten lucky with Fishballs, but he was certainly posting a bit more than usual.
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Radfield, you're better scum hunter than me.
Martyr Fishballs, Medic protect citizen/Radfield/Me/Fishball
I don't care which.
FIshball's role>>Me
GOOD CALL CITIZEN
CV SR
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well thanks for outing me. i assumed you were tracker citizen and was trying to hint for you to play along. bad methman skills talking to mafia. well citizen is mafia. lo sniped radfield so he wouldn't have to arguw his point. i didn't lie. i followed the plan. any townie wanna claim they picked meth and didn't get it?
soft claimed, and got lucky calling fishball out. i was saying hiiii because he posted and i wanted to see if he was around to respod. i have been accusing him if you remember.
anyway, posting from my phone, will be on laterl
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wait. chaosers list makes citi innocent????
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Traitor? I even followed the plan, and was verified by fishball and chaoser...wtf?! Citizen, I was being blatant with my fake claim in the posts to you. When you first called me scum, I figured you were tracker and knew I was faking claiming. I REPEATEDLY REQUESTED OTHER TARGETS FOR MED PROTECTION, saying give me maybe 20%, that fishball/citizen/radfield were better targets. Of course I said citizen after he said I should get it (hmm, I was figuring protect the real tracker instead of the methman posing as tracker).
I also wanted to see if doctor was weak and citizen was mafia.
Guess we dunno what happened with that.
Also, scum doctor could of protected LSB. obvious.
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On August 31 2010 13:39 Fishball wrote: Have anyone thought about the possibility that that Mafia could be Roleblocking/Scum Doctor Protecting LSB/SR, just to plant a seed of doubt, as well as dragging things out even more? I was considering this actually. Honestly fishball, if you're town, games pretty on lock.
You confirmed me, Chaoser confirms me, sin, citizen, bum, I'll assume himself, as we can have JOAT check him, aligncop to it, mass role claim, ect. ect. Oh, and citizens tracks, I want JeeJee to answer plzzzzz.
And dammit, about him not being able to track chaoser to a kill.
Ace, clarify methman comes up clean to BulletBill as a preemptive to the "well maybe methman has kp cuz he kills someone with him" scenario plz.
Lets see opz fishball jeejee citizen bum sin chaoser
7 of us? Out in the open? Now we can prove this by lynching chaoser if we feel its necessary, but then we'd be at 5 after mafia get a kill. And fish checking sin too (...In reply, on laptop, can't really go back...)
Very nice?
<3 you Chaoser. A scum wouldn't go out of the way to save me.
It'd be beyond risky.
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Nevermind....JeeJee needs to role claim and info claim. If he's JoAT he probably investigated SR. If he's mafia...well he probably converted SR.
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....On one hand we can confirm half the town, on the other listen to JeeJee act up. Do you not realize you would be under suspicion for turning SR?
I'm assuming SR got hit and protected by Scum doctor, or LSB did
Who did bum visit last night, LSB I believe.
Hmmmm
Ty
Omg, just read citizens post, he's on.
Shouldn't you be pressuring jeeJee to claim now? What did you find at Darth's house, and why were you there?
Obviously if you were JOAT, and investigated, you would of hit Darth next night. So Either you're Joat and Darth is town or you are scum doctor alignmentcop medic
Tracker has been claimed, Martyr has been, Bullet Bill has been. Hiding information when Citizen said you visited someone? Ridiculous. Either mafia know you are a med, or your purposely hiding information.
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EBWOP: ignore the first part. Lmao...I was mixing you with bum, LSB and SR.... God I need to go to fucking bed.
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Anyone care to tell us what JeeJee was doing at DTA's house?
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If JeeJee lives, I'm voting him for death tomorrow.
I'm not traitor. South was clearly telling the truth....Rastaban had to be telling the truth, cuz hes picked CV.
Hi LSB?
Who wanted South over LSB? Citizen. Fuck, maybe Chaoser lied, who the fuck knows.
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On September 02 2010 01:12 BrownBear wrote: I'll add in, seeing as I'm still the only one who hasn't.
