On August 08 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:
Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.
We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting.
I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty:
all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.
Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking
im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me
but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi
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On August 08 2010 12:18 Divinek wrote:
i was expecting more spam than that from bm
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On August 08 2010 15:34 Divinek wrote:
oh god this is the best penalty ever rofl
you're such a saint hesmyrr
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On August 08 2010 15:40 Divinek wrote:
i think it would be far too broken if he had even one of the mafia members given to him
maybe he has a partial list of confirmed townies or something and he's voting for ace since he's not on that list?
or maybe he's just being a dick since he cant talk
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On August 08 2010 16:16 Divinek wrote:
it's so hard to speculate things because bm is always weird and there's like an infinite possibility for things you can or cannot do based on what could be given out isnt there
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On August 09 2010 01:21 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:15 chaoser wrote:On August 09 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e.
Pyrr asked that question
On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true.
BM responded
On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace
Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind.
It's be pretty OP even if he got one name of the mafia since we're bound to ask him why he's just voting and then start making guesses to what his penalty is. The two likely ways he's acting the way he is if he's a day-time DT who can only vote and he checked ace or he's just dicking around.
i think both are equally as likely, if not the second being more likely than the first option
it's really all whether you believe him or not, because that's what it is going to come down to. You can't really rely on someone like Ace slipping up, and he's a very persuasive player so he could easily talk himself out of something I'm sure.
But something like this doesnt entirely convince me of ace or bm's alignment. Since bm can act like a retard regardless of his role as we've seen and well uh i could see him doing this just as a way to get ace killed to piss him off.
ill wait for more actual talking to go on before being convinced of something so easily
though i guess bm can't do alot of that at the moment lol
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On August 09 2010 06:51 Divinek wrote:
yeah given what you've said so far you might as well tell us then lol
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On August 09 2010 07:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_-
I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.
sounds like quite the dangerous role to have if you're gonna bring up it's importance and then just not say why it's so bad?
im curious how the ace/bm thing interferes with us knowing your 'role' and how 5 more people would make that situation any different.
ill show you mine if you show me yours wink wink
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On August 09 2010 07:39 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.
Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.
hmm you would think he wouldnt be retarded enough to do something so poor so obviously, at least if he was red since this play puts him right in the spot light, but i dont put it past him. I dont wanna hop on the wagon just yet because he's done dumb shit as town but after hearing him speak i can be more than happy killing him if he's screwing with and confusing the town even if he is green
the mass penalty claim, hm i dont see how it could be bad for town? Unless perhaps there are penalties that relate to death like mine, which could have negative side effects if the mafia kill that person or something?
it seems like it is far more beneficial for us to be aware of each other's restrictions so we dont paint them in a poor light for something they're unable to do, or perhaps behaving in a strange way because they have to.
Could we reason out the scum from having the penalties? I dont know... maybe the scum might make up one that doesnt make any sense and we could try to catch them that way?
it's hard because you have to think like how the host would think more so than just a general idea, though im sure there are some impossibilities we could eliminate based on claims in instances where something would break the game i guess.
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On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
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On August 09 2010 07:55 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:53 Ace wrote:
Chaoser I said the same thing earlier. Especially knowing that BM is an idiot, why would you make up a penalty for him KNOWING that would fuck around to try and kill me. Pyrr should know better than that.
that's unless he's trying to get an early wagon started on you lol
wouldnt that be an ideal first day lynch for the mafia, towns most experienced/recognized name...
i dont like it at all
hm
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On August 09 2010 07:56 Divinek wrote:
also where the fuck has pandain been it's not like him to be inactive
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On August 09 2010 08:56 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
so i saw you posted something and then voted, but can you justify your vote plz or say why you're doing it etc
do you have your own line of reasoning or are you just wagoning cause you hate bm, cause i can totally understand that man
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On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
Talk
##vote BillMurrayOther Issues
-If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D
As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise
AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.
However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM
why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more.
infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
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On August 09 2010 10:04 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:33 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
Maybe I should ask my questions in PM form to the mod then :S
On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain
Talk
##vote BillMurrayOther Issues
-If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful
Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D
As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise
AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.
