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Speaking of which, Starcraft 2 now has a Mafia UMS map. | ||
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I guess I'll be # 13? You know not everyone is as free as you think they might be. Especially when I had no idea when this game would start. *BM is in this game... | ||
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On August 23 2010 19:52 Radfield wrote: Sounds good, that seems very anti-town though. Instead of searching for scummy players, and trying to win the game, you're knee-jerk trying to vote for me and going to do it the entire game. Not to mention you're giving yourself an excuse for voting, so no one can analyze you vote history  Good luck trying to get enough votes to get me lynched.As you well know, chances are very good I'll be dead after night 2 at the latest, so you might as well put your vote somewhere useful. Also let me be clear BM. It's nothing personal, and I like having you around in the games when I play. I'm not trying to be an ass here. I just think it's too easy for people to policy lynch you, and as you've admitted before, you are a 'gut player' and not necessarily a 'logical player'. For these reasons you could be a liability higher up in the draft list. Honestly, if you were planning on following the plan, it shouldn't really matter to you where you draft. If you weren't planning on following the plan, then surely you see that I was justified in doubling up numbers with you. Nope. He is just flat out insane. | ||
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I think I'm gaining some motivation back to actually play the game now. Hero Divinek! | ||
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On August 25 2010 14:50 bumatlarge wrote: And we all know divine would be chainsaw defending BM in games if he were on the same team. Yeah right. ##Divinek No reason to keep him alive, he's now a useless blue and what he did confirms nothing. It may be slight FoS depending how you look at it, but it's day 1. Point out a better lynch and I will eat my hat. Not that I dont like having BM dead. I mean, if you were Mafia, 15th on the draft list, would you pick Day Vig just to kill a Townie right at the start? As well as drawing all the attention to you? Not impossible, but... come on. It would be an even worse move if the he was SK. | ||
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First off, Hesmyrr, we already know that rastaban would choose the CV and should be the CV now. Why would you pick CV in the first place? I don't really get it. As for SouthRawrea, there is always a possibility that he is lying. The only logical motive I could think of if he is either Mafia/SK, is that he is wants to plant a seed of doubt in our top 5 draft picks. However, these roles, if done according to plan, are mainly Mafia aligned roles. Offing these roles doesn't exactly impact town much at all. However if the town pushes hard and goes through that list, then it could work as a decoy and waste our lynches/CV kills. Long shot? Yes. Likeliness? 33% I'd say. Excluding SR himself, and rastaban who should be the CV. These are the people remaining on the list. 2. chaoser 3. LSB 4. Hesmyrr 5. zeks If we are indeed looking to cast a vote among these people, before we make a decision, I suggest everyone should ask themselves a few questions. - Is SR's claim likely to be true? - If yes, is Hesymrr likely to be the Traitor? - If no, who else could likely be the Traitor? Right now, I'm inclined to believe SR's claim, but I'm not entirely sure who could be the Traitor. Although I'm still wanting to hear the reasoning from Hesymrr, why he would pick CV when it was a general consensus that our #1 draft pick should pick it. | ||
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Will reply when I get home (in about 4-5 hours). Bust at work right now. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote: He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet. Or the answer could more than just a yes/no. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote: He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet. On August 26 2010 06:04 Fishball wrote: Or the answer could more than just a yes/no. At home now. I was on lunch break when I wrote the longer post, smart ass. Yes, I do know about the plan. I know it's 33% between CV, Bad Santa or PoD for the fourth draft, but to me at least, CV is guaranteed to be gone. It is one of the more powerful and interesting roles, regardless of alignment, when compared to others. Technically, I would only choose between Bad Santa or PoD, which increases my chance to actually land a blue role, as these two roles are somewhat less interesting (if you are not Mafia) compared to CV. Also, as the first pick, you just have to take CV. Let's say you are Townie, and you don't pick CV; When the town asks you to hit someone and you can't, you're just drawing unnecessary suspicion to yourself, and would most likely end up wasting the towns' resource, or worse, getting yourself lynched. If Mafia/SK doesn't pick CV, and they can actually hit whatever target the town wants them to, that would also be bad since the real CV would know they are lying. This is all probability, but that's just how I see it. It might sound like I'm accusing Hesymrr in my other post due to my wording, but I'm simply questioning his motives behind picking CV. Is it just random, random? Or is there actually more reasoning behind the decision. I realized I was being a bit redundant. Who would confess the second time if a person lied the first time, especially when he is not caught? Anyways, the explanation above is where I'm coming from. | ||
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On August 26 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote: The reason we felt it was important to put CV in that list of roles pick #4 should go for, is the possibility of a mafia at pick #1. If Mafia get pick #1, they can let the CV role slip down to another mafia at a lower pick. All of a sudden mafia KP gets doubled, and we have no idea who has the CompVig Role. By having Pick #4 randomize between the first 3 picks, it made it more risky for the mafia to employ this strategy. Siniquity raises a good point, Hesmyrr is more likely to be the traitor given that he has much better cover. Both pick #2 and pick #3 run a decent chance of getting immediately caught by pick #4. Hesmyrr also has his history of being very against a traitor role, which also adds to his cover. He's a strong player though, and a loss to the town if he flips green. Also, we should give suggestions to the SK on who he should hit. SK should be playing pro-town right now, and should be eliminating shady characters, or inactive players. You're missing my point. I'm not blaming you or anyone for putting the CV as the 4th pick. The CV draft chance should rightfully be there due to the exact reason you mentioned. My post above was based specifically on Hesmyrr's scenario; More of an "If I were him, how I would think" scenario. We all know Hesmyrr is not likely to be Mafia, or else he'll just be suicidal. Keep in mind, I'm not denying the chances of Hesmyrr of being Traitor at all. The post above is simply explaining why I asked the question hours ago. | ||
