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Speaking of which, Starcraft 2 now has a Mafia UMS map. | ||
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I guess I'll be # 13? You know not everyone is as free as you think they might be. Especially when I had no idea when this game would start. *BM is in this game... | ||
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On August 23 2010 19:52 Radfield wrote: Sounds good, that seems very anti-town though. Instead of searching for scummy players, and trying to win the game, you're knee-jerk trying to vote for me and going to do it the entire game. Not to mention you're giving yourself an excuse for voting, so no one can analyze you vote history  Good luck trying to get enough votes to get me lynched.As you well know, chances are very good I'll be dead after night 2 at the latest, so you might as well put your vote somewhere useful. Also let me be clear BM. It's nothing personal, and I like having you around in the games when I play. I'm not trying to be an ass here. I just think it's too easy for people to policy lynch you, and as you've admitted before, you are a 'gut player' and not necessarily a 'logical player'. For these reasons you could be a liability higher up in the draft list. Honestly, if you were planning on following the plan, it shouldn't really matter to you where you draft. If you weren't planning on following the plan, then surely you see that I was justified in doubling up numbers with you. Nope. He is just flat out insane. | ||
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I think I'm gaining some motivation back to actually play the game now. Hero Divinek! | ||
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On August 25 2010 14:50 bumatlarge wrote: And we all know divine would be chainsaw defending BM in games if he were on the same team. Yeah right. ##Divinek No reason to keep him alive, he's now a useless blue and what he did confirms nothing. It may be slight FoS depending how you look at it, but it's day 1. Point out a better lynch and I will eat my hat. Not that I dont like having BM dead. I mean, if you were Mafia, 15th on the draft list, would you pick Day Vig just to kill a Townie right at the start? As well as drawing all the attention to you? Not impossible, but... come on. It would be an even worse move if the he was SK. | ||
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First off, Hesmyrr, we already know that rastaban would choose the CV and should be the CV now. Why would you pick CV in the first place? I don't really get it. As for SouthRawrea, there is always a possibility that he is lying. The only logical motive I could think of if he is either Mafia/SK, is that he is wants to plant a seed of doubt in our top 5 draft picks. However, these roles, if done according to plan, are mainly Mafia aligned roles. Offing these roles doesn't exactly impact town much at all. However if the town pushes hard and goes through that list, then it could work as a decoy and waste our lynches/CV kills. Long shot? Yes. Likeliness? 33% I'd say. Excluding SR himself, and rastaban who should be the CV. These are the people remaining on the list. 2. chaoser 3. LSB 4. Hesmyrr 5. zeks If we are indeed looking to cast a vote among these people, before we make a decision, I suggest everyone should ask themselves a few questions. - Is SR's claim likely to be true? - If yes, is Hesymrr likely to be the Traitor? - If no, who else could likely be the Traitor? Right now, I'm inclined to believe SR's claim, but I'm not entirely sure who could be the Traitor. Although I'm still wanting to hear the reasoning from Hesymrr, why he would pick CV when it was a general consensus that our #1 draft pick should pick it. | ||
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Will reply when I get home (in about 4-5 hours). Bust at work right now. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote: He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet. Or the answer could more than just a yes/no. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:42 SouthRawrea wrote: He has time to write all that but not say yes or no? I think the answer we're looking at is not yet. On August 26 2010 06:04 Fishball wrote: Or the answer could more than just a yes/no. At home now. I was on lunch break when I wrote the longer post, smart ass. Yes, I do know about the plan. I know it's 33% between CV, Bad Santa or PoD for the fourth draft, but to me at least, CV is guaranteed to be gone. It is one of the more powerful and interesting roles, regardless of alignment, when compared to others. Technically, I would only choose between Bad Santa or PoD, which increases my chance to actually land a blue role, as these two roles are somewhat less interesting (if you are not Mafia) compared to CV. Also, as the first pick, you just have to take CV. Let's say you are Townie, and you don't pick CV; When the town asks you to hit someone and you can't, you're just drawing unnecessary suspicion to yourself, and would most likely end up wasting the towns' resource, or worse, getting yourself lynched. If Mafia/SK doesn't pick CV, and they can actually hit whatever target the town wants them to, that would also be bad since the real CV would know they are lying. This is all probability, but that's just how I see it. It might sound like I'm accusing Hesymrr in my other post due to my wording, but I'm simply questioning his motives behind picking CV. Is it just random, random? Or is there actually more reasoning behind the decision. I realized I was being a bit redundant. Who would confess the second time if a person lied the first time, especially when he is not caught? Anyways, the explanation above is where I'm coming from. | ||