However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM
why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more.
infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Go brush up on your Propositional Calculus.
And Ace's post seems like complete BS.
BM does a vote post. We all go wtf?
Pyrr was the first one to think that BM might have some post restriction thingy, and so he tests it out. That's being smart. Not manipulative.
you dont need to tell me to brush up on anything believe me!
i know what the basic idea you're getting into was but you dont really understand the fundamental underlying principals and i was going to explain them to you (to demonstrate instances where your reasoning could be faulty since you didnt explain your assumptions), but i realized after reading it over you and most other people probably wouldnt be able to make sense of it
and it wouldnt matter anyways, because now that ace has actually explained the assumptions i agree with what he is saying
that and we practically get to policy lynch someone like bm for lying, if it cant happen in XXX at least it happens here to the badie
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On August 09 2010 10:13 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ace
Nice job for outing like four blues already.
Fuck you BM for screwing around. Don't sign up for anything again if you are gonna play like this (assuming you're not red).
rofl i just vote for bm based on something logical and then you say that
and it brings me to this whole big circle again
is bm actually saying something useful against ace? maybe
is pyrr mafia and trying to use his luck to push us to lynch ace when he knows bms info must be incomplete and incorrect?
is pyrr actually right because what he just said made alot of sense
fuck this game man im asking more questions than im able to answer and i dont like that at all
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
oh dear :/. A random
person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.
Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?
um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty
because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed
and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated
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On August 09 2010 10:19 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched
i just found a hilariously interesting post on page 3 before the game even started
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On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
oh dear :/. A random
person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.
Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?
um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty
because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed
and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated
eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either.
what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it
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On August 09 2010 10:26 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:21 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting
basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what
yeah i'm not very useful
oh dear :/. A random
person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.
Penalties:Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?
um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty
because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed
and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated
eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either.
what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it Exactly. Just make sure you read carefully.
ah you're right, my penalty is one use as well i simply misinterpreted the wording of the OP as well as my own pm lol
however i feel that revealing it would be very not good for town, it is a very anti town thing that has a specific condition
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On August 09 2010 10:35 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass.
If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward.
So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears.
@divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^
We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear.
Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles?
From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds.
So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion.
I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something?
no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^
Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role.
That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed.
Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now.
also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap.
Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
Not at all. Reading the OP:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties.
# vote PyrrBill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum.
why is it that you are certain? it seems as soon as a game comes up with all these new rules i cant seem to understand what is going on (i mean i do have reasons formulating in my head like perhaps demonstrating a bit too much knowledge of certain things, or an attempt to split us up and re direct us from any plan trying to help us like with your penalty plan)
i agree that i get a bad feeling based on what's happened, and i dont like flopping my vote around too much, but i would rather have my vote on scum than on an idiot.
and i just like to see where other people are coming from in order to solidly incorporate things they see that i might have missed
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On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head.
What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list.
wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante.
What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night.
The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2.
and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this.
And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow.
you didnt answer my question
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On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
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On August 09 2010 11:04 Divinek wrote:
mmm i dont like this way people's reasoning is going
that if your penalty is such and such like 'you can only use your ability every other night' then all penalties should accurately describe the nature of the person
sure that SPECIFIC example does make the person look awfully blue
but i can assure not all penalties do, as mine makes me look just the opposite of what i am, if you're following that line of reasoning
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On August 09 2010 11:07 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:
ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr
oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense?
lol well
more stuff can be more to digest, so i prefer simpler as im a fan of occams razor
i really just want your reasonings, all of them, for believing he is scum as you obviously demonstrate a better grasp as to wtf is going on in this game with rules/roles/other stuffs that are confusing me and i dont like a confused town/townie
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On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.
Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted.
At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
what did he do that was against the rules?
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On August 09 2010 11:47 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.
Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted.
At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now.
what did he do that was against the rules?