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As mentioned before, there shouldn't be any reason to doubt SR's claim, at least for the very first day. Assuming that the first 3 drafted their respective roles according to plan, that only leaves Hesmyrr and zeks. It was also brought up that Hesmyrr would have the highest incentive to choose Traitor compared to the others, due to the high probability of him getting a boring role, Vanilla Townie. This is not a 100% shot, and worse case scenario Hesmyrr might end up just being a Vanilla Townie, but at least we will gain critical information from the SR Traitor claim, and a clearer picture of the top 6. If the lynch does not go through and Mafia/SK doesn't hit anyone in the top 6, then Town is left to deal with this for at least another cycle. Is this the best way to go? Your call. ## Vote Hesmyrr | ||
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On August 27 2010 07:34 SiNiquity wrote: ## Vote Hesmyrr There's 3 possibilities as I see it:
On August 27 2010 07:36 SiNiquity wrote: There's also a 4th possibility: Some Alternative Role: Didn't do what he was told and got some other role. Since he's claimed otherwise, I view this as most unlikely More in a jokingly manner, but I'm inclined to say, "Duh?"  It's like saying, when you have a baby, the baby could be a boy, or a girl, and that slim chanceof being both. You're kinda stating the obvious here. | ||
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On August 27 2010 11:59 zeks wrote: ^ why would you ask for a lynch... what are you trying to pull If you look at it from different angles, let's assume SR is the Traitor (or Traitor wannabe in this case, doesn't matter), he would want the Mafia to win right? Even if he dies, he still gets to waste 2 lynches. It could all be personal alignment, and has nothing to do with his actual role; There have been Green Townies in previous games that have tried to mess with Town. Another reason why he is asking to be lynched, is because this was part of the "original plan" if Hesmyrr ended up as a Vanilla Townie. It could also be guilt. Also Hesmyrr's last post brings up a good point, but Radfield has been mainly pro-town so far (draft plan), even if he is faking it. Although the Alignment Cop seldom being brought up and was at the bottom of the list seems kind of odd. I'm not particularly pointing fingers at anyone, but more so restating some stuff that was already brought up. Right now, I think we should focus more on what to do "tonight". | ||
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On August 27 2010 12:12 SouthRawrea wrote: Only way to prove I was telling the truth. In addition to my post above, this could be a possibility too. Assume SR has been telling the truth the entire time; He picked Hesmyrr, we lynched him and was revealed Vanilla Townie. We then lynch SR and was also revealed Vanilla Townie. Then basically the Traitor remains among drafts # 2-4. Looks bad ;/ | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:22 Radfield wrote: So, Serial Killer picked off a mafia. Someone took a hit from the mafia. If you took a hit, might as well tell us. Just say "I have taken a hit". No need to mention a medic or bulletproof or anything. We can all stay in the dark as far as that's concerned. However, if you got shot, you are off the list of mafia(but not SK) I assume that it was a medic protection, since I also assume that mafia have the roleblocker, which means defensive roles shouldn't scare them too much. Also, why was subversion vanilla scum?? I assume it's because he didn't read the plan and took PoD, CV or Bad Santa. There is really no reason for mafia not to get every role they wanted though. In fact, the plan assumed this. This bodes well on the mafia not really communicating well  Best case scenario all around! Well, seeing that Subversion was a replacement for JSpazz, I guess this miscommunication scenario would make sense. lol @ the SK hitting a Mafia though. | ||
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On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. I just got back from some weekend activities and I see my name all over the place. What have you done ~Opz~? Just went through 9 pages, and wanted to make a quick short comment to the bold part up top. Comp Vig cannot shoot on Night 1... | ||
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On August 29 2010 11:56 LSB wrote: Hey Fishball This is the most important post Feel free to ask questions. I was about to take a shower, then come back and organize myself to reply to some of those posts dedicated to me, as well as comment on our situation. But since you singled me out, in reply to your post, I think this is pretty much the most likely scenario from all the information given in the last 9 pages. All we know for now is that: - Zeks got hit, and Zeks survived. - Zeks claim RC, which means he is either protected by a Medic, or he is the SK. - Bum claims 4 people visited Zeks, and it is very likely that there are at least 4 Mafia. Which also means he could not have been protected by the Medic. - Hence Zeks is an SK/RC. If Zeks lied about being the RC, then he probably is Mafia anyways and should be lynched regardless. If Bum lied about the tracking results, then he should be Mafia/SK. | ||
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On August 29 2010 11:57 citi.zen wrote: Are you kidding me? The 2nd sentence after the one you bold is: I am not going to pretend I follow SR's logic, but that was a very odd post from you Fishball. THAT is what you wanted to comment on from the last 9 pages? Sin's profile quote, which you cited earlier, seems to fit quite nicely: Ok, I misread the post. Good job pointing it though. I also find it very hard to believe that I would make such a mistake when I just got home not long ago, was eating dinner while reading through 9 pages at the same time. Damn the internet is such a tough world to survive in. | ||