Picked Meth Man, got Vanilla. You claimed you didn't have time to pick role. You die. Mafiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Same with JEEEEEEEEEJEEEEEEEEE
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On September 02 2010 04:30 bumatlarge wrote: LSB thing sounds very convincing, and Id like to think that would make chaoser extremely likely as town. Opz was just being silly, and probably is a methman now that BB said what he did. that narrows it down ALOT. If they keep RB'in rasta, we can pretty much assume lsb is scum.
Doc's should pick a person from the list to protect, aside from opz. We can easily win this if everything goes properly. I wasn't being silly. Trying to draw a hit, but citizen wouldn't play along cuz he thought I was a lying mafia, instead of a lying townie.
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I knew you were Tracker citizen. Why couldn't you just play along. I wouldn't of been able to say I tracked anyone the night before.
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Oh...Sadly...I'm guaranteed life until the end of the game now...FML
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On September 02 2010 08:43 JeeJee wrote: 1. there's no need to make it obvious to mafia who not to hit. if you wish to martyr me, go ahead, but don't choose so 100%. likewise if i'm joat, i'm not going to say i'm protting myself 100%. 2. relevance? I think you're scum doctor, DTA is mafioso, and BrownBear is fail mafia?
Was that how your role pm was worded?!
<3 BrownBear
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On September 02 2010 10:19 chaoser wrote: A question for LSB then, you were suppose to be vigied last night. But CV got blocked. Why would mafia do that if you were townie? It'd be better if you got CVed and then all the suspicion of traitor falls on me. Roleblocker visited LSB night one, OBVIOUSLY
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Why does it seem like allt he unconfirmed are voting for LSB
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Pandain....why are you not wanting to lynch LSB...did you martry him?
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And I don't like the fact that all my suspects are voting for LSB.
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Citizen....Care to track divinek? I'll protect you again tonight.
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Fishball can you bulletbill pandaaaaaaain?
Really......Switching from LSB to BB might be a bad choice.
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Well...I dunno...Not really a bad choice. why claim vanilla if you pick meth man, even if you don't get it. Then don't do anything....argh..
Fuck it...LSB die?
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...If he is town...Plz ban him.
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lol...Fishball dying confirming jeejee would be bad. medic should protect citizen.
xD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA bad position.
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On September 04 2010 03:46 bumatlarge wrote: Divine seems more scum-esque then BB or Darth. Completely agrre rasta. Id be suprised if he didnt pop red. I dont see a point in mafia giving up one another at this point. Id be ok with rasta hitting div. He was actually going to be a lynch suggestion of mine, and I'm sure Citizen's, coming up.
Also, Rastaban has to be CV. I will say, while possible (yet extremely unlikely), he could claim role block and use hit hit for the mafia and instead the mafia use no hit to keep his cover.
An okay track to confirm actually...
Eh...so many targets, so little time.
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On September 04 2010 06:21 Pandain wrote: Tracking to confirm will result in a negative. Whether he is mafia day vig or town day vig will result in the same result. Stick with the plan. I was talking about tracking Rastaban....not divinek....claim he was roleblocked, use his hit as mafia kill, mafia not hit. obv.
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On September 04 2010 08:56 Pandain wrote: Also, I suggest medics RNG between the confirmed townies: Sinquity, Opz, Citizen, JeeJee(if fishball is town), and Bumatlarge. I know I will. I am not to be protected. I'm a waste to protect. I won't be killed for the rest of the game.
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On September 04 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote: cool beans cool beans. Fishball(if he checked me) can confirm me. Unless he was roleblocked -.-.
in either case, now we take care of Brownbear. He's the most likely person to be roleblocker. And if he's not, then we let rastaban mod kill himself because there might be no roleblocker.
Anyway, I'm going to wait for some night results and any new thoughts/ideas, but as of now people should remember that our target for this day will be Brownbear.
And one more thing. Rastaban cannot strategically modkill himself. It's against the rules.
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On September 04 2010 15:18 Divinek wrote: So I'm stuck trying to think objectively, and since i'm invovled that's naturally hard to do. Out of the list of uncofirmed's we have uh
Unconfirmed: Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball.
as pandain said.
so should i be the last one to die since you know i dont have a role that could be hurting town? (since we dont even know wtf pandain is) Or should my death be more pertinent because of my suspicious behaviour? Even though you know my only harm could be being a vanilla mafia at this point. Though would it be better to kill me because you know then you're not killing a potential blue role? But are blues even needed at this point, when we dont know if those are just mafia with roles?
help me out objective confirmed townies
Of course this is me wanting to live, but i'm also trying to look at it in a best way to help town.