If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule.
well to be fair it was a random vote that only meant something because someone made something out of it. People do place holders or random votes all the time in periods such as the RVS and such. But it is possible that he knows something we dont isnt it, with all the weird roles out there. Like maybe his final votes have to always be on the person with a first letter closest to the start of the alphabet..the possibilities are infinite and he really should try to explain himself.
But BM always does things at the risk of screwing the town over this is not new.
Perhaps we should always kill him day 1 or get him vigi popped otherwise if he doesnt stop acting so retarded. It really is annoying
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On August 09 2010 14:03 Divinek wrote:
thank you bill for actually making a real post and trying to help the town out, it feels like ages since ive seen that lol
and now that i got what i wanted from ace, his post seems to confirm his aligntment for me for now and thus it seems perfectly right to believe him
so im definitely believing my original intentions, now that the votes on bm actually pressured him into talking, and getting this wagon starter on ace lynched
##unvote
##vote pyrr
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On August 09 2010 14:20 Divinek wrote:
my penalty is roughly
if a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on me for the following night
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On August 10 2010 10:58 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 09:26 zeks wrote:
lets just get rid of one (or more) of BM and Ace and reset from step 1
if not one of you (or more) are scum then considered my mind blown - 3 of the "best" players on a see-saw for the past day or two and all end up town? i dont buy it
surely you mean 2 of the best players. I dont think BM is banned from ace's games because his play is so good it breaks the balance factor
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On August 10 2010 12:24 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Pretty desperate. If I didn't know better (I'm sure you'd make a 5 paragraph essay speculating in a roundabout way about how do not know better) you would like me to use my ability, wouldn't you?
well if you did use it then you really would be a god in this game wouldnt you
or at least an immortal!
that's quite the one up
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On August 10 2010 12:53 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Yeah it would seem Ace doesnt care whether or not I use it. You would think a townie would say that that would be a very bad move, but that's probably my noobie tendencies talking. I mean how bad can it be to give mafia 4 against, whats this now? 8 then? Hmm and no DT because, oh look hes dead! Because of some brilliant plan! Man what should we do now Ace?
well i think the only thing we gain from it is a confirmed townie. But in a game with such a small number of players, shifting the balance by TWO people, 1 for each side is down right ridiculous and i dont think you could ever justify using it. Like seriously even if you were to be lynched it'd be better to give town -1, than -1 and +1 mafia, unless you knew for sure someone else was scum or something.
Because a confirmed townie isnt really much to go off of what with us not being allowed to pm and stuff this game, that and probably our only dt is dead anyway.
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On August 11 2010 08:51 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 08:49 LSB wrote:
FYI, Nytophobic is a fear of Darkness. Maybe Ace had to pick who to save during the day?
hmm that would make sense with the telegraphing thing then wouldnt it
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On August 11 2010 09:45 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 09:35 bumatlarge wrote:Well it's starting to make a little sense how this all came to be. Bill is Bill and does his Bill thing. Pyrr in all his DT glory goes ahead and makes a silly assumption about bill right off the bat. Bill being Bill, he agrees and essentially lies (
) Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic.
Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done.
policy lynching always seems to be what gets bm.
I'm kind of interested in the people who were going balls out at arguing against ace, because obviously if they knew he was going to die at night it would make them look pretty good.
Not that their arguments weren't justified, they certainly seemed very solid. It just makes it that much easier to come off clean.
Without a vigi claiming it would be silly to assume that's how ace died, because a vigi has little reason not to claim now after doing that. But someone like lsb assuming he did to possibly draw suspicion off him self for reasons stated above it quite interesting.
I'm curious if we had any other blue roles with powers like maybe a watcher or something that found anything out. But unless a vigi claims im very weary of at least one of the people pushing for ace to die.
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On August 11 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 10:54 Scamp wrote:
Mafia have no penalties. Read the OP.
Now, maybe someone has a power that forces them to do that, like their hit got deflected or something.
It's pretty fucked up that that might make the most sense if we didnt have a vigi shot
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On August 11 2010 13:50 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me.
Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm.
So he's either lying about his role, and he's town
Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia
either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf
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On August 12 2010 08:30 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 01:51 Korynne wrote:
Oops, thanks Hesmyrr.