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Anyways, in this post I'll focus on replying to those posts directed to me earlier during the day as promised. On August 29 2010 03:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also. So ~OpZ~, I know you like to say you have been following me for a few games, and you mentioned you cannot trust fellow "vets", but lets just find out how much do you know about my "style", shall we? On August 29 2010 03:24 Radfield wrote: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me. Going through 7 games is a bit daunting, especially without the 'All' function. However, I'll certainly take your word that he's posting more than normal. As far as my opinion on his play this game, he was basically off my radar until your post. I didn't have him down as scummy, nor as pro-town. I had looked through his posts once before, but had mostly skim read them. Looking through his posts again though changes my mind slightly. He has posted content, but also a lot of small one-two liners. His content also mainly consists of talk about the traitor, or other minor theorycrafting/questioning. His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor. He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts. My read on him is certainly more scummy than before. Enough to recommend investigation, but not yet a lynch. What are your thoughts? I generally don't like to pull a player's behavioral history from previous games and use it exclusively as a scum indicator in a current game. I'm not saying ~OpZ~ is exactly doing that, and I should probably rephrase this. I actually use this type of information myself all the time, but just at a slightly more sophisticated level, and not just about a player posting less or more. Now Radfield, like you said, I'm assuming you just took ~OpZ~ word, that "I posted more in this game", and went through my posts to come to this comment. I understand where you are coming from with limited information, but hear me out. I started playing since the first TL Mafia, which was more than two and a half years ago. To think that one's "game style" doesn't change over such a period of time, is just plain naive. Now, the first game I played with you was in Three Kingdoms Mafia (which isn't exactly a Mafia game), so you probably won't know my so called "style" just by reading ~OpZ~'s post, so lets try to elaborate on this a bit more using my more recent game history. In your post above, you said His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor. He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts. I mainly play the probability game, and try to come in from as many angles as possible, weighing all the options/scenarios to try to come up with the best decision. Unless something is blatantly wrong, I will almost never directly point a finger at anyone. I usually transform these options/scenarios into multiple questions, and let the players answer them and decide whether to follow suit, whether to agree/disagree with me, and make their own decisions. This way, my thought process is transparent to everyone, and people can see where I am coming from. If everything makes sense, we should always come to the same conclusion. It also promotes different thoughts and ideas when certain choices are weighed very similar to each other. Some examples I can think of are this game, in Three Kingdoms Mafia, and TL Mafia XVIII which was played 7 months ago. Speaking of TL Mafia XVIII, a game with clues; A player pointed out there were set of clues that matched johnnyspazz's profile, Sonic the hedgehog. To me, it was a 100% match, but the majority of the town ignored it. This is the only time I can recall that I pointed all ten of my fingers at a specific player. It was that bad. In Micro-MAFIA (The First), a 9 player game; At the beginning I made a speculation (I know this word is hard to understand for certain people) list based on the probability of where/how the roles would land. It was supposed to be taken lightly (I did say I like to look at things from every possible angle right?). However, certain players jumped on my throat, even though I tried explained multiple times. Funny thing is, even to my surprise, the list was right! Lucky? Maybe, but go figure. In the final win-or-lose moments of that game, I decided to vote for Ace base on this post. This is what I mean by behavioral analysis, and not just "Oh you posted less/more!!". Feel free to read through this game as it is only 20 somewhat pages. So I'm going to ask you again ~Opz~. Do you really know my "style"? | ||
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Yes I am Bullet Bill. Regarding Zeks saying that "I did not follow the plan", just keep this in mind. - Ace Changed the draft pick 3 times - Look at the draft list on page 19 (2nd version). - Not everyone is exactly free every single day. I try my best to follow. I mean if citizen was able to catch my life shattering mistake on page 50, then this shouldn't be such a shocker, right? On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote: 1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed. Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. | ||
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On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town? You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about? =/ - This is Pick Your Power Mafia. What are the chances of getting blue? - I'm have the 8th pick. What are the chances of getting blue? - In a regular game of 30+ people, what are the chances of getting blue? - The last regular game I played was TL Mafia XVIII, 7 months ago. - Extremely defensive, as in showing you, and Radfield who hardly knows me, the logic behind my thoughts with actual and detailed evidence? - You want me to find you those old posts in old games, that I told you to "get you facts straight"? - BB early? Read top post. - Useless content? Normally I wouldn't care about? What? So you're basically telling me you didn't read and/or understand anything I said in my long post. Well I'm not surprised... | ||
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On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote: I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there. | ||
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What if The JOAT is Mafia? The Mafia can use him to blend in, and could potentially sabotage Town plans. Specifics? I don't have in mind, but just a hypothetical theory. That is why things gets a lot more complicated. | ||
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On August 29 2010 16:12 Divinek wrote: i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah... it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming? because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here Who the hell are you talking about? I'm the BB. | ||
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The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too. Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over. I checked ~Opz~ last night. He does not have a gun. I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player... | ||