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On August 26 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote: The reason we felt it was important to put CV in that list of roles pick #4 should go for, is the possibility of a mafia at pick #1. If Mafia get pick #1, they can let the CV role slip down to another mafia at a lower pick. All of a sudden mafia KP gets doubled, and we have no idea who has the CompVig Role. By having Pick #4 randomize between the first 3 picks, it made it more risky for the mafia to employ this strategy. Siniquity raises a good point, Hesmyrr is more likely to be the traitor given that he has much better cover. Both pick #2 and pick #3 run a decent chance of getting immediately caught by pick #4. Hesmyrr also has his history of being very against a traitor role, which also adds to his cover. He's a strong player though, and a loss to the town if he flips green. Also, we should give suggestions to the SK on who he should hit. SK should be playing pro-town right now, and should be eliminating shady characters, or inactive players. You're missing my point. I'm not blaming you or anyone for putting the CV as the 4th pick. The CV draft chance should rightfully be there due to the exact reason you mentioned. My post above was based specifically on Hesmyrr's scenario; More of an "If I were him, how I would think" scenario. We all know Hesmyrr is not likely to be Mafia, or else he'll just be suicidal. Keep in mind, I'm not denying the chances of Hesmyrr of being Traitor at all. The post above is simply explaining why I asked the question hours ago. | ||
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As mentioned before, there shouldn't be any reason to doubt SR's claim, at least for the very first day. Assuming that the first 3 drafted their respective roles according to plan, that only leaves Hesmyrr and zeks. It was also brought up that Hesmyrr would have the highest incentive to choose Traitor compared to the others, due to the high probability of him getting a boring role, Vanilla Townie. This is not a 100% shot, and worse case scenario Hesmyrr might end up just being a Vanilla Townie, but at least we will gain critical information from the SR Traitor claim, and a clearer picture of the top 6. If the lynch does not go through and Mafia/SK doesn't hit anyone in the top 6, then Town is left to deal with this for at least another cycle. Is this the best way to go? Your call. ## Vote Hesmyrr | ||
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On August 27 2010 07:34 SiNiquity wrote: ## Vote Hesmyrr There's 3 possibilities as I see it:
On August 27 2010 07:36 SiNiquity wrote: There's also a 4th possibility: Some Alternative Role: Didn't do what he was told and got some other role. Since he's claimed otherwise, I view this as most unlikely More in a jokingly manner, but I'm inclined to say, "Duh?"  It's like saying, when you have a baby, the baby could be a boy, or a girl, and that slim chanceof being both. You're kinda stating the obvious here. | ||
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On August 27 2010 11:59 zeks wrote: ^ why would you ask for a lynch... what are you trying to pull If you look at it from different angles, let's assume SR is the Traitor (or Traitor wannabe in this case, doesn't matter), he would want the Mafia to win right? Even if he dies, he still gets to waste 2 lynches. It could all be personal alignment, and has nothing to do with his actual role; There have been Green Townies in previous games that have tried to mess with Town. Another reason why he is asking to be lynched, is because this was part of the "original plan" if Hesmyrr ended up as a Vanilla Townie. It could also be guilt. Also Hesmyrr's last post brings up a good point, but Radfield has been mainly pro-town so far (draft plan), even if he is faking it. Although the Alignment Cop seldom being brought up and was at the bottom of the list seems kind of odd. I'm not particularly pointing fingers at anyone, but more so restating some stuff that was already brought up. Right now, I think we should focus more on what to do "tonight". | ||
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On August 27 2010 12:12 SouthRawrea wrote: Only way to prove I was telling the truth. In addition to my post above, this could be a possibility too. Assume SR has been telling the truth the entire time; He picked Hesmyrr, we lynched him and was revealed Vanilla Townie. We then lynch SR and was also revealed Vanilla Townie. Then basically the Traitor remains among drafts # 2-4. Looks bad ;/ | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:22 Radfield wrote: So, Serial Killer picked off a mafia. Someone took a hit from the mafia. If you took a hit, might as well tell us. Just say "I have taken a hit". No need to mention a medic or bulletproof or anything. We can all stay in the dark as far as that's concerned. However, if you got shot, you are off the list of mafia(but not SK) I assume that it was a medic protection, since I also assume that mafia have the roleblocker, which means defensive roles shouldn't scare them too much. Also, why was subversion vanilla scum?? I assume it's because he didn't read the plan and took PoD, CV or Bad Santa. There is really no reason for mafia not to get every role they wanted though. In fact, the plan assumed this. This bodes well on the mafia not really communicating well  Best case scenario all around! Well, seeing that Subversion was a replacement for JSpazz, I guess this miscommunication scenario would make sense. lol @ the SK hitting a Mafia though. | ||
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