In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating...
fuck yeah i am!
so ill be on in spurts tonight cause my bday!
anyways my adjective is Unwary, and ive mentioned my penalty before, but i cant get specific cause that'd out my role
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On August 12 2010 17:29 Divinek wrote:ok so i am extremely inebriated, but i wont be on until just after dead line, or maybe just before if i drive fast cause of work so this will be my vote/justification until then
lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo
Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:47 youngminii wrote:
LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED
WILL START READING LOL
spam
Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 09:11 youngminii wrote:
Cool so the doctor stabs the DT and then gets killed.
Does anyone think that he might have been Vigi shot? Seems like a plausible explanation to me although that leaves the question of where the mafia KP went unanswered.
states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious
Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump.
It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass
WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else
Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 23:54 youngminii wrote:
My adjective is "selfish" which matches my real life persona.
well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something
Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.
##Vote Bill Murray
Lynch All Liars.
policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it
SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize
YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed
ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances
so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you.
cheers
##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh
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On August 13 2010 08:36 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote:On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser
The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me
Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game.
Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.
hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay
also he's not going to get mod killed
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date.
And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly.
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On August 13 2010 12:34 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 11:51 youngminii wrote:
Wow what the fuck, okay.
The Selfish Townie hopes all you motherfuckers die.
lol i guess you played your role out quite well, all game then.
i suppose there's not much to do but wait to see what happens with bm's claim and see who goes down from his shot or if he gets shot, and stuffs
though the late, last minute votes were kind of interesting. God im still feeling hung over
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On August 14 2010 08:34 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:05 citi.zen wrote:
Lol @ korynne and lsb. Hit tonight = dead townie. It's fine, lynch korynne afterwards.
yeah seriously, why on earth would you pop a vigi shot without any evidence of someone being scum. Wasting a vig hit is the same as wasting a lynch you don't want to do it.
All using a vig hit does, if you miss hit, which is more likely than a hit given no sure fire proof, is confirm someone as town.
Confirming one person as town gets us alot less close to a mafia considering missing a vig hit and killing a second townie in one night leads to bad stuffs. At least this is how i feel about it. I would hope that sounds reasonable to at least some of you non reds out there.
Especially since it was publicly announced how the vig has to restrict his targets, reds could easily not vote for that person, or if they had already voted for someone else/abstained just keep it that way and then guarantee a double kill
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On August 14 2010 12:50 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:Look at this vote list:
youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp
chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks
Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB
Bill Murray (1)
youngminii
Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme
The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now.
Meaning:
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Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed").
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Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red.
I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it.
That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne.
The weekend is here!
hm you present an interesting candidate i will be sure to do a full analysis when i get back from getting smashed out of my mind. I feel that this is when i think with the most clarity
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On August 15 2010 03:25 Divinek wrote:ok so i didnt even make it to my room last night LOL
anyways as promised
Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 00:11 Korynne wrote:
Can we vote for no lynch? I'm totally down for that (minus the fact I can't change my vote to reflect that).
We're voting to lynch youngminii (or alternatively for no lynch), he doesn't need to be on the bandwagon for us to lynch him...
We can decide afterwards in the no lynch group or in the youngminii group, whichever one is the bandwagon of the day, who we want BM to vigi.
woo go anti town plan! Not lynching gives the mafia a whole extra night to kill someone. While the town potentially only gains the the death of a townie
Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
really pushing the hit huh, it's almost like you know no scum are gonna get hit. You know ive had my suspicions about citizen but when you seem so adamant on getting someone on the young wagon killed i start to not be so worried about him and be more worried about your god damn anti town ideas. Yeah lets kill 2 towns in one night!
why would mafia want him dead so badly? If they know the mechanic behind his shot restriction they can avoid it somewhat easily, and get 2 kills a night instead of one rofl. HOW DO PEOPLE NOt SEE YOU AS RED
Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation.
what the fuck is your argument? Surely the same thing, so by this very merit your argument is poor and we should lynch you. Which by god we will do you scum bastard
i have a very hard time ever telling wtf bm is because his play is so retarded regardless of his alignment. But think about it, town REALLY has to have some sort of KP role this game
and if there was another vig bm would be 100% dead by now.
Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote:On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote:##vote korynneOn August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight.
Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol.
Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM?
Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys.
FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen.
Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances.
ROFL a restriction that he cant kill bm? please get your head out of your ass, that would be the worst restriction on a vig possible. That's like one of the few ways he can guarantee hit a red is a fake claim.
Yes EVERYONE ELSE is like dont waste a shot, yet you're so intent on him wasting a shot and potentially killing a townie, which would damn near end the game for us. I would like to lynch at least one mafia this game, so I'm not going to continue to breeze over your empty anti town logic anymore
If you're done giving him chances why isnt your vote on him? I know you can't change it but that sounds like a pretty absolute statement. OH THE FANNING OF THE FLAMES
Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 13:23 Korynne wrote:
Wait... citi.zen so you're saying that reds would just absolutely not vote for the majority? Would seem kind of stupid to put all your eggs in one basket. Not to mention how hard it would be for town to coordinate 4 people onto someone.
I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons...
So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO.
i agree that it is pretty ludicrous that no reds would vote for majority. It is possible but i believe it to be unlikely, naturally though they would limit their numbers on that wagon as much as possible.
I suppose you can only trust me based on your own nose, though if you really wanted i could role claim and you could discern the legitimacy of it based on what has happened.
As for scamp..i dunno. I haven't gone through his post history much because such obvious targets as yourself present themselves
note the bolded part, im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation for not wanting to mindlessly waste a vig hit, so now you're just LYING. And yet you kept pushing for him to hit someone on that wagon
almost like you KNEW he would hit whom you wanted to hit
you're going down today you scum fuck, i know you're a good player and can talk your way out of things but not this time
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On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 07:53 LSB wrote:
Case Study, Youngminii
Divinek makes a drunk post. Wants to kill Yongminii because he hasn't contributed anything to the town. Mentions one kindof scummy post
citi.zen pops up and agrees with Divinek
Bill Murray wants to kill someone
Scamp randomly appears and kills Youngminii
Scamp. Why did you want to kill Youngminii?
I think this is very suspicious.
BM wants to kill someone instead of nolynch, understandable.
Citi.zen, idk, it seems a bit too early to bandwagon, but if the mafia is Citi.zen/BM/Scamp it would be understandable as an easy diversion from BM. It seems like Citi.zen wants to defend BM.
Citi.zen has been defending BM a lot, now that I think about it
Another group I am very suspicious about. DDivinek/BM/Citi.zen
Look back at Day 1. Divinek/BM voted for Pyrr, and Citi.zen switched his vote off BIll Murray, killing Pyrr.
Divinek/BM/Citi.zen got Yongminii killed.
And now Divinek/BM/Citi.zen is trying to get Koryane killed, say wut?
They all have a 0/2 record for voting. I'd be wary about following them
yeah lets ignore all the other people in the game then D:
if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence.
you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills.
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On August 16 2010 08:33 Divinek wrote:
lame jayme didnt contribute anything but fanning a few flames early on before he went quiet, makes me need to put FoS on him/darth whatever
darrrrrrrth where are you
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On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night"
What negative impacts come from this?
FoS: Divinek
i cant say exactly what it is, because
if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met
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On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:"Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night"
What negative impacts come from this?
FoS: Divinek
i cant say exactly what it is, because
if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met
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On August 17 2010 04:07 Divinek wrote:we could try but he might stump on us
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On August 17 2010 05:01 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:18 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 17 2010 04:07 Divinek wrote:On August 17 2010 03:20 DarthThienAn wrote:
Can we lynch bum? :D
we could try but he might stump on us
Oh. I totally forgot about that. I still don't fully understand that. Does someone get converted? Or is one person just considered toward the mafia count? It makes sense that it only happens to one person so then it'd be -1 townie and +1 mafia, in the same way that recruitment works. Whether or not they become part of the mafia team is questionable. Also, how does that person get picked? I want answers!
im fairly sure it just changes the overall count, so mafia can only win quicker and dont actually get an extra member. Because if someone got converted that'd be ridiculous. Though i wouldn't put that past this set up
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On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote:
seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes
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On August 17 2010 07:09 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:00 Korynne wrote:
Alright, well I will vote for chaoser then. I can't switch my vote, so bandwagon up everyone~
##Vote chaoser
okay
i dont really have any good reads on him but he's been way too quiet and this does help things along if bm fucking decides to actually pop you or whatever
##unvote
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On August 17 2010 08:01 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
Too many people voting for chaoser...
Despite that post I need to think. Obviously, if we lynch a townie, BM does not use his vigi hit. So that fails.
Alternate plan?
1) Lynch Korynne.
Korynne mafia: we tell BM to shoot someone on the list who we suspect (multiple names!). If two people die, then BM is confirmed townie. If one person dies, we lynch BM - if he's mafia, great, if he's not, we're.. back at lylo I think.
We're at 6-3
Lynch Korynne: 6-2
BM + mafia both hit townies: 4-2, with a confirmed townie (unless mafia hit BM)
BM + mafia hit 1 of ea: 5-1
only one hit: 5-2 --> lynch BM (townie) 4-2, lynch BM (mafia) 5-1.
Korynne townie: we tell BM not to shoot anyone.
6-3
Lynch Korynne: 5-3
Mafia hit someone tonight: 4-3
in which case we're at lylo. This means that Korynne dies today, and BM may/may not shoot one of the Korynne voters tonight. Thoughts?
man i totally didnt realize we could lose from this rofl, cause townie plus nk plus vigi is 3 and i thought mafia had to out number town not equal them.
However say we lynch anyone today that is town and then it's
5-3, and then say bm announces his hit and they stack with bm's hit or just dont do a hit then it's 4-3, and then if you lynch him because only one person died we lose...
or they could obviously just hit someone else and out right end the game if bm follows through with his vigi hit.
but obviously if we hit a mob with our lynch it'll be alot better cause then it's like
6-2 and bm can hit anyone and mafia couldnt stack their hit with his because that'd be senseless so it'd probably go to
4-2 or if we get lucky 5-1, which the latter would certainly be winning for us.
So i think if we lynch whoever we lynch today if they flip town then BM CAN'T shoot, but if they flip red the hoorah, do people think that korynee seems like a much more compelling case than chaoser at this point? (because we dont have to worry about her not begin on the wagon if we lynch her, in order to be shot)
i mean yeah no one is defending him but maybe that's so they dont look bad? gah there's too much god damn wifom shit in this game
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On August 17 2010 08:54 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 08:12 citi.zen wrote:
Here:
Unvote
##vote korynne
If you two switch, we have the votes since korynne can't switch.
if she stays quiet until too close the deadline then you have my vote
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On August 17 2010 08:59 Divinek wrote:
ah nvm i have to leave for a few hours, gotta help my brother organize all his fancy wedding gifts
##unvote
##vote korynne
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On August 17 2010 12:08 Divinek wrote:like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp
well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man
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On August 17 2010 12:48 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
If I mishit we lose, unless mafia hit a veteran or we have another penalized doctor
what am i supposed to do?
i think it's pretty well given that you can't shoot unless you're 100% gonna hit a mafia, and since we have no where near that amount of certainty shooting is out of the question
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On August 18 2010 14:59 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 12:43 chaoser wrote:
I'mma FoS citi.zen for now and I'll post my report tomorrow, gotta wake up early to check out housing in philly
NO NEED
since it looks like citi.zen is going to die i might as well confirm your suspicions and guarantee us a sure hit, so he can't sway your heart with his devilish tongue, because i will surely be the night kill as a result
first of all my role is
Unwary TrackerMy visit list goes like this
Night1:
Ace :/, i coulda confirmed him the day after if he hadn't been hit
Night 2:
Bum
he didnt visit anyone so he is cleared
Night 3:
citi.zenmy message read loud and clear that he killed/visited (the message reads killed) LSB this very night
now you ask, wtf divine are you stupid why would you claim when he's probably gonna die anyways and you could keep tracking!
well let me tell you my unfortunate penalty
when we lynch a mafia, they get my fucking role that very night, because i was too unwary or whatever and revealed my identity when following them. Pretty harsh i know, but it seems reasonable given there's only 3 reds and we seemed to already have 2 fucking dts rofl. (well i guess pyrr was reasonably only gonna get 1 check in, maybe two, and lsb just turned dt or something?)
oh ill justify my tracking targets
ace: good player should be self explanatory
bum: bum is my brosif and id have loved if he flipped red and i could nail him, sadly he didnt
you might ask why not bm divine he was so obvious!!! well this is my first time playing a role like this, and i felt he was surely going to get himself fucking killed some how whether by lynch or vigi role (that and im partly beleived alot of his insanity because im an idiot), because we HAD to have a vigi, and surely enough we did
thx chaoser.
and citi.zen check? i dunno enough people were suspicious of him that i looked at him a little more and noticed he tended to show just too much information
hopefully this has helped enough to give you another confirmed townie, (who would doubt bum anyways right rofl)
a guarantee kill today brings us to
4v1 and then i die most likely so 3v1, YOU GOT THIS TOWN
also holy shit at the amount of blues this game, even though lsb was green for the most part
tl;dr citizen is mafia vote for him or im going to fucking hate you forever :/
thank god my net came back up it was down for nearly a god damn day
##vote citi.zen ----------------------------------------
On August 18 2010 15:24 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2010 14:12 bumatlarge wrote:
FUCK YEAH CHAOSER
ROFL WTF ok
##vote citizen
man i was so sure you were vet, but in the end i think that screwed with the reds since they didnt want to hit you, and you didnt stand against BM. regardless of what you should have done, I think we are grateful now. Scamp time to whip out the votes?
hopefully i just saved scamp one of his precious votes
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On August 19 2010 09:10 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2010 03:47 Bill Murray wrote:
Divinek didn't want to kill you. I picked night 1 to kill you. Divinek picked night 2. Scamp didn't care to pick night 3, but ended up picking. It was a pretty clean win.
I disagree on the setup being that negative for town. Having a dayvig can do wonders.
my initial reaction was not to kill him but the more i thought about it the more i realized how good of an idea it was. night 1 was perrrrrrfect
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On August 19 2010 09:13 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2010 07:26 citi.zen wrote:On August 19 2010 04:25 Ace wrote:
wait citizen was on every innocent lynch wagon?
Not only that, I initiated the youngminii and korynne (twice) wagons. Every assumption I worked from was wrong: Ace's plan didn't seem to do anything but possibly out blues, youngmiii and korynne were playing like I've never seen them play, BM made no sense "as usual" but more importantly he claimed vig and remained alive... Even on the last day, without Divinek's claim I would have voted for LSB as red, since he made the rather strange argument that I had "not attacked enough"... instead of the obvious "you saved BM on day 1" or what Ace just said about me being on every wrong wagon.
So yeah, I was wrong about everything at every point in the game.
lsb died in the night though
i didnt trust people not to swing on to me some how so i just thought i would blow off the doors by fingering you as mafia.
I initially wanted it to do it to bum for hilarity factor, but no one would believe that. Then i wanted to do it on chaoser but he confirmed himself at the start of the day
, saved my life!
Then i figured you fit so well as red why not convince everyone they were right, people looooooove being right
was good fun watching the town kill itself though. God the amount of times i chainsaw, well not even chainsaw as much as just deflecting the flames, defended bm this game was ridiculous, though i tried real hard to be indirect about it. Thank god no one points that kind of stuff out.
totally forgot we can edit now lol, bad habit
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On August 22 2010 09:13 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2010 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Basically, I was right to lynch Bill Murray for lying but no one gave a shit. Not lynching BM after Ace died is sort of inexcusable.
I wanted to lynch Ace because I found his plan to be very pro-mafia and not very pro-town. I still believe that to be the case. He believes the inverse and now thinks I suck. I do suck at playing when I'm not red. I still think Ace is good but I also still think his plan made town worse off.
it made blue sniping so easy, god damn
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