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The Traitor scenario is only left with 3 players. Assuming SR is the Traitor afterall, do you think the Mafia would actually recruit him? He is bound to die sooner or later. Recruiting the Traitor doesn't increases the Mafias' KP. Leaving SR alone would be in their best interest, while they can focus their powers on other players. The only situation that I can think of where the Mafia would deliberately recruit a Traitor out in the open, would be at an end game nail-biting scenario when a single player count would be a win/lose. Anyways, I think there are plenty of candidates on our player list to check. Some of the fishier players, we have BrownBear, JeeJee, DarthThienAn, SiNiquity, and Pandain. Hell, even Radfield is not confirmed. If I checked Radfield and he doesn't have a gun, Town basically have a smart, semi-confirmed Townie to go to, granted if me and Radfield are not Mafia. I'll be picking one of the players listed above to check tonight. | ||
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On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote: The issue I was thinking of, was that if LSB flips town, we still have to decide between chaoser and Southrawrea. BulletBill is useless on chaoser. Chaoser also has a useful town role right now(if he's not the traitor). By having CV on LSB, and BulletBill on SR, my thought was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. Then it was pointed out that if SR was the traitor, then there is a good chance he hasn't flipped to red yet, so the BulletBill would be useless. Which is a good point. BUT Does anyone actually think Southrawrea is the traitor? I don't. I think he's either a truthful town, or a mafia trying to screw with us(vengeful player, etc). Him actually being the traitor would be a bit bizarre in fact. My big hope was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. I'm not sure if that can happen anymore, so I'm open to other plans. Either a SR or LSB CV hit is fine with me. Hold on a second here. Opz just claimed tracker, OK. I guess he didn't follow the plan after all, that's OK, there are good pro-town reasons he might take tracker instead. Fishball claims he visited Opz, which presumably he did, since Opz tracked him. One question Fishball: Why would you ever, EVER investigate Opz. Of all the people in the game, Opz is absolutely the worst for a pro-town player to BulletBill. Why? Because even if he has a gun, he is the most likely player to be the JOAT. Southrawrea had already admitted not following the plan, so that means Opz is a 50/50 shot at being the Joat. Of any player in the game, his result tells you the least, since if he shows up with a gun, you still have no idea of his alignment(unlike every other player in the game, with the possible exception of Jeejee, the other potential Joat). You either made a very stupid move, or one of two things happened:
You now have two strikes fishball: You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot You investigated Opz One more strike and you're out. In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think.LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] + On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes. If I can vote to lynch citizen in Micro Mafia due to the fact I didn't want to deal with him, and hit BC in another game just because I think it was funny, then checking ~Opz~ with the reasons I mentioned on the other page should be more than enough to suffice. You can question all you want, but just let me point out the following since the majority of Town seems not to realize the following about ~Opz~: On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? On August 24 2010 07:49 Ace wrote: 9. ~Opz~ On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role On August 28 2010 12:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: Hi FIshball!!!!!!!!!!! On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was wondering why you visited me last night =/ Talk about a hypocrite. (To those who still don't get it, he is the Tracker) Damn right I have my reasons to investigate him. I've already done too much explaining. Whether you take it or not is not my call. So if Town wants to lynch the BulletBill, I will gladly cast a vote on myself. On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote: You now have two strikes fishball: You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot You investigated Opz One more strike and you're out. One last thing Radfield, and please keep this in mind; Never use a commanding tone on me ever, again. | ||
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On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote: Really? C'mon now. I try hard in every game I play to be respectful of other players and acknowledge that this is a game of mafia and that at times people are actively trying to stir shit up. If you are trying to pick a fight with me, I refuse to bite. If you actually felt somewhat offended by my post, I apologize for that, but I fail to see any commanding or arrogant tone in my post. I asked you some questions and stated my opinion on you. If I tried to be cheeky at the end, at least acknowledge it for what it is, and don't take it as an insult. It's like you deliberately cut off this line "In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think." in order to make me look more serious and condescending than I was.Anyways, your basic reasoning for why you chose opz is that a) you thought he was scummy and b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it. Neither of those really satisfy me, but again, I'd like to hear some other opinions. It seems like you're trying to softball suspicion onto opz. That makes no sense. You yourself investigated him and found him to be town aligned, so why are you trying to paint him in a bad light? And if your trying to give him being the tracker as a reason why you investigated him, that makes no sense. Are you saying you suspected him of not following the draft picks? I'm not really sure what this means. How can you do "too much" explaining? If you're town you should be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting lynched. Honestly, I feel like LSB has done a decent job defending himself, and I'm getting a more and more townie vibe from him. Do you mean this discussion taking up too much of the thread and that we should be moving on to other issues? That's probably true if that's the case. I'm just skimming through this at work so I'll make it short. - I don't like your tone, no matter what you think. Call me subjective, but you can definitely word it another way around. This is also obvious you do not know any of my post history. Pick a fight with you? Haha. - I'm not soft balling suspicious onto Opz. Like you said, I already "confirmed" him. I'm just pointing out he is a hypocrite, and is the Tracker. Things could have easily be reversed if our two positions were swapped. If you fail to see this, not my problem. - You don't have to buy anything I say, I'm not you. However, the following quote tells does me one thing. On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote: b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it. You're definitely not getting the point. | ||
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Either way, this issue most likely won't be resolved tonight no matter how we switch our actions among these three, unless the person we CV is exactly the Traitor/Mafia, or the person we track is the Mafia. I'm fine with anyone of them being picked. On August 31 2010 06:43 Radfield wrote: If he isn't eventually killed by mafia(which would be foolish of mafia) we should lynch him. The way I see it, Mafia most likely will not hit the CV, unless the CV is about to hit one of their own. Even if the Town uses the CV to hit one of their own, they might just let it slip by. Think about it, it would be very difficult for the Mafia to win with 1 KP against 10+ Pro-Town players left in the game. As long as the Town is able to choose the right targets, then we should be good. | ||
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On August 31 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote: My thoughts on the CV, were that if rastaban is town(which the mafia will know), then his CV works exactly as a double lynch. I would say at this stage in the game a double lynch every day is extremely helpful. We kill 2 scummy players to every 1 confirmed player the mafia can kill. He's a huge town asset. That being said, we'll probably have to end up lynching him at some point if we run out of leads, so mafia killing kinda helps us anyways. Win-win for us if he's town. I know what you mean, but you're missing the point, again. I'm just trying to look and explain from a Mafia stand point; It would also be Win-Win situation for the Mafia if the Town gets the wrong target, and would be reasonable for them to keep the CV alive. It's just the same logic. Basically, the outcome is determined by how well the Town uses the CV, and this is the most important part. On an unrelated note, a lot of people seem to have gone MIA for the past 48 hours, including rastaban himself. | ||
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Oh, you're actually here. Along with you, Chaoser, LSB, Rastaban, BrownBear (as usual) has been MIA for like the past 36 hours. I think even DarthThienAn and Divinek popped by for a post. | ||
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On August 31 2010 11:13 citi.zen wrote: You will be missed. I was hoping to have your help after today. With both of us alive the town would be in excellent shape. Still, we're not doing too bad. New information: Opz lied. He is not the tracker, I am the tracker. A townie would have zero reason to fake claim tracker in this set-up, so Opz must be mafia. Now, since Fishball "confirmed" him to not have a gun, Fishball lied as well. Now, I realize that from a neutral person's stand-point, you have little reason to trust me. So I'm asking you to think through this carefully. Consider this: my claim comes out of nowhere. I don't think anyone had even one vote on me this game. More importantly, if I am lying you will know as soon as we lynch Opz and he flips tracker. At worst this would be a 1 to 1 trade for the town. For the past day I've played along with Opz, pretending to believe him even when he blatantly tried to fish out my role: I stayed quiet to make sure I'd live one more night to narrow down the whole "traitor in the top 6" saga. I was also concerned bad santa could give the mafia many KPs and wanted to check Chaoser. These are facts. Now let me give you some speculation: I strongly believe Southrawarea is also red and the mafia roleblocked the CV hit tonight after I insisted we use the CV on South instead of LSB. We'll have time to sort this out after we kill Opz though. My night actions thus far went to: Night one: JeeJee, saw him visit DarthThienAn. Once JeeJee confirms this action, you have more reason to think I am telling the truth. The alternative is that JeeJee and I are both red, which you would know as soon as Opz flipped tracker. In the unlikely possibility JeeJee will not confirm my story, JeeJee is red. In that case I would not care whether you lynch me or Opz, either action would give you 3 mafia and we'd be sitting pretty. Night two: I tracked Chaoser. He stayed put, so Chaoser is confirmed town. I tracked him because I feared the mafia might have more KP through the bad santa, and because bad santa is a non-traveling role. Plan: Lynch Opz today and win this thing. If everyone decides to follow your lynch, I will cast my vote for Opz as well. But I want everyone, including you, to remember one thing. I said he has no gun, and that is a true as it gets. | ||
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On August 31 2010 11:28 citi.zen wrote: If he flips non-tracker town, I will gladly remove my suspicion of you. If I know he is Townie, and I vote for him, that would actually make me MORE suspicious if he flip Town. No? Since I know my own alignment, and I know Opz has no gun, there are only two possibilities to me. Either Opz lied about being a tracker, and is another blue/vanilla role, or Citizen is Mafia, trying to frame Opz. To everyone else, pretty much what Citizen listed in his post. | ||
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On August 31 2010 12:01 SiNiquity wrote: We have 48 hours before nightfall, don't drop the ball and majority lynch. These are just a few of the questions that must be resolved:
#4. God damn it, read my post above. I wasn't really going to vote for him. That statement was just used to exaggerate my point. Who would be THAT dumb? | ||
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On September 01 2010 05:36 citi.zen wrote: I love how you drop in the thread to stir the pot every now and then. You never follow it up, never point fingers, you just raise these coy little questions. Unless someone accuses you that is, then we actually get long posts. Right out of the mafia manual, right? Give the town nothing. Fishball and SR are my top suspects. Then there's the roleblocker, who has to be one of BrownBear, JeeJee or DTA. I guess you didn't read the "longer" post from me a couple days ago. I explained everything there. This is how I roll. If there are any patterns to track, this is one of them. I'm just simply reminding this possibility with a question. So same thing I said to Radfield, take it or leave it. | ||
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On September 01 2010 06:11 Pandain wrote: Okay so: JeeJee is still not roleblocker. There is a slight chance he could be town roleblocker but a) Why would he do that and b)Why would he deviate from plan. and c) Why would he roleblock rastaban. He could be mafia doctor or scum, but any definite analysis on that will require more information(such as the alignment on darth most importantly.) Thus another reason to kill darth tonight. BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time. Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. | ||
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On September 01 2010 06:59 Pandain wrote: Also, everyone whos not voting South I want a good reason why. Or big FoS on you. People who have: LSB, Chaoser, me, Bum. Fishball, even though my love for you increased 10 fold after you said "That's how I roll", I would like to hear why you are not voting SouthRawrea. You too, Citizen. I never said I wasn't going to vote for SR did I? I simply raised a question, and it got blown out of proportion by citizen. Just got back from dinner, but seems like everything that needs to be done, has been done already. I'm still catching up with the thread right now. | ||
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On September 01 2010 21:04 citi.zen wrote: Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor. No, SR picked CV but said it was taken. | ||
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So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote: BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time. Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote: Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. | ||
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On September 01 2010 23:20 chaoser wrote: While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though. | ||
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On September 02 2010 03:21 citi.zen wrote: How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV. It's fine by me, since I said I'll take suggestions. But why would they Role Block our CV again if we're not hitting LSB? And if we're hitting LSB, and get Role Blocked, and I revealed he has a gun, we still cant kill him until a lynch later, and Chaoser himself is not cleared. If lynching Chaoser flips him green, LSB will have to die regardless, along with 3 confirmed Townies. I really think it isn't necessary to use more resources here. If more people wants me to check LSB, I'll do it. If not, we'll have to figure out our actions fast. So far there are only a few of us that checked in this morning. | ||
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To clarify my wording after re-reading my post. along with 3 confirmed Townies -> and Town gets 3 confirmed Townies. | ||
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On September 01 2010 22:05 citi.zen wrote: No, SR picker traitor. Hesmyr picked CV. I just caught this post while having lunch. You are right. I should restrain from posting in the mornings... | ||
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On September 02 2010 03:58 Pandain wrote: No don't check LSB, keep checking JeeJee. As I said, we need to know whether he's scum or town. Either way, he will be valiuable to that side. JeeJee, if your Joat claim now, so you can protect yourself tonight. In addition, I won't have to martyr you. Also, who did you visit last night. I have a sneaking suspicion it might be JeeJee, but since you are so reluctant to talk I am unsure. So let's take care of this traitor situation. Now as a SFA member I can't lynch Chaoser, but I can advocate for it, and definitely support CVing him(as he is). Because sadly, we cannot tell who Chaoser is. But tommorow we will have a surefire lynch. Tommorow, we lynch LSB. JeeJee, if your alignment cop I want you to investigate one of the confirmed townies (opz or sinquity.) That will help you define your sanity. If not alignment cop and are doctor, protect one of Citizen, fishball, or watcher. If Joat, talk to someone and reveal your results. Talk to me.......! n.n Fishball check JeeJee, However, in the case that brownbear is roleblocker just to be sure we should track Brownbear. Meanwhile, the watcher watches JeeJee to make sure Fishball will check. Therefore, if either Brownbear or Fishball are roleblocker they will either be forced to not use there power or will be caught. If JeeJee is alignment cop(which I think he is unless he is scum), than he will have known his sanity by then. Really though, we can either track Brownbear or Darthien. Which do you guys want? Everyone agree, or disagree? Please discuss. Um, how can I be the Role Blocker when Zeks already checked me? Plus I visited ~Opz~ and Sin. If they got role blocked they would have been notified. | ||
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On September 02 2010 04:39 citi.zen wrote: Quite the slip-up there comrade. In your view the RB would only stop us if we tried to hit LSB, so we should try to hit someone else, whom the RB would let us kill, right? Peach of a plan - let's allow the mafia more night KPs to use as they wish. Trying hard citizen? That statement was just in reply to your idiotic proposal of checking LSB. I try to keep my manners, but it's obviously you're just single minded. I have no problems whatsoever if we try to CV him again, like what Pandain proposed. | ||
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On September 02 2010 06:04 citi.zen wrote: You stated you think the RB will not block us if we hit someone other than LSB. No, I did not say that, nor imply that. That is what YOU think what I said. Simple question, blown out of proportion. Big surprise. On September 02 2010 06:04 citi.zen wrote: I would restate that more broadly as follows: we cannot use the CV hit tonight to kill a red, the mafia will not allow it! Do you still think we should switch our CV target in the hope the hit will go through? I think I know what you're trying to say now. You're basically implying Rastaban will be blocked for sure. That I don't know; I'm an equally good target to be blocked, even yourself as the Tracker to a lesser extent. Hell, we still don't know if we have a JOAT or not. It is also not guaranteed that we WILL hit a red. At the end, they will have to pick. | ||
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On September 02 2010 07:04 citi.zen wrote: You haven't answered my question: do you still favor switching the CV's target? Still favor? What are you smoking? I talked about the lynch, I talked about my check, but I never exactly talked about who to CV. | ||
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On September 02 2010 07:36 citi.zen wrote: Way to avoid giving your opinion, and try to start an argument instead. I thought we WERE arguing. I quoted you regarding checking LSB, you replied, I replied again, and you pop up that question. WTF? It's like we're talking about oranges, and all of a sudden you ask me if I like cats. Now I'm sincerely thinking your either crazy or just plain idiotic. In reply to you dumb question. Changing targets? Changing WHAT targets? Who is our original target? We don't even have one. Pandain is pretty much the only person bringing up CV targets. | ||
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Citizen's logic is making me cringe. Just to add a bit more content, lets assume we do have an original target "A". If town can find a better target "B", then sure " I will favor switching the CV's target". | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:19 Pandain wrote: I'm pretty sure anyone would do that. I think he's asking you whether we should CV someone besides LSB. But I think I've proven that pretty sufficiently. More importantly, what do you think on BrownBear's slip up. Could be legitimate, as in "I don't have time so I just randomly picked a role". Regardless, he is still very suspicious. He has been gone for the majority of the game, apologizing and even pushed to be mod-killed. Then all of a sudden he starts to add his two cents. | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:41 citi.zen wrote: Wrong, in this case that only gives the Mafia more options. If you are wrong about the "better " target it can result in an option to kill a townie. If you are right about the "better" target the Mafia will role block the CV. Fishball and lsb are 90% confirmed reds in my eyes. You can try and frame your question all you want. I can also argue that better targets means 100% confirmed players with guns, which are likely to be Mafia. You never listed out the exact scenario, and popped that question out of the blue. You "knew" what answer I was going to say, and had your "correct" answer waiting. I'll say it again. Trying too hard citizen? | ||
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I checked JeeJee He has no gun. So Chaoser's list is cleared, LSB pretty much claimed Tratior/Red, and BB is also up there. Town pretty much have this. Lynch one, CV another the other day, then go hunting among the "unconfirmed" players. I'll be happy to have myself killed if you guys run out of targets. Town shouldn't need the BulletBill anymore at that point. | ||
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On September 03 2010 04:50 citi.zen wrote: Fishball said he would not investigate one of Chaoser/LSB because it's "idiotic" (after initially asking for suggestions; and yelling at Radfield to "never use that tone with him" for much lesser statements). At any rate. today the town could still have to solve the "who is the traitor" puzzle, possibly wasting another lynch. I really like the way how you take things out of contrast to support your statements. Yeah, I did say I was taking suggestions. I then voiced my reasons, and said in a friendly manner that if anyone else, literally ANYONE would support your idea, I'll go for it. Then you go into "accusing mode" again. That's when you ticked me off and I confessed that I thought your plan was flat out idiotic. If you still don't see why, then you should just go play Pac-Man. Not to mention I was never against hitting LSB when Pandain brought it up, although we end up hitting Chaoser instead which obviously works, and cleared a list of 3 innocent players; One bird two stones. It was obvious to me that the Traitor situation could be easily solved with a hit or a lynch, which I originally proposed the lynch. Why the fuck would you want to waste a BB check on either one? Speaking of which, did anyone ever supported your idea of checking LSB? Anyways, I ended up checking JeeJee who has no gun. Better than wasting my check on LSB, who the entire world already knows he is the Traitor/Mafia now. Oh, and that "interrogating" question yesterday, lol. No background, nothing but a plain question trying to "bait" me. Saw it coming, and it still makes me grin every time I see that post where you reply, starting with "Wrong!". You must have felt all warm and fuzzy inside when you hit "post". Must have felt like a boss on a boat while jizzing your pants. If you think you have a case against me, you are obviously doing a piss poor job of persuading people to listen to you; A crucial element in Mafia games. I hereby nominate myself to be CV'd tomorrow. The Town have this one in the bag, and I should not be needed anymore. | ||
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I'm back for now, or to say, I'm free for this little moment. Been out of town and will be going out again. Schedule quite packed for the long weekend. Role Blocked last night, so I didn't get Pandain. | ||
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I pretty much talked to Ace and Rastaban on Friday saying that the game was already lost. We had a slim chance since the beginning so we gave it a go, but at this point, it was statistically lost. Decided to let it drag out and unfold anyways to see what the town would do. Going out again, so I'll elaborate on how our "real" situation was this entire game when I get back. | ||
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On September 07 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote: Dropping bad santa should be fine. An alternative might be to reduced the list to 3 people: works the same in mafia hands but when in town hands you could at most have 2 confirmed players when someone gets killed. Killing the bad santa would be less appealing. Bad santa aside, I think this game was balanced OK. The mafia did effectively have another player in the traitor + there were some good pro-mafia roles that could have given the mafia extra KP but were not picked (still find it odd there wasn't a GF, even with the buff it got). The SK death/killing a red was twice lucky for town. Chaoser's list was another huge bit of luck: I would have pushed really hard to lynch Opz in it's absence; as it turned out, both me and Opz were on it AND there were also no other red on it AND Radfield had just been killed that night. I don't think this is why they killed him, but I could be wrong. The mafia killed JeeJee to make lynching Fishball less attractive. This is the same reason FB claimed he was roleblocked the following night and went from 90% to 99% red in my eyes. I sort of checked out the past few days, glad Sin was there to finish this strong! Just to elaborate a bit here, I didn't really want to claim to be Role Blocked. I actually put in "orders" to hit myself and call it a day (plus I knew I would be busy during this long weekend), but Rastaban changed it to JeeJee. Me asking to die in the thread was actually sincere. This was on Friday night, where I knew the game was already lost. For the record, I did not hit Chaoser, and I still don't know why the guys did it... Anyways, after that long post from Rastaban on Divenek, I thought it wouldn't be too nice to put his efforts to "waste", so I just played along, despite the inevitable. | ||
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On September 07 2010 04:28 Qatol wrote: I was honestly hoping you would put in an extra mafia member this game. Both in this game and the last I felt the town didn't play very well, killed a bunch of townies, and still managed to win over a mafia team who played better. I guess the traitor fills this void a little, but I still would have liked to see 1 more mafia member. I thought the mafia should have 100% just left the top of the list alone entirely other than Fishball's Bullet Bill ability. The town had devoted most of that part of the list to denying roles from the mafia, so the mafia weren't killing off any super dangerous roles for them (except Bad Santa due to some really bad luck for the mafia). On top of that, south started a witch hunt which set the town in motion killing all of the people in the top of the list, hunting for a player who might not even be mafia. They were looking for 1 player out of 2-6, so a 1 in 5 chance of hitting mafia. They actually would have had a better chance of getting a mafia/traitor by just lynching players randomly (1 in 4). I actually liked the hit on JeeJee. The scum knew there was a medic/jack out there and they had it narrowed down to one of a few players. Other than that, I agree. The hit on Chaoser was probably the worst hit of the game. The mafia should have known that they would be confirming a bunch of players. That hit should have been put on someone on the list. I don't think it's that CV is the best role overall. It definitely isn't from the town's point of view. However, the mafia is MUCH stronger if they get 2 KP. They just have a problem ending the game as it stands right now. So there is a lot of value for the town in denying the mafia the use of that role. More roles that had the potential to kill more than 1 player would help things a bit I think, but they might be hard to balance. A common theme in almost every mafia game is that the town will learn more as the game goes along. It is almost impossible for a mafia to keep the town from confirming a few players as most likely innocent. And that is a big deal as the game starts to wind down. However, it hasn't helped that the mafia had the top pick this game and the #2 pick last game, both slots assigned the CV. That is basically just a wasted role for the mafia. They don't want to be seen as going against the town, but with that role, they will only be able to go against the town consensus 1 time. It is just a hard position to be in. I agree that the mafia didn't incite enough suspicion. In particular, I think that Fishball should have stirred something up earlier in the game. The town was definitely going down the wrong path early, but they managed to get a few lucky breaks and suddenly they're going in the right direction and the mafia has no foundation set up to lead them in the wrong direction. I actually did stir thing up early on, just a bit more subtle. I know I'm quoting your post, but I'll just use this post to list some events and run down of things. - Before the game actually starts, Radfield posted his plan; I see it and talked to the guys, saying that he is definitely one of the smarter players, and needs to be taken down whenever we have the chance. - Me drafting Bullet Bill was a genuine mistake. Like I mentioned in the thread, I didn't have time to adjust for the 3rd list change Ace made. - Subversion was a 3rd replacement, and never had time to communicate with us at all for the draft. Also his time zone is Korea... - DTA picked CopyCat; His own choice, which is fine, but Divinek shooting BM got him Mason, rendering his role useless the entire game. Regardless of the outcome, Divinek will always be a hero to me. Good job! - SR claims there is a Traitor in the top. Immediately, I planned to have this dragged out as long as possible, "stirring things up". I never planned to pick up the Traitor at all, but to use this situation to grab the town's attention instead. It worked out for the most part, until the guys shot Chaoser, one day ahead of schedule. - Rastaban and me were the only active ones at first. Like mentioned above, Subversion is in Korea and rarely posts. Eventually he was killed off Night 1 by the SK. DTA was pretty much playing SC2 most of the time, drawing a lot of unnecessary suspicion to himself since the beginning, and there was nothing we could do about it. Later on, Rastaban was busy with work and was pretty much unavailable most of the time during the day for like an entire week. I was left alone. - After the SK was lynched, I knew our chance of winning just dropped dramatically; Three Mafia with one KP, against the entire Town after Night 1. Great. - Biggest turn around in the game for us: Bad Santa list with all five innocents. If we proceed with the "plan", as in dragging out the Traitor situation with lynches and proceed to hit the "confirmed" targets on the list, we still have a chance. This all ended when Chaoser was hit instead, and the citizen hit was saved. The game was officially over at this point, statistically wise. - I talked to Ace that same night, and told him that I'll just use our Mafia hit to kill myself. I was already too tired at this point, and I pretty much wasn't enjoying the "game" at all. Ace suggested we concede, but I said no, as I wanted to see things unfold; Curious to see how much longer it would take for the Town to figure things out. | ||
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On September 07 2010 14:23 LSB wrote: Oops... I guess I shouldn't have pushed the zeks kill? I was assuming that zeks would be considerably anti mafia (especially since he killed a mafia already, and he would be a SK rolecop and rolecop = bad) Well, sort of yes and no. When bum came out saying there were only 4 visitors , it didn't take long for Town and Mafia to figure out zeks was the SK. He was bound to be lynched. We actually hit zeks too, as we figured he would very likely be the Role Cop, and there shouldn't be any protection. The entire thing was just unfortunate. The SK needs us as much as we need the SK. | ||
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