On September 05 2010 01:14 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 01:06 Pandain wrote:On September 05 2010 00:58 BrownBear wrote: Can we let citi.zen speak and say if he tracked me before bandwagoning me to death, please? I'm sorry super secret friend, but even if you weren't tracked to anybody it wouldn't mean anything. You easily could have just not roleblocked. Face it, your like the only one who could be roleblocker without there being a bigger conspiracy(aka Rastaban lying, Fishball being roleblocker the whole time wtf) Or you could be the roleblocker... I dunno, either way, I guess I'm dead. W/e. Vote: BrownBearWhen I'm dead, do me a favor and catch the real mafia.
I seriously hate when people vote for themselves in end game situations.
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##Vote Pandain
Him or Fishball. Fishball has been beyond useful.
Stop belaying suspicion on SiNiquity, wasn't he on the ELF list, along with me and citizen? Why are you ignoring that Pandain?
Why should I need to claim at any rate. I was, not only checked by Fishball, but I was also cleared by Bad Santa.
And Fishballs checking ELFs....Why did Fishball check Sin? Wasn't the bad santa list out by this point? That seems suspect. And where is Fishball AND citizen.
Anyone who has a vote on anyone right now is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to think about this shit. Not jump into shit. You people are going to get a townie lynched by bandwagoning, and if we lose a in-the-bag game because you guys decide to vote before hearing everyone? PM prod a hoe. Fuck.
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Also, Pandain. You should be the one claiming. You've claimed pardoner, then lied about it, twice. Said you removed the Pardon Via PM, when Ace said you can't remove a pardon on PM. You also claimed Martyr, but have mysteriously been living.
I think Fishballz needs some lovin. And you definitely need to "martyr" citizen.
Anyway...Eating something. Be back later
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...So don't vote for the unconfirmed martyr?
List of night actions please pandain.
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Pandain. You are working under this assumption you are some how confirmed?
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And lynching fishball at any situation right now, stupid as hell. Lynch for information, nah. We don't need to lynch him to confirm his checks? Why? Most of his checks are confirmed via Chaoser.
I'm with Rastaban on Divinek, but I think Rastaban should CV him.
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If your town. And you die. Your death isn't usually helpful for the town. While I think you are mafia, I equally feel the same about BrownBear. I'm waiting for Fishball and Citizen to speak.
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On September 05 2010 22:03 Pandain wrote: Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here
If Brownbear is town: CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)
Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball. Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.
Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours. ...So...we kill you...if brown bear is town.....then we kill fishball...to prove his results....when...almost all of his results have been on Chaosers ELF list....or died....like the only one that wasn't....JeeJee...
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What part of that do you not get.
EVERYONE, with the exception of JeeJee, that Fishball has checked, has already been proven innocent by CHAOSER. Killing fishball to prove he's right is STUPID, because everyone he checked is ALREADY PROVEN innocent by Chaoser and Death.
Then you ASK to be killed, and CLAIM to be town?
WTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTF
citizen, I want your lynch opinions.
Everyones being quiet and afraid to post, and Pandain is just giving me a head ache. Like...I like the guy, but omg. Wtf...Have you even read my last post beyond the vote for you? I've done explained...
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Citizen....Have you tracked Fishball this game?
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On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote: To keep track of it all:
#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge #3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2 #4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla #5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK #6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla #7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic? #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked #13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF #17 Bill Murray --- Mason #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke
Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.
Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.
Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.
I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.
Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.
Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?
=/ Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-
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On September 06 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote: ## Vote Fishball Fishball did...And you ignoring my posts...
@_@ ?!
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hahahahahahhahahaa called fishball earlier. lets see if im right. said it was unlikely that mafia would forego hitting. maybe they did.
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Comp vig is always mafia -_-
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On September 07 2010 07:35 Ace wrote: @Qatol:
So in the case of say 2 people picking [7][?] but 3 people picking [4][?] you think the 7s should go before the 4s? Basically the more unique your # is the higher your draft position. Right now if three people pick 4 as their first number but two people pick 7 then the 4s act first.
If that isn't it what's supposed to change? I feel it should be the more unique your number (thats actually what I thought it was.